Current Events > The GOP seems quite united behind Donald J Trump, and at the same time the DNC..

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... is extremely divided and splintered, displaying consistent infighting. When their stakes should precisely be the much higher and urgent ones, since their sole political platform is ousting Donald Trump. Shouldn't the DNC be the more united one ? Why is that ?

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where's this extreme division

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They should have gone with Sanders

someone hasn't heard of republicans against trump

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TwoDoorPC posted...

someone hasn't heard of republicans against trump

"Yeah but those are RINOs!" Trumpers will say, I'm certain.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

The GOP is more united under Trump than Reagan, the Democratic Party is divided to the point Obama has voiced concerns over Biden (though Obama for sure prefers gaffe machine goof Biden over any functional Bernie or Socialist imbecile lol), and the Libertarian Party minority splits the non-ideological leftist default voter. WWE Hall of Famer Donald Trump will be re-reflected.

That's because a ton of people have left the party. Everyone who is supporting Trump is a RINO.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

the Libertarian Party minority splits the non-ideological leftist default voter.

Is this what libertarians actually believe?


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Biden has alienated far fewer Democratic voters than Clinton
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What is your source on this

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this has always been the case.

it's relatively easy to rally behind the idea that "change is bad, constant is good", which is the basic mentality of Conservatives/Republicans. they don't need to come up with any ideas -- they simply cling to the notion that "change is bad" and reject anything new/different.

compare that to Progressives/Liberals/Democrats who all agree that change is needed, but their problem is having the entire party agree on how it should change. coming up with not only an idea of how things should change, but how things should change in a way that makes the most people happy, is difficult.

tl;dr: conservative mindset is inherently lazy and doesn't require coming up with ideas so unifying behind the common notion that "change=bad" is easy

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Nice concern trolling, Chud.

Alpha218 posted...

What is your source on this

It's fake. There's a snopes article about it.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

it's relatively easy to rally behind the idea that "change is bad, constant is good", which is the basic mentality of Conservatives/Republicans. they don't need to come up with any ideas -- they simply cling to the notion that "change is bad" and reject anything new/different.

This isn't what animates conservatives. You don't think Donald Trump was a change?
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TC's never seen a Lincoln Project ad

Alpha218 posted...

What is your source on this

Just how it looks like from my humble observation from abroad, also the French press and media mentions this a lot.

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DarthWendy posted...

... is extremely divided and splintered, displaying consistent infighting. When their stakes should precisely be the much higher and urgent ones, since their sole political platform is ousting Donald Trump. Shouldn't the DNC be the more united one ? Why is that ?

uuhhhh. An actual Republican spoke at the DNC, former Ohio Gov Kazic. Nevada republicans are working actively to elect Biden. you also have groups like
the Lincoln project and the other group like them too,


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MachineJaipur posted...

TC's never seen a Lincoln Project ad

TC is an outspoken right winger who by her own admission looks up to legitimately fascist politicians.

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Antifar posted...

You don't think Donald Trump was a change?

not from a policy perspective, no. his whole platform was to "own the libs", "undo everything Obama did" and resist change as much as possible. the whole charade about building the wall and the travel bans had nothing to do with change, those were a dog whistle to those folks who want 1950s "leave it to beaver" America back

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Because the right are sheep. Being ignorant and gullible aren't things to be proud of.

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SocksForWokMAX2 posted...

They should have gone with Sanders

This

The only blue crowd would have fallen in line like the spineless lukewarm cowards they are.

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TC is equating not being in lockstep with extreme division

everyone who matters in the Democratic party is behind Biden. It's just many liberals are gonna hold him accountable to what they want to execute should he win. That's a good thing

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RoadsterUFO posted...

the Libertarian Party minority splits the non-ideological leftist default voter.

Lol.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Antifar posted...

You don't think Donald Trump was a change?

not from a policy perspective, no. his whole platform was to "own the libs", "undo everything Obama did" and resist change as much as possible. the whole charade about building the wall and the travel bans had nothing to do with change, those were a dog whistle to those folks who want 1950s "leave it to beaver" America back

I refuse to believe that The Beaver was racist. Ward? Sure, but not the Beaver.
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That's because the Democratic party is two parties right now. A center left party and a further left party. Problem is neither party alone would beat the republicans so they need to reluctantly work together to even have a chance.

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Oh shut up, nobody likes Trump

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TwoDoorPC posted...

someone hasn't heard of republicans against trump

someone has heard of plenty of things but someone only exists on this board to troll. Nothing someone ever says or does here is for any purpose that is not to annoy people, because someone has a terrible gimmick.

