Board 8 > Sad to see tik tok going away

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Leafeon13N posted...

And no, I don't support this action because the government reasoning is not just.

But to pretend China having more information on US citizens is not something unusually dangerous or sinister is also naive.

I think our government should protect our information from all entities.

Is China having our info good? Absolutely not.

But in the long run its completely meaningless if we dont pass legislation to protect us from other non-governmental groups as well.

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Leafeon13N posted...

We automatically collect certain information from you when you use the Platform, including internet or other network activity information such as your IP address, geolocation-related data (as described below), unique device identifiers, browsing and search history (including content you have viewed in the Platform), ...

It goes on but I'm too lazy to click the link.

This is every app, and you didn't answer my second question

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iiaattgg posted...

I dont think anyone is saying otherwise dude lol. And the example i provided was just one of many that could be negatives on you. You seem to equate "other companies do it and they are worse" as "tiktok is harmless" when what people are trying to say is its not harmless.

Nah, my position is that banning TikTok merely sets a bad precedent of executive overreach and doesnt actually protect us at all.

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Also i think people don't realize the extent that we are quite literally in an essential cold war with China and Russia. And that war is primarily being fought over the internet.

The information they collect, which is basically full blanket access to your internet usage can easily be utilized to allocate what is a very vast interference and propoganda campaign on social media.

The more info they have, the better they can understand how to influence American's and basically sow more seeds of chaos.

Maybe I'm desensitized to privacy concerns because I work in internet advertising, but I'm a little skeptical of TikTok's danger to national security.

It made sense when something similar happened to Grindr last year, but I don't think TikTok poses the same inherent risk.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

But in the long run its completely meaningless if we dont pass legislation to protect us from other non-governmental groups as well.

Sure, they should.

Now walk back the idea that somehow China isnt more dangerous than the United States.

VintageGin posted...

Maybe I'm desensitized to privacy concerns because I work in internet advertising, but I'm a little skeptical of TikTok's danger to national security.

It made sense when something similar happened to Grindr last year, but I don't think TikTok poses the same inherent risk.

You definitely seem desensitized. There is a huge (mis) information campaign being waged daily. It's very effective. It is part of the reason our covid response is so bad.

Another aspect of the information war is the ability to keep up with trends to be able to fake being American.

Its not just about you, but them bring able to fake being like you.

Leafeon13N posted...

You definitely seem desensitized. There is a huge (mis) information campaign being waged daily. It's very effective. It is part of the reason our covid response is so bad.

There's also a lot of misinformation and misunderstandings on how targeted advertising works. I don't doubt that other countries are trying to influence things, but I think the scale is a little overrated. I also don't think the sort of user profile TikTok is able to build would be even remotely comparable to something that Facebook or Google could do.

Honestly it mostly seems like a convenient scapegoat for the US government.

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you guys are weird

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Leafeon13N posted...

Sure, they should.

Now walk back the idea that somehow China isnt more dangerous than the United States.

What a bizarre thing to demand. How is China more dangerous to me?

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VintageGin posted...

There's also a lot of misinformation and misunderstandings on how targeted advertising works. I

They aren't really after targeted advertising.

I'm sure they involved in that a bit.

I think you are projecting your own field into this when that isn't necessarily what China would be after here. Their campaign has evolved way beyond targetted advertising.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

What a bizarre thing to demand. How is China more dangerous to me?

Trump is literally President right now.

Leafeon13N posted...

Trump is literally President right now.

Yes.

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Leafeon13N posted...

They aren't really after targeted advertising.

I'm sure they involved in that a bit.

I think you are projecting your own field into this when that isn't necessarily what China would be after here. Their campaign has evolved way beyond targetted advertising.

What precisely do you think they are doing then? You haven't given me a straight answer here.

Like, you seem very convinced they are doing something but unable to articulate what that is. Perhaps you've been the victim of government propaganda/disinformation from the US?

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VintageGin posted...

