Board 8 > Sad to see tik tok going away

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Thought it was pretty funny sometimes. But Trump has decided it that it will be no more for us americans

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There is no fucking reason another app can't do the same thing easily
Either a Google app or Facebook app or something

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https://www.tiktok.com/@connsully/video/6832782405745528070

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Is Trump still mad about the got a rally wrecked by kpop fans thing
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Right, but Tiktok is literally a Chinese spy app.

I thought it wasn't owned by the chinese government and user data isn't even kept on chinese servers? I don't see how user data from tiktok is any more of a risk than user data from facebook and twitter.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I thought it wasn't owned by the chinese government and user data isn't even kept on chinese servers? I don't see how user data from tiktok is any more of a risk than user data from facebook and twitter.

well, there's a certain (unnamed) country which, for example has tried to have encryption outlawed as munitions about 25 years ago, has been silently and unaccountably been ordering websites to turn over user data and has also cracked made substantial inroads into undermining HTTPS, the fundamental security bedrock of the internet.

This country does not own the companies it has obtained data on and in fact data centers outside of the country's boarders (but still owned by a business primarily operating out of the country) have even more widespread permission to carte blanche steal this data.

Executive order to ban phone app.

Says executive order for masks wouldn't be fair.

Truly the greatest leader ever.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Is Trump still mad about the got a rally wrecked by kpop fans thing

yep

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I mean, we literally watched his soul get crushed in real time with that rally.

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Supposedly Microsoft is taking it now somehow despite Trump saying no to it.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I thought it wasn't owned by the chinese government and user data isn't even kept on chinese servers? I don't see how user data from tiktok is any more of a risk than user data from facebook and twitter.

They say it is secure from the Chinese but it is in doubt. Biden's campaign also ordered it deleted from their staffers.

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I dont really have a stake in this either way, but I dont totally get the concern.
Lets say the Chinese government really is getting the data from TikTok... what could the practical consequence of that be? What are they going to do with a random American teens contacts or whatever?
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Lets say the Chinese government really is getting the data from TikTok... what could the practical consequence of that be? What are they going to do with a random American teens contacts or whatever?

All sorts of crazy shit, tbh.

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muh cancel culture BabyRage

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no it isnt

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I'm very likely and admittedly naive here, but whether it's China or American corporations who own our government anyway, what difference does it make which overreaching regime spies on buffoons making videos of themselves dancing to kpop? Somehow it's worse if it's China and not Facebook? Again, I'm completely oblivious to the substantial difference in importance and would like someone to help me understand.

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PrinceReva posted...

I'm very likely and admittedly naive here, but whether it's China or American corporations who own our government anyway, what difference does it make which overreaching regime spies on buffoons making videos of themselves dancing to kpop? Somehow it's worse if it's China and not Facebook? Again, I'm completely oblivious to the substantial difference in importance and would like someone to help me understand.

I mean Facebook's already admittedly incited a genocide

but hey good timing they're releasing their Tiktok competitor in a matter of days

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RIP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6XpLQM2Cs
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Its absurd and theres no way he can legally do this.

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On a micro level, sure there might not be much difference for the average user between Facebook or China having your personal info, however on a macro level, China having access to tons of personal information is worse. They are more powerful, less responsive to external factors, and are more committed to anti-democratic expansion.

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I trust the Chinese government way more than the US

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DeepsPraw posted...

I trust the Chinese government way more than the US

Sure you do, sure you do.

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Yeah I don't blindly believe everything the CIA and media propaganda says

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red13n posted...

All sorts of crazy shit, tbh.

Such as?

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red13n posted...

Sure you do, sure you do.

As an American citizen living in the US, there is literally no reason to trust either countrys government more.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

As an American citizen living in the US, there is literally no reason to trust either countrys government more.

No still going to trust the U.S. a bit more because China is pulling a holocaust while the US is only doing 'on the road' type things.

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I don't trust any country's government.

You shouldn't be putting info on ANY social media platforms that you don't want various government people to potentially see because internet security is laughable.

this whole thing is just Trump trying to pander to his racist paranoid base, nothing more

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In the US at least the opposition to fascism is allowed to run for office.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

No still going to trust the U.S. a bit more because China is pulling a holocaust while the US is only doing 'on the road' type things.

