Current Events > Think Persona 6 will stop the trend of mocking gay people?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Eliza3 posted...

Lmao dear lord. I am part of the LGBT community and have always criticized it. Stop shilling for shitty aspects of a culture just because its Japanese.

Im not criticizing it because its Japanese. Im criticizing it because its homophobic. Is this the argument youre gonna stick with?

Your concept of what is or isn't acceptable is based on Western culture. You ignore Japanese opinions, Japanese LGBT issues, everything is seen through and evaluated based on Western ideas. That's the issue. You could learn about LGBT issues and Japan and address them or you could simply say they must conform to Western standards because those are the right ones, ignoring that those same standards perpetuated decades of LGBT erasure.

AlisLandale posted...

are you aware that the Americans censoring anything LGBT are not the same people as the people complaining that they dont properly represent LGBT in Japanese media?

Like, you HAVE to know that nobody in this topic was on the localization team that turned Sailor Uranus and Neptune into cousins.

you HAVE to know that the people complaining now were also complaining back then. >_>

That's the point. Everything is evaluated in a vacuum based on current Western standards. No one cares about what is or isn't acceptable in Japan. That's why this 180 occurred, because there was never a time when anyone actually cared about LGBT characters or representation in Japan. They only ever cared about how the West would perceive it. It's a very shortsighted and culture specific outlook. Rather than evaluating how Japanese represent LGBT, the issues with that, the issues the Japanese LGBT community faces or anything approaching nuance, it's just here is my current Western opinion and they should conform to it.

---

So youre just pulling the cultural relativism nonsense. Does that mean everything is off the table for criticism unless we use Japanese standards? How about work culture? Womens rights? Child sex abuse?

---

ColdOne666 posted...

Probably when you stop the trend of making aweful topics.

Lmao

Honestly for a bunch of "outsiders" they sure are attractive looking people... kind of reminds me of Glee when they were at first a bunch of dorky looking outsiders and several seasons later majority of the cast were just filled with hunks and photogenic girls.

But yeah, the beach scene in Persona 5 was really stupid. I mean I always ask this but why were gays back then viewed as people who sexually molest others?

---

Furthermore, representations like these are harmful to the queer community in Japan. It doesnt matter if the Japanese public at large doesnt care. Thats how support for minority groups works.

---

Why do games need sex scenes?

Weebs, i tell ya

---

SocksForWokMAX2 posted...

Lmao

Post on your main.

USER INFO: COLDONE666
Warned

Oh wait. You cant. Lol

---

Eliza3 posted...

So youre just pulling the cultural relativism nonsense. Does that mean everything is off the table for criticism unless we use Japanese standards? How about work culture? Womens rights? Child sex abuse?

No. I am saying there is more to it than just culture A correct, culture B wrong. I already said you can criticize cultures. It's just not black and white like you think it is. Not making any effort to understand a culture or to evaluate how your cultural bias influences that is literally why the US went from remove all depiction of LGBT to depict LGBT the proper Western way. It's a lack of attempting to understand other cultures that's the issue. It's the same thing when people in the US lose it about eating dogs or whales and never question eating pigs or cows, two animals that more people than live in the entire US find it offensive to eat. It's the lack of attempting to understand the culture or your own culture before criticism that is the issue. This is why people in the West talk endlessly about censorship of sexual content in games in Japan and never mention that games, even ones made in Japan have violence censored for Japanese release. In America extreme violence may be fine and explicit sex is bad, but in Japan it's the opposite.

I used to be extremely pro-Western culture when I lived in the US and was just involved in the Western culture ideas of what was right or wrong. But a lot of issues are more nuanced than that. Japan doesn't have the history of LGBT religious repression the US does and as a result the community has evolved differently here and faces different challenges. You can't just put your assumptions of what it is based on the US into Japan.

The US also sends mixed messages when you have a bigoted moron like Trump representing the country while your media tries to push stronger representation standards whatever those happen to be at any given time. You expect Japanese game developers to understand all this nuance about your culture while affording them none.