What precisely do you think they are doing then? You haven't given me a straight answer here.

Like, you seem very convinced they are doing something but unable to articulate what that is. Perhaps you've been the victim of government propaganda/disinformation from the US?

I have expanded on this in multiple posts now.

Leafeon13N posted...

I have expanded on this in multiple posts now.

You've posted vague conjecture about an information war.

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They took our jerbs I mean datas.
I for one am glad theyve been stopped in their reign of terror.
Do we protect the people of Zhejiang? Should we help the citizens of Taiwan or Hong Kong on their quest for independence? Should we look into the legal system and treatment of imprisoned foreigners in China?
No, no lets ban tiktok
Thats definitely the biggest issue and the one we should address first.
Fight the power.


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On a more serious note I am yet to hear any American actually be able to explain what is happening with the reported Chinese genocide. I hear people mention the Uyghurs, but when asked for more info all I get is repetition and Wikipedia stories.

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Nothings gonna happen though right?

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Data can be misused.

I can agree with that.

Foreign powers having access to more data is bad for us.

I can agree with that.

What I haven't seen happen yet is for someone to draw the line between tiktok and either of those other statements. Do I want the chinese government to have a larger pool of data with which to formulate their own plans and agendas? Of course not. But I don't feel like it's been sufficiently proven that the chinese government has access to all of tiktok's data.

Clash of Kings is a mobile game owned by a chinese company. Are we banning access to that as well? If the fact that a chinese company owns tiktok is enough to consider it a risk then why not every other app owned by a chinese company.

And unless the chinese government doesn't have access to the public facing internet then they can scrape all the same information from our own social media programs regardless.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Clash of Kings is a mobile game owned by a chinese company. Are we banning access to that as well?

The real answer is we need to ban their data collection, not outright ban the company.

This is something we can do instead of ban them, but of course, data collection isn't the reason for this ban in the first place so it won't happen.

They need/want our money, they would absolutely comply with data collection rules. But if we aren't willing to do that I have no doubt China will take whatever they can get.

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VintageGin posted...

You've posted vague conjecture about an information war.

What would you like more information on?

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red13n posted...

, data collection isn't the reason for this ban in the first place so it won't happen.

And that's my point. This is vindictive response that doesn't sufficiently prove that it's actually solving a problem and it doesn't offer a solution to the larger problems that it purports to be related to.

What we need is legislature about data collecting/selling and some level of transparency or oversight that could be set in place.

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IIRC, TikTok can arbitrarily download and execute files, which is legitimately extremely concerning. Too lazy to find a source, so grain of salt

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Vine was better

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glad its gone. Wouldnt mind Google/Youtube, Facebook/Instagram, Twitter, etc all leaving as well.


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okay boomer

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StealThisSheen posted...

okay boomer

I feel like this phrase is so old that only boomers would say it at this point.

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okay non-boomer

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The ban isn't legal or enforceable in any real way. But since a social network's strength depends on its size, the plain fact that the president is against could reduce its strength massively by making it less attractive.

The only real reason I can think of for the ban is to protect US data collection companies (Facebook).

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Well if Tiktok really does store data on US servers than the US can still get at the data. So if people stop using Tiktok it would shut down one avenue of data collection. But other sources would likely pick up most of the slack.
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foolm0r0n posted...

The only real reason I can think of for the ban is to protect US data collection companies (Facebook).

It's because TikTok users made him look dumb at his rally.

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5tarscream posted...

On a more serious note I am yet to hear any American actually be able to explain what is happening with the reported Chinese genocide. I hear people mention the Uyghurs, but when asked for more info all I get is repetition and Wikipedia stories.

https://believermag.com/weather-reports-voices-from-xinjiang/

This is a very long article, but it's made up of many individual stories, so it's not necessary to read the whole thing.

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Geez it sounds like something out of a movie or game. Can't say I'm too surprised to find out about it from the Chinese government though.

