Board 8 > Rating Every Fire Emblem Character: Day 10 - Cavs

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Stuff:
- Ratings 1-10, no decimals. If you include a decimal, I will round down.
- We will do two ratings for each character character (CH) & unit (UN). They will be separate lists and you do not have to rate for both lists. Character rating is for design, personality, aesthetics, story, etc. and unit rating for everything gameplay related. If you only submit one rating and dont specify which, it will default to the character rating.
- You are free to rate any characters from past days or change your rating.
- Nominations for future characters are accepted. This does not guarantee your noms will be up for rating the next day but they will be moved up the queue for sooner rather than later.
- You obviously do not have to rate everything, just the ones you want.
- No regular schedule (e.g. Day 2 will not necessarily come ~24 hours after Day 1)

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lne8OQTQ7CwA5UXfzbD-Gsl34JuhamCU9oUgW85JC9w

Past Days:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xdaRcNoKXPEjPNuA8-lRIZtVEQXI-qOJyqO3HZgdC6A

CH (42):
1. Soren 8.583
2. Hector 8.333
3. Joshua 8.308
4. Nino 7.727
5. Sigurd 7.700
6. Marth 7.444
7. Innes 7.222
8. Ayra 7.200
9. Lyn 7.125
10. Ares 7.000
11. Takumi 7.000
12. Leon 7.000
13. Lethe 7.000
14. Hilda 6.900
15. Mercedes 6.833
16. Nanna (5) 6.800
17. Caeda 6.778
18. Leif (5) 6.750
19. Henry 6.714
20. Ferdinand 6.429

34. Lena 5.429
36. Colm 5.286

38. Ryoma 5.000
39. Ricken 4.400
40. Xander 4.000
41. Tharja 3.000
41. Peri 3.000

UN (49):
1. Sigurd 10.000
2. Robin 9.889
3. Lena 9.429
4. Ryoma 9.333
5. Caeda 9.222
6. Marcus 9.000
7. Xander 8.857
8. Florina 8.500
9. Hector 8.235
10. Ares 8.200
11. Ferdinand 8.000
12. Cordelia 7.917
13. Leif (4) 7.800
14. Nanna (4) 7.800
15. Hilda 7.800
16. Caeda (12) 7.750
17. Nanna (5) 7.750
18. Genny 7.667
19. Leon 7.600
20. Soren (9) 7.545

22. Lethe (9) 7.000
22. Tharja 7.000

45. Lethe (10) 3.500
46. Nino 3.455
47. Rebecca 2.143
48. Astrid (10) 2.000
49. Lena (12) 1.750

Day 10: Cavs

Abel (11/12)

Cavalier -> Paladin
Stats / Growths (11):
Lv: 1
HP: 20 / 65
STR/MAG: 6/0 | 40/0
SKL: 7 / 50
SPD: 7 / 50
LCK: 2 / 25
DEF: 7 / 20
RES: 0 / 0
MOV: 9

Paladin
Stats / Growths (12):
Lv: 1
HP: 32 / 100
STR/MAG: 13/1 | 60/0
SKL: 14 / 60
SPD: 15 / 60
LCK: 7 / 40
DEF: 14 / 40
RES: 6 / 5
MOV: 10

Cain (11/12)

Cavalier -> Paladin
Stats / Growths (11):
Lv: 1
HP: 20 / 75
STR/MAG: 7/0 | 35/0
SKL: 5 / 50
SPD: 6 / 50
LCK: 3 / 40
DEF: 7 / 20
RES: 0 / 0
MOV: 9

Cavalier -> Paladin
Stats / Growths (12):
Lv: 9
HP: 2

Sain (7)

Cavalier -> Paladin
Stats / Growths (E/H):
Lv: 4
HP: 22 / 80
STR: 9 / 60
SKL: 5 / 35
SPD: 7 / 40
LCK: 5 / 35
DEF: 7 / 20
RES: 0 / 20
CON: 9
AID: 16
MOV: 7

Kent (7)

Cavalier -> Paladin
Stats / Growths (E/H):
Lv: 5
HP: 23 / 85
STR/MAG: 8 / 40
SKL: 7 / 45
SPD: 8 / 45
LCK: 4 / 20
DEF: 6 / 25
RES: 1 / 25
CON: 9
AID: 16
MOV: 7

Franz (8)

Cavalier -> Paladin/Great Knight
Stats / Growths:
Lv: 1
HP: 20 / 80
STR/MAG: 7 / 40
SKL: 5 / 40
SPD: 7 / 50
LCK: 2 / 40
DEF: 6 / 25
RES: 1 / 20
CON: 9
AID: 16
MOV: 7

Forde (8)

Cavalier -> Paladin/Great Knight
Stats / Growths:
Lv: 6
HP: 24 / 85
STR/MAG: 7 / 40
SKL: 8 / 50
SPD: 8 / 45
LCK: 7 / 35
DEF: 8 / 20
RES: 2 / 25
CON: 9
AID: 16
MOV: 7

Form:
Abel CH
Cain CH
Lance CH
Allen CH
Sain CH
Kent CH
Franz CH
Forde CH

Abel UN (11)
Cain UN (11)
Abel UN (12)
Cain UN (12)
Lance UN
Allen UN
Sain UN
Kent UN
Franz UN
Forde UN

Lance UN 9
Allen UN 9
Sain UN 8
Kent UN 7
Franz UN 8
Forde UN 7

Ryoma UN - 10

Basically, Lance and Allen make a great support pair and their movement is even more useful in FE6 than in the other GBA games. Lance is better on HM as he doubles earlier, but otherwise they're basically equal, both 2-round usually (despite Lances doubling earlier).

Sain is definitely better than Kent, but neither is bad. But neither are as vital imo as Lance and Allen are in FE6.

Franz is better than Forde because of join time and bases at resp. level. But both again stand out less in FE8 than Lance and Allen do in FE6 because FE8 barely has large sprawling maps. Still, very useful. Forde however is easily the worst of this bunch, but still, he's an 8-move unit with two weapon types and decent stats.

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Sain CH 4

I'll be honest, I give so little of a shit about these people that I'm too lazy to just type 5 a bunch of times for all the utterly irrelevant people I have no feelings about one way or the other. Sain is a little annoying so he gets special treatment.

Abel UN (11) 9
Cain UN (11) 7
Abel UN (12) 2
Cain UN (12) 5
Lance UN 9
Allen UN 9
Sain UN 10
Kent UN 10
Franz UN 9
Forde UN 6

SD Abel is one of the best units, not quite on par with the gods but he has functional bases in a good class and the all important D lances. Cain is similar in stats but has D swords instead and that sucks because he can't throw Javelins for a while, especially since building lance rank early without them is really slow due to all the early axes (and the Steel Sword