---

Will someone cite a specific example or quote of why they think P4 is homophobic? Do NOT just say blanket shit like "Yosuke makes homophobic remarks," I want an exact quote or a screenshot.

I just played through the game again on Steam and didn't skip any dialogue. I saw zero homophobic remarks.

The only things I saw that could be misconstrued as homophobic are when Yosuke is a little scared to sleep in the same tent as Kanji, and when they rode the same bike back from Okina. Both of these can easily be explained away as the party only having JUST met and saved Kanji, so they just don't know him that well. If you just became friends with someone who you thought was a violent thug, wouldn't you be a little apprehensive around them at first? By the end, they get along fine.

Yosuke occasionally teases him too, like when Teddie grows a body and Yosuke winks and asks Kanji what he thinks. Is that REALLY homophobic, or just friendly teasing? If Teddie was a girl and Yosuke asked Kanji what he thought, is that "hetero"phobic? For fucks sake.

---

Eliza3 posted...

Furthermore, representations like these are harmful to the queer community in Japan. It doesnt matter if the Japanese public at large doesnt care. Thats how support for minority groups works.

See my earlier post. You don't know what issues do or don't affect the LGBT community in Japan and don't want to do the research. You only care about the West. You can imagine all these religious bigots waiting to attack anyone they perceive as gay, but we don't have that here. I am sorry your superior culture failed to export it successfully back when it was in vogue.

---

ssjevot posted...

No. I am saying there is more to it than just culture A correct, culture B wrong. I already said you can criticize cultures. It's just not black and white like you think it is. Not making any effort to understand a culture or to evaluate how your cultural bias influences that is literally why the US went from remove all depiction of LGBT to depict LGBT the proper Western way. It's a lack of attempting to understand other cultures that's the issue. It's the same thing when people in the US lose it about eating dogs or whales and never question eating pigs or cows, two animals that more people than live in the entire US find it offensive to eat. It's the lack of attempting to understand the culture or your own culture before criticism that is the issue. This is why people in the West talk endlessly about censorship of sexual content in games in Japan and never mention that games, even ones made in Japan have violence censored for Japanese release. In America extreme violence may be fine and explicit sex is bad, but in Japan it's the opposite.

I used to be extremely pro-Western culture when I lived in the US and was just involved in the Western culture ideas of what was right or wrong. But a lot of issues are more nuanced than that. Japan doesn't have the history of LGBT religious repression the US does and as a result the community has evolved differently here and faces different challenges. You can't just put your assumptions of what it is based on the US into Japan.

The US also sends mixed messages when you have a bigoted moron like Trump representing the country while your media tries to push stronger representation standards whatever those happen to be at any given time. You expect Japanese game developers to understand all this nuance about your culture while affording them none.

All of your posts ITT have been projecting your own past views onto me and other users. I dont think western culture is the best. I DO think not mocking LGBT people is better for everyone though. There are aspects of cultures that are less harmful than their counterparts.

Also, address the questions I asked:

ssjevot posted...

How about work culture? Womens rights? Child sex abuse?

Can we criticize these problems about East Asian countries? I live in Korea btw, so I hear all about these issues.

---

ssjevot posted...

See my earlier post. You don't know what issues do or don't affect the LGBT community in Japan and don't want to do the research. You only care about the West. You can imagine all these religious bigots waiting to attack anyone they perceive as gay, but we don't have that here. I am sorry your superior culture failed to export it successfully back when it was in vogue.

Lol dude. Just stop.

---

Correct me if Im wrong but in a culture where yaoi and yuri are fairly common and generally accepted, Personas portrayal of gay people is actually just bad even by Japanese standards.

---

Eliza3 posted...

All of your posts ITT have been projecting your own past views onto me and other users. I dont think western culture is the best. I DO think not mocking LGBT people is better for everyone though. There are aspects of cultures that are less harmful than their counterparts.

Also, address the questions I asked:

Can we criticize these problems about East Asian countries? I live in Korea btw, so I hear all about these issues.