The key elements are living in America.

The Chinese government cant do shit to you the US government isnt doing every day.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The key elements are living in America.

The Chinese government cant do shit to you the US government isnt doing every day.

Its still has long reaching potential

Chinas continuining to expand in its investments, and with how trash our covid response is our economy and business are pretty ripe for their money to grab some power. This isnt a major concern right now, but one example of how it can affect you down the road is chinese owned/influenced corporations not allowing you to work for them, all because you said free hong kong on facebook 15 years ago and you left yourself open with a silly tik tok app.

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PrinceReva posted...

I'm very likely and admittedly naive here, but whether it's China or American corporations who own our government anyway, what difference does it make which overreaching regime spies on buffoons making videos of themselves dancing to kpop? Somehow it's worse if it's China and not Facebook? Again, I'm completely oblivious to the substantial difference in importance and would like someone to help me understand.

Even if this is true (or even if it's not true but you believe this - not really interested in debating that since it's not relevant), do you not see why the government would want to try maintain an advantage on data collection where possible?

Think of it more "The US government wants to be the only group with this data to do as they please with" than "The US Government is trying to protect its citizens by keeping their data out of China's hands"

I'd definitely prefer living in the United States than China but that isn't to say the US isn't total balls. But honestly **** China and TikTok.

I'd prefer the Chinese government has my info because that makes Trump mad.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

China is pulling a holocaust

they're literally not.

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Letting a totalitarian regime that outlaws homosexuality have a file on you to own the Pubs

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Letting a totalitarian regime that outlaws homosexuality have a file on you to own the Pubs

Oh no, a file oh shit oh god oh fuck

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Oh no, a file oh shit oh god oh fuck

This idiot serious?

Tony is a prime example of why a hostile foreign government tracking your online information is dangerous.

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DeepsPraw posted...

they're literally not.

They are.

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red13n posted...

Tony is a prime example of why a hostile foreign government tracking your online information is dangerous.

The data they collect wont let you work at one of their publicly owned corporations

Is that really all the justification the American government needs to shut down businesses now?

American businesses buy and sell our data, including our medical information, literally every single day, and the government isnt doing shit about it.

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Like dont take this as a defense of China, but if youre living in the United States, the US government and info being harvested by private companies has far more impact on your life than your profile and likes on TikTok, these are just facts.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Like dont take this as a defense of China, but if youre living in the United States, the US government and info being harvested by private companies has far more impact on your life than your profile and likes on TikTok, these are just facts.

Sure, but only one of those allows a foreign entity to interfere with elections in the United States.

red13n posted...

Tony is a prime example of why a hostile foreign government tracking your online information is dangerous.

What information do you believe they're gathering, and how do you believe they are able to use that to nefarious ends?

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And no, I don't support this action because the government reasoning is not just.

But to pretend China having more information on US citizens is not something unusually dangerous or sinister is also naive.

Leafeon13N posted...

Sure, but only one of those allows a foreign entity to interfere with elections in the United States.

Did you pick the most ironic response intentionally or by chance?

Private companies (and politically entities who sponsor people IN our government) literally spend billions to interfere with our elections.

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China is literally becoming a full realization of the Orwellian nightmare. If you see that happening and your first instinct is what-aboutism talking about how shitty America is (which it is, granted, in it's own very different ways) then you need to assess your priorities.

Of course none of this actually has anything to do with this ban; Trump's probably just salty about his rallies being killed.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Like dont take this as a defense of China, but if youre living in the United States, the US government and info being harvested by private companies has far more impact on your life than your profile and likes on TikTok, these are just facts.

I dont think anyone is saying otherwise dude lol. And the example i provided was just one of many that could be negatives on you. You seem to equate "other companies do it and they are worse" as "tiktok is harmless" when what people are trying to say is its not harmless.

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VintageGin posted...

What information do you believe they're gathering, and how do you believe they are able to use that to nefarious ends?

We automatically collect certain information from you when you use the Platform, including internet or other network activity information such as your IP address, geolocation-related data (as described below), unique device identifiers, browsing and search history (including content you have viewed in the Platform), ...

It goes on but I'm too lazy to click the link.