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https://youtu.be/Ha54-8uQBCs

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5tarscream posted...

On a more serious note I am yet to hear any American actually be able to explain what is happening with the reported Chinese genocide. I hear people mention the Uyghurs, but when asked for more info all I get is repetition and Wikipedia stories.

https://youtu.be/17oCQakzIl8

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https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993

here's a nice thread that I expect every one of you to dismiss out of hand

basically Islam is accepted and encouraged in China, but there radical terrorist cells among the Ugyhurs. But I guess sending terrorists to vocational schools to be educated is way worse than sending them to be tortured at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo

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DeepsPraw posted...

here's a nice thread that I expect every one of you to dismiss out of hand

Probably because its literally not true.

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I am absolutely going to dismiss a 2 year old twitter thread from a no name, 29k follower, self avowed marxist with a clear agenda that supports a regime whose calling card is misinformation and propaganda. Stunned you even thought it was a good idea to post LOL

I am also going to dismiss you from here on out. Thanks for coming to the topic man. Hope you have a good sunday!

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DeepsPraw posted...

https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1004884261051092993

here's a nice thread that I expect every one of you to dismiss out of hand

basically Islam is accepted and encouraged in China, but there radical terrorist cells among the Ugyhurs. But I guess sending terrorists to vocational schools to be educated is way worse than sending them to be tortured at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo

shut up guiga

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TheRock1525 posted...

Probably because its literally not true.

That was my favorite part.

The sun didnt come up today, i expect you idiots to dismiss that out hand

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Aecioo posted...

shut up guiga

Oh

OH

Now i feel like the idiot for responding seriously LOL

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I tend to ignore the "guiga" insults, but I'll say right now I have no idea who that is. That's before my time

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DeepsPraw posted...

I tend to ignore the "guiga" insults, but I'll say right now I have no idea who that is. That's before my time

yeah like a month before your time when he 'left' the board right before you 'found' the board and somehow you both post the same nonsense

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UltimaterializerX posted...

TheRock is on that same level. Dude literally defended people attracted to 14 year olds as normal and the Discord doesn't even bat an eye. I had never once seen the words "Ephebophilia" or "Hebephilia" before that guy used them.

I wish I could even be surprised that a section of Board 8 is more upset about the president banning Tiktok than actual human trafficking, but those people don't surprise me anymore.

What was the context?

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UltimaterializerX posted...

TheRock is on that same level. Dude literally defended people attracted to 14 year olds as normal and the Discord doesn't even bat an eye. I had never once seen the words "Ephebophilia" or "Hebephilia" before that guy used them.

I wish I could even be surprised that a section of Board 8 is more upset about the president banning Tiktok than actual human trafficking, but those people don't surprise me anymore.

This is the first i am hearing of this and would like rock to have the chance to explain. I have always liked the dude and have rooted for him despite the times we have strongly disagreed on things

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Well, first of all, I stand by the idea that if it is legal it is legal. I also believe we shouldn't treat people as criminals who did nothing illegal.

That said, you can disagree with laws and hope they would change to further reinforce your beliefs. You shouldn't be deciding your beliefs are law though and acting as such. There are times where I disagree with the way the law is also, but I respect the laws as they are.

That said.

I believe finding a beautiful person beautiful or a cute person cute or whatever is natural. It is how you think about the person that can be weird. You shouldn't be viewing under age people as someone you sexually or romantically want to have an encounter / relationship with or such. That is where it becomes wrong, and I would say is definitely NOT normal.

You can think they are pretty or what not. That's normal. They aren't some voidless entity until of legal age.

So, if TheRock means you can be attracted to someone of a younger than legal age and says it is natural, it could be theoretically not weird depending on how he meant it I guess. Attraction could mean find someone good looking or such. Elsewise it could mean a person in which you want to pursue a sexual or romantic relationship with. The latter is a bit worrisome.

So, I won't condemn him without context provided.

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