You live in a country that successfully got some of those LGBT hating ideas imported from America so you should understand this better than most. You can criticize all problems. I keep saying that and you keep trying to make it black and white. Saying you should try to understand a problem or even if something is a problem first is not saying you can't criticize it.

Let me make this as simple as possible:
Your entire premise is that Japanese developers need to understand and conform to Western sensibilities on LGBT characters. Yet you yourself do not see a need to understand Japanese culture or the Japanese LGBT community.

Can you understand where the issue is? It's not that you can't criticize, it's that you don't want to understand what it is you are criticizing. You expect them to navigate the confusing mess of Western culture to suit your tastes, but you see no need to do that to Japan. Again either blame to localizers or do the research to understand what is or isn't problematic in Japan.

---

StarSpangled posted...

Correct me if Im wrong but in a culture where yaoi and yuri are fairly common and generally accepted, Personas portrayal of gay people is actually just bad even by Japanese standards.

There's entire sections of most bookstores devoted to BL (yaoi). It is primarily targeted at women. Think the way Western lesbian porn is targeted at men. The stuff actually meant for gay or LGBT people is usually in another section.

Cultures can vary quite a bit. This is one of those cases.

---

ssjevot posted...

Your concept of what is or isn't acceptable is based on Western culture. You ignore Japanese opinions, Japanese LGBT issues, everything is seen through and evaluated based on Western ideas. That's the issue. You could learn about LGBT issues and Japan and address them or you could simply say they must conform to Western standards because those are the right ones, ignoring that those same standards perpetuated decades of LGBT erasure.

That's the point. Everything is evaluated in a vacuum based on current Western standards. No one cares about what is or isn't acceptable in Japan. That's why this 180 occurred, because there was never a time when anyone actually cared about LGBT characters or representation in Japan. They only ever cared about how the West would perceive it. It's a very shortsighted and culture specific outlook. Rather than evaluating how Japanese represent LGBT, the issues with that, the issues the Japanese LGBT community faces or anything approaching nuance, it's just here is my current Western opinion and they should conform to it.

Are you going to cite examples of the critiques/commentary of the native market, or are you going to just continue to repeat the orientation speech my Anthropology 101 teacher gave us? >_>

---

Kyle1022 posted...

Will someone cite a specific example or quote of why they think P4 is homophobic? Do NOT just say blanket shit like "Yosuke makes homophobic remarks," I want an exact quote or a screenshot.

I just played through the game again on Steam and didn't skip any dialogue. I saw zero homophobic remarks.

The only things I saw that could be misconstrued as homophobic are when Yosuke is a little scared to sleep in the same tent as Kanji, and when they rode the same bike back from Okina. Both of these can easily be explained away as the party only having JUST met and saved Kanji, so they just don't know him that well. If you just became friends with someone who you thought was a violent thug, wouldn't you be a little apprehensive around them at first? By the end, they get along fine.

Yosuke occasionally teases him too, like when Teddie grows a body and Yosuke winks and asks Kanji what he thinks. Is that REALLY homophobic, or just friendly teasing? If Teddie was a girl and Yosuke asked Kanji what he thought, is that "hetero"phobic? For fucks sake.

I dont remember exact quotes, but Yosuke acts as if hes uncomfortable over and over again about Kanji, and its clearly because he is possibly gay. Its not subtle and they bring it up repeatedly.

It wouldve been way less of an issue if they gave the MC the option to rebuke him or stand up for Kanji, or if literally any of the party took a strong opposite stance from Yosuke about it. But they all just go along with it and act uncomfortable.

My biggest critiques are reserved for the inclusion of those gay characters in P3 and P5 for the sole purpose of being the joke though. P4 is a bit more gray.

---

ssjevot posted...

You live in a country that successfully got some of those LGBT hating ideas imported from America so you should understand this better than most. You can criticize all problems. I keep saying that and you keep trying to make it black and white. Saying you should try to understand a problem or even if something is a problem first is not saying you can't criticize it.