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Antifar posted...

Biden has alienated far fewer Democratic voters than Clinton

this is correct

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that said, the party that loses the general election always ends up fractured until some political heavyweight rallies them

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Trump crushed a critical demographic in 2016: the voters who disliked both Trump and Hillary favored a Trump vote by 5-3.

The current polling suggests a staggering lead by Biden in that demographic. Many of who are likely republicans.

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M_Live posted...

I still don't understand why the GOP decided to throw its full weight and support behind a complete fucking moron

he is the guy their voters picked in the primaries. the party fought against it initially, then they remembered that, integrity be damned, winning is the only thing that matters

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It is true the Libertarian Party in the US has a leftist (socialist) faction, but it's not large enough to get candidates through. They had Vermin Supreme as their candidate of choice this time. It's really not a relevant part of the (already very small) party in the US.

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ssjevot posted...

It is true the Libertarian Party in the US has a leftist (socialist) faction, but it's not large enough to get candidates through. They had Vermind Supreme as their candidate of choice this time. It's really not a relevant part of the (already very small) party in the US.

The "Libertarian" party in America is exclusively right-libertarian Ayn Rand Objectivism junk.

Left Libertarianism is a thing but not a party in America. There are several independent candidates that have left libertarian views but none on the federal level. Closest it gets is Sanders and Gabbard and Gabbard isn't running for reelection.

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MachineJaipur posted...

TC's never seen a Lincoln Project ad

Of course not, they dont play them in France.

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ssjevot posted...

It is true the Libertarian Party in the US has a leftist (socialist) faction, but it's not large enough to get candidates through. They had Vermind Supreme as their candidate of choice this time. It's really not a relevant part of the (already very small) party in the US.

i've been saying for years that greens and libertarians need to join forces

hell, roll a couple more third parties and they have 5% of the electorate

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The "Libertarian" party in America is exclusively right-libertarian Ayn Rand Objectivism junk.

Left Libertarianism is a thing but not a party in America. There are several independent candidates that have left libertarian views but none on the federal level. Closest it gets is Sanders and Gabbard and Gabbard isn't running for reelection.

https://mobile.twitter.com/libsoccaucuslp

It's a small part of the party. I wasn't just making stuff up. They had Vermin Supreme as their candidate of choice this election. That should tell you about how seriously to take them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Libertarian_Party_presidential_primaries

Vermin Supreme Endorsements
Organisations

• Libertarian Socialist Caucus of the Libertarian Party

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It's hard to get a bunch of educated people with critical thinking skills to conform.

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FarFromFields posted...

It's hard to get a bunch of educated people with critical thinking skills to conform.

china, japan, and south korea would like a word with you

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Alpha218 posted...

What is your source on this

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ssjevot posted...

https://mobile.twitter.com/libsoccaucuslp

It's a small part of the party. I wasn't just making stuff up. They had Vermin Supreme as their candidate of choice this election. That should tell you about how seriously to take them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Libertarian_Party_presidential_primaries

Vermin Supreme Endorsements
Organisations
* Libertarian Socialist Caucus of the Libertarian Party

Everyone knows about Vermin Supreme. He's the Lord Buckethead of America. It's not really a serious party. It has less support than the green party and regularly loses votes to write in invalid candidates like Mickey Mouse.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

The most vocal libertarians are too busy in meaningless utopian fantasies or meaningless debates over minuscule extremely hypothetical scenario arguments and calling everyone not libertarian enough with their purity dick measuring contest. It is a debate club with ballot access for vocal basement dwellers that have little to zero social skills.

i think a lot of politically active libertarians descend into idealistic hypothetical scenarios because libertarianism within a representative democratic context is a political tightrope

at fundamental odds with many, even most political demographics - government workers (civilian and educators of all levels, military, law enforcement), elderly, poor, disabled, crony corporations and banks, ngos all enjoying the fruits of policy at odds with libertarianism, be it by way of funding or regulatory capture that is in the interest of one segment or another

never mind the fact that the endgame of party politics is purity spiraling, so libertarians focused on the electoral process are utterly distracted from more practical, direct, and less governmental means of realizing their ideals (imo the blockchain camp has done more for libertarianism in the modern era than most anyone except giants of libertarian, chicagoan, austrian economic thought, never mind government institutions that perennially hurt their own credibility with their antics)

basically if libertarians (and greens for that matter) want to make change from within, they should do what the DSA and progressives on the left, and many paleos (and disgraced neos, unfortunately) on the right do and form formidable blocs within the major parties to push their agendas

/rant

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