Board 8 > King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) R1D45: General Tor vs Rob (High)

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Welcome to the King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) Simulated Character Battle Tournament!

The game is simple. The two* listed characters are placed in an (imaginary) location with a variety of (imaginary) environments, kind of like a picture in a child's schoolbook that describes different types of geological features. Within a ten mile radius, there is an (imaginary) urban downtown, exurbs, plains, snow-clad mountains at the edge, dry plains, etc. Fighters start wherever is most appropriate for them, but feel increasingly compelled to seek out their opponent and fight. Strong-willed fighters can try to hold out in their chosen environment for longer... eventually, all will succumb and actively search for the other to battle.

To participate, just vote in bold for whichever character you believe will win. Giving reasoning is optional, but please be polite and read what others have said and carefully make your decision. I'll ping the nominators (they can opt out) to give arguments if they wish.

Results/Discussion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78797189

TODAY'S PARTICIPANTS:
General Tor (Iji)

With a mechsuit and a supremely poorly-written wiki page, General Tor is a truly as man of mystery

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With a Universal Remote, Rob is hopefully a better character than Click supposedly is as a movie

@Shonen_Bat @rwlh

FIGHT

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Basically Tor in his mech has heavy firepower over a long range, and has no problem spotting and aiming from a distance where his mech looks no larger than a person. He has a harder time aiming in close range, but his attacks are widespread enough to be threatening anyway. Here's an idea of his firepower and the kind of distance he can cover:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=67eLpLhxEPg

How does the remote work? Does Rob need a line of sight on someone to use it on them?

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Okay so here's the deal with Rob. He's physically an ordinary junior high student (as ordinary as passes for this guy). The whole reason he's here is the Universal Remote.

The Remote appears as a normal remote control, with a variety of buttons. The buttons have different effects. Rob was able to:

• Freeze time for everyone and everything in a shopping mail except for himself and Gumball, his nemesis.
• Rewind time selectively for two people, reverting them from adults to babies in a matter of seconds.
• Fast forward selectively for Gumball, causing him to fly into another person.
• Reduce visibility to pitch black darkness.
• Open up portals to the Void, a static-y pocket dimension.
• Knock targets back with a burst of wind.
• Turn on slow motion, which effectively negates the force of attacks.
• Cause letterboxing to pop up/down and attack people (good luck arguing this lol).
• And the big one, which Rob never uses (but Gumball does): hitting the power button, which instantly causes the target to...well, power off. It's implied Rob dies when Gumball does this to him, though Gumball is able to bring him back with no harm done by pushing power again. I think NFUN banned this ability specifically.
• Plus a bunch of non-combat-oriented abilities like changing the aspect ratio, changing the language people speak in, turning off "parental filter," which causes people to speak their minds, messing with subtitles, and changing the background music.

Note that the Remote can be destroyed with enough force. It runs on batteries, and if they fall out, it will become non-functional.

The Remote appears in two episodes. Here's part of the first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGpzIBkrKDE

And here's the second, relevant stuff starts at 3:24:
https://youtu.be/C2i7gMh3BUs?t=204

I guess this comes down to just how creative Rob is with the remote and Tor's combat approach and scanning potential. If he stays at range or can catch him off guard with a sudden blast, he could end up destroying Rob or the remote outright and win easily. Alternatively Rob could potentially do some tricky shit with the remote like "Zooming" in to close distance, teleport and stuff.

Also since it is a guy driving the mech, Rob could potentially use the "Eject" button to forcibly eject the guy from his doom mecha if he can get the jump on him or be quicker on the draw assuming he thinks of that. Then it becomes how effective Tor is himself.

However given Rob was taken off guard by Gumball I'd give the edge to Tor currently to just nuke the kid quickly with lasers. Still waiting on arguments though.

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Shonen_Bat posted...

How does the remote work? Does Rob need a line of sight on someone to use it on them?

I think he needs line of sight. Most of the time he uses it on targets that are close to him, but he is still able to freeze everyone in the mall besides Gumball on two separate occasions. It's unclear how far the range is on the Remote too, as we only ever see him use it in the mall, but the character he buys the Remote from talks about how dangerous it is, so it might have a bigger range/destruction capability than we see. But that's admittedly conjecture.