Let me make this as simple as possible:
Your entire premise is that Japanese developers need to understand and conform to Western sensibilities on LGBT characters. Yet you yourself do not see a need to understand Japanese culture or the Japanese LGBT community.

Can you understand where the issue is? It's not that you can't criticize, it's that you don't want to understand what it is you are criticizing. You expect them to navigate the confusing mess of Western culture to suit your tastes, but you see no need to do that to Japan. Again either blame to localizers or do the research to understand what is or isn't problematic in Japan.

Answer my questions or stop responding.
Can we criticize East Asian countries about these:

Eliza3 posted...

How about work culture? Womens rights? Child sex abuse?

---

Yosuke is like he was written in a parallel universe where most people are gay, and every tv show and video game needed a token straight. Hes just so flamboyant.

Hes the Jack McFarland of heterosexuality

---

AlisLandale posted...

Are you going to cite examples of the critiques/commentary of the native market, or are you going to just continue to repeat the orientation speech my Anthropology 101 teacher gave us? >_>

Of course he wont. Ive read tons of articles and listened to personal stories of LGBT East Asian people talking about their experiences and views. Ive also heard their stories first hand because Ive met dozens upon dozens while Ive been here.

---

AlisLandale posted...

Yosuke is like he was written in a parallel universe where gay was seen as normal and every tv show and video game needed a token straight. Hes just so flamboyant.

Hes the Jack McFarland of heterosexuality

lmao great comparison

---

AlisLandale posted...

Are you going to cite examples of the critiques/commentary of the native market, or are you going to just continue to repeat the orientation speech my Anthropology 101 teacher gave us? >_>

https://www.nhk.or.jp/d-navi/link/lgbt/

Survey of 2600 LGBT people in Japan on a variety of questions. Though isn't this where I say "do your own research", isn't that the new thing to say?

If you mean Persona 5 specifically, Googling got me a bunch of Japanese people talking about how foreigners complained about it. I couldn't find any Japanese complaining about it. I tried 5 LGBT.

---

Eliza3 posted...

Answer my questions or stop responding.
Can we criticize East Asian countries about these:

I keep telling you you can? Are you reading any of my posts? I keep saying you can criticize and you keep wanting to make it black and white. I am asking you to do basic research on the thing you are criticizing, not saying you can't. Yet you refuse to do that so you claim I am saying you can't criticize it.

---

ssjevot posted...

Though isn't this where I say "do your own research"

If youre going to present an argument, youre usually the one responsible for providing the actual substance to that argument.

Speaking of, what *is* your argument on the matter? Whats your opinion on this scene, lol?

https://youtu.be/lndaCPuFwVM

---

ssjevot posted...

https://www.nhk.or.jp/d-navi/link/lgbt/

Survey of 2600 LGBT people in Japan on a variety of questions. Though isn't this where I say "do your own research", isn't that the new thing to say?

What point are you trying to make by posting that link? It just proves my point that Japanese LGBT face problems from Japanese society:

Nearly 40% of the respondents had something and somewhat affected their health.

• Your panic disorder builds up from the stress of not being able to talk about yourself
• "I lost my hair due to stress"
• Communication became difficult and friendships were destroyed one after another. Aphasia

Coming out worries -From the voices of the parties-

• I'm a school teacher, but I'm reluctant to come out at work if I am a homosexual. I am worried that parents may not recognize me than my colleagues and boss. (Hokkaido)
• There was a time when I was scared of people because my feelings became unstable because I was denied all my parents' coming out (Aomori Prefecture)
• Continuing a life that impersonates oneself has diminished the reality of life, and I have developed a feeling that my life is insignificant. This is one of the factors that cause mental illness. Ta (Miyagi Prefecture)

From the voices of the parties you want us to treat as a family

• "Since I was born as a gay, I can't be happy even if I forcibly marry a woman. It makes me even lonelier."
• I'm worried about what to do with my social relationship with my partner for old age (such as adoption)
• Like a heterosexual, I want to walk a happy life that is blessed by everyone.

-From the voices of the parties regarding the family-

• "Everyone should have the right to live in peace with their loved ones in peace"
• Currently, there are various forms of family, such as single mother, single father, and factual marriage, so I think it may be legal for homosexual marriage.
• The lack of a system creates discrimination. However, even if there is a system, it is difficult to use because it leads to coming out at present

ssjevot posted...

I keep saying you can criticize and you keep wanting to make it black and white.

"But it's just different cultures, guys. No problems here to criticize."

ssjevot posted...

If you mean Persona 5 specifically, Googling got me a bunch of Japanese people talking about how foreigners complained about it. I couldn't find any Japanese complaining about it. I tried 5 LGBT.

Post them.

ssjevot posted...

I keep telling you you can?

Quote yourself telling me that you don't mind people criticizing it.


---

I don't care for the scene. I think it's a tired joke that adds nothing to the game and has the potential to offend people which it did. However as I said I couldn't find Japanese people complaining about it. Because when it comes to issue facing the LGBT community in Japan this just isn't on the radar. This reminds of when people freak out about some representation of black people in Japanese media in the West but black people in Japan don't seem to care. I think both result from the extremism in American culture. In America people, including police will murder you for being black, gay, trans, etc. Entire organizations exist saying you are subhuman, abominations, etc. There is extreme hate following you all the time. This causes people to look for anything that might offend and want it removed. In Japan no one is getting killed for those reasons (okay the violence is low in general, lowest in the first world by far), and the criticism they hear tends to come from the West. They also see the West electing people like Trump and people walking around with signs hating gay people or cops murdering black people and then people wonder why they don't understand. The LGBT and other minority communities in Japan have their own unique issues and struggles. That the West wants to throw their shit on to them and not attempt to understand what they face doesn't help.

That's the central issue. You don't want to learn about Japanese LGBT issues because you only care about them in the context of your culture. If they localized it the old way and just removed all LGBT characters you would say nothing. It's only relevant when it's in your culture. You expect them to understand the extremes of the West, of hating to the point of death or removing anything that might offend, but don't think you should need to learn anything about their situation or culture. That's the Western centered viewpoint that only became obvious to me once I left the West. The "educate yourself" crowd doesn't want to educate themselves.

---

Eliza3 posted...

What point are you trying to make by posting that link? It just proves my point that Japanese LGBT face problems from Japanese society:

Nearly 40% of the respondents had something and somewhat affected their health.
* Your panic disorder builds up from the stress of not being able to talk about yourself
* "I lost my hair due to stress"
* Communication became difficult and friendships were destroyed one after another. Aphasia

Coming out worries -From the voices of the parties-
* I'm a school teacher, but I'm reluctant to come out at work if I am a homosexual. I am worried that parents may not recognize me than my colleagues and boss. (Hokkaido)
* There was a time when I was scared of people because my feelings became unstable because I was denied all my parents' coming out (Aomori Prefecture)
* Continuing a life that impersonates oneself has diminished the reality of life, and I have developed a feeling that my life is insignificant. This is one of the factors that cause mental illness. Ta (Miyagi Prefecture)

From the voices of the parties you want us to treat as a family
* "Since I was born as a gay, I can't be happy even if I forcibly marry a woman. It makes me even lonelier."
* I'm worried about what to do with my social relationship with my partner for old age (such as adoption)
* Like a heterosexual, I want to walk a happy life that is blessed by everyone.

-From the voices of the parties regarding the family-
* "Everyone should have the right to live in peace with their loved ones in peace"
* Currently, there are various forms of family, such as single mother, single father, and factual marriage, so I think it may be legal for homosexual marriage.
* The lack of a system creates discrimination. However, even if there is a system, it is difficult to use because it leads to coming out at present

"But it's just different cultures, guys. No problems here to criticize."

Post them.

Quote yourself telling me that you don't mind people criticizing it.

I have said throughout the topic LGBT people face issues in Japan and you just wanted to make it about LGBT in the West. The point of that is to show issues that are faced by actual LGBT in Japan.