I'd give Tor the credit to find his opponent first most of the time, since spotting and taking out enemies from long distance is pretty much the main thing his mech is designed for and from those clips it doesn't seem like Rob has a whole lot of range with the remote. Don't feel comfortable making a call without knowing what he might do before he knows where his opponent is though.

The normal aliens in Iji that don't have big ol' mechs still have pretty respectable firepower, and Tor at least has the same kind of weapon as them, out of his mech I'd have him as a lower mid tier. If it got to the point where he got ejected out of the mech it would just come down to who is quicker on the draw, which... kind of favoring the war general there

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Tor

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Quickly looking at that Tor video: How likely is he to lead with the big sweeping distance attacks? He also has distance attacks that move more slowly. Is he the type to just blow everything up, or would he take a more methodical approach? The combatants don't start next to each other, and Tor isn't very conspicuous in a giant mech. It's important to establish Tor's likely plan of attack, because if Rob notices him, or can hide from a stray blast, he can get creative with the remote by selectively rewinding the blast (this might damage the mech, as shown in the gameplay video), or freezing time until he can reach Tor and then either sending him into the Void or rewinding him out of existence.

If Tor just decides to nuke everything out of the gate, Rob doesn't really have a defense for that. But even if Tor does go in guns blazing, Rob is going to notice the destruction and will likely take action.

Summing up that mess of a post:

• If Tor starts out nuking everything, Rob is likely to notice the destruction, then freeze time until he can figure out where the attacks are coming from, then deal with Tor.
• If Tor starts out more cautiously - which would be difficult to do in a big mech - and attacks from a distance, then Rob will have a limited time to attack him, which might not be enough, given that his reaction times are basically normal person level.
• If Tor starts out more cautiously and opts for close range fighting, it seems like his attacks are easier to deal with in terms of freezing, reversing, slowing down, etc

Tor is more pragmatic than anything in most fights, the time he's fought ingame is an exception because he's reluctant to destroy humanity and wants to give them a chance to fight back. Against a small target he'd either lead off with a sweeping attack to make sure he hits them, or the phantom hammer, a space-to-ground laser that he's a crack shot with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9MzRSB5Fo

He's shown in the game to not like the unnecessary destruction that his army always causes, so he probably wouldn't go for the "burn it all down" option unless he had to.

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Thanks for the info.

So assuming the fight leads them both to the city (which is where I imagine most of these fights taking place), Rob is likely to be somewhat stealthy - he typically operates and hatches his plans from the shadows and observes targets before taking action. Like I said though, he's not especially fast, so if Tor opens with a big attack like at the beginning of the first video Shonen_Bat posted (which I think is what they're arguing), and if he has enough range to basically take out the whole city at once, then Rob won't be able to react fast enough.

But if Rob notices him first, either through loud mech noises or destruction from a distance, then Rob can freeze, rewind, slow down, open a portal to the Void, etc. I will say the phantom hammer seems a bit slow to start up, and if he does it in range of Rob, then Rob could likely use the Remote to counter it.

I'm still on the fence because it seems like there are a number of ways this can play out. Would be interested to hear analysis from other people.

Rob

It doesn't matter how many guns you have on your big-ass anime mech if your opponent can just press the pause button and win. 50 foot tall robots are not exactly stealthy

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Tor. Sniping from a ways off seems like it would do it, that's kind of Tor's thing

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I think I'll go with Rob. In the scenarios I've outlined, I see Rob winning more of them than losing. Tor could still win, but I think Rob has a better shot.

Rob is just a normal school kid with no real fighting experience and I think saying he'd be able effectively use the remote at the range Tor can fight from is giving him too much credit. If we say he's able to spot Tor's opening attack coming at him he still only has a second or two at most to do something about it and I don't see him having that kind of reaction time when Gumball is able to get the jump on him.

Tor shot first.

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Rob I think wins this like 60/40 at least

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Tiebreaking Tor

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Leaning Tor. As said Rob's reaction speed isn't that great it seems and the range of effect of certain remote actions as well as his approach might mess things up with him. Either he gets nuked at long range by Tor as I assume he has scanning capabilities given his tech or it comes down to the draw. Tor would get it off first and while Rob thinks he's got it he proceeds to get wrecked by off screen orbital lasers that he wasn't prepared for ruining his day.

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