You quoted me saying you can criticize other cultures in your own post. If you aren't interested in arguing in good faith what is the point? You know what I mean perfectly well at this point.

---

ssjevot posted...

I have said throughout the topic LGBT people face issues in Japan and you just wanted to make it about LGBT in the West. The point of that is to show issues that are faced by actual LGBT in Japan.

You quoted me saying you can criticize other cultures in your own post. If you aren't interested in arguing in good faith what is the point? You know what I mean perfectly well at this point.

You came into this topic already assuming so much about other posters, like this ^. And like this:

ssjevot posted...

You only care about the West. You can imagine all these religious bigots waiting to attack anyone they perceive as gay, but we don't have that here. I am sorry your superior culture failed to export it successfully back when it was in vogue.

Nowhere have I said any of this stuff. Sure, this complaint about characters in a video game is minor. But this is a video game message board. I'm not taking this to congress. You really should have just lead with your point about it being something Japanese LGBT people don't notice (assuming they don't, I haven't seen any evidence, google shows me nothing, I don't speak Japanese) because they have bigger fish to fry, instead of going on your rant about American censorship.

ssjevot posted...

I don't care for the scene. I think it's a tired joke that adds nothing to the game and has the potential to offend people which it did.

Should've just lead with this too, bruh.

---

ssjevot posted...

That's the central issue. You don't want to learn about Japanese LGBT issues because you only care about them in the context of your culture.

This is a helluva thing to extrapolate from this topic, lol.

ssjevot posted...

Because when it comes to issue facing the LGBT community in Japan this just isn't on the radar.

This just reeks of there are worse things in the world so dont complain about this other thing. Even in the West there are far worse things afflicting the LGBT community. That doesnt make lesser offenses unworthy of discussion.

Were on a video game website. Persona is a popular video game series. Persona has a bunch of issues with its writing that even its fans acknowledge. This isnt that complicated. >_>

---

Kyle1022 posted...

Both of these can easily be explained away as the party only having JUST met and saved Kanji, so they just don't know him that well.

Lmao

---

This topic literally opened with posters talking about how anti-LGBT Japan is based on one scene from a game that was controversial in the West. Ignoring all the other LGBT characters in Japanese media, ignoring issues actual LGBT characters face, and the TC also threw Persona 4 in there as well, which I find strange. My personal opinion of Persona 4 as someone who grew up bi in America was that Kanji resonated well with me. And certainly in Japan he is a well received character. I also like Naoto, but I'm not trans and the way she resolved her issues may not sit well with some. Many other Atlus games also feature good LGBT characters.

So you accuse me of extrapolating a topic that immediately descended into "Japan is anti-LGBT" as being about a lack of understanding of LGBT issues in Japan how? This website constantly has displays of Western cultural superiority, and constantly stereotypes Japan (and other Eastern nations) based on ignorance. If people educated themselves I wouldn't have to constantly point out how things are more complicated than "East bad, West good". China is a whole separate issue where people can't seem to realize a government and a people aren't the same thing.

---

ssjevot posted...

This topic literally opened with posters talking about how anti-LGBT Japan is based on one scene from a game that was controversial in the West. Ignoring all the other LGBT characters in Japanese media, ignoring issues actual LGBT characters face, and the TC also threw Persona 4 in there as well, which I find strange. My personal opinion of Persona 4 as someone who grew up bi in America was that Kanji resonated well with me. And certainly in Japan he is a well received character. I also like Naoto, but I'm not trans and the way she resolved her issues may not sit well with some. Many other Atlus games also feature good LGBT characters.

So you accuse me of extrapolating a topic that immediately descended into "Japan is anti-LGBT" as being about a lack of understanding of LGBT issues in Japan how? This website constantly has displays of Western cultural superiority, and constantly stereotypes Japan (and other Eastern nations) based on ignorance. If people educated themselves I wouldn't have to constantly point out how things are more complicated than "East bad, West good". China is a whole separate issue where people can't seem to realize a government and a people aren't the same thing.

You really should stop acting like we wouldn't criticize a western country for being anti-LGBT too. Which examples are you referring to where people are saying the west is better ITT? If you think Japan isn't anti-LGBT, check that survey you linked here. You are right that it's not the same. Just like how racism in the west manifests so differently from racism in East Asia. In the US, racists will simply attack you on sight these days. In Korea, it's usually very subtle, and heavily tied to xenophobia.

That said, the west is also anti-LGBT in so many ways. It's getting better in the west, and American subcultures have had to be dragged kicking and screaming towards not being total shit towards minority groups. But it's a process.

Let me be clear. I don't think that Japan is an inferior culture. I don't think that Japanese people are collectively anti-LGBT. It seems like you clearly value and love the culture and that's great.

---

Eliza3 posted...

Let me be clear. I don't think that Japan is an inferior culture. I don't think that Japanese people are collectively anti-LGBT. It seems like you clearly value and love the culture and that's great.

That's all I'm asking is to not view it as inferior or stereotype people as anti-LGBT for being Japanese. Zikten posts terrible stereotypes about Japan in any topic related to it and there will always be people agreeing with him.

Japan has issues that the LGBT community here is working hard towards and will continue to work hard. To me saying anti-LGBT is promoting an image like a society that kills or imprisons people for being or promoting LGBT causes. Not a country working toward improving things for LGBT. Things are improving:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/27/national/social-issues/lgbt-same-sex-marriage-japan/#.XxvTX_dcW7E

The goal of people posting stuff like Zikten did is to cultivate an image that encourages bigotry against Japan. He knows what he is doing. He has done it in many topics.

---

Eliza3 posted...

I dont remember exact quotes

Thought so. If you have some specific lines I'll gladly talk about it, maybe even concede that it's homophobic. But if you're gonna make a blanket statement like that then nah.

---

Kyle1022 posted...

Thought so. If you have some specific lines I'll gladly talk about it, maybe even concede that it's homophobic. But if you're gonna make a blanket statement like that then nah.

Judging from your original post, I guarantee you wouldnt.

---

I guess it's a moot point anyway. Imaging making a claim and then having zero specific examples (in P4, anyway) to back it up, lmfao.

---

Kyle1022 posted...

I guess it's a moot point anyway. Imaging making a claim and then having zero specific examples (in P4, anyway) to back it up, lmfao.

are you going to rape us, because youre gay?

---

This reads like a Resetera topic. I'm sure by the time Persona 6 comes out the English translators for it will be so woke as to censor anything that might hurt your feelings TC. Will the Japanese version be woke? Doubt it.

Grischnak posted...

This reads like a Resetera topic. I'm sure by the time Persona 6 comes out the English translators for it will be so woke as to censor anything that might hurt your feelings TC. Will the Japanese version be woke? Doubt it.

Coming into a topic to shitpost about your homophobia. What a choice

---

ssjevot posted...

That's all I'm asking is to not view it as inferior or stereotype people as anti-LGBT for being Japanese. Zikten posts terrible stereotypes about Japan in any topic related to it and there will always be people agreeing with him.

Japan has issues that the LGBT community here is working hard towards and will continue to work hard. To me saying anti-LGBT is promoting an image like a society that kills or imprisons people for being or promoting LGBT causes. Not a country working toward improving things for LGBT. Things are improving:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/27/national/social-issues/lgbt-same-sex-marriage-japan/#.XxvTX_dcW7E

The goal of people posting stuff like Zikten did is to cultivate an image that encourages bigotry against Japan. He knows what he is doing. He has done it in many topics.

lol I had a feeling you were only reacting to Ziktens post and wasnt referring to TC with this all being a big misunderstanding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamefaqs/comments/5l3gse/warned_for_supposedly_insult_jews/
All you need to know about him.

---

I'm offended

---

Eliza3 posted...

are you going to rape us, because youre gay?

Good example, point conceded for this game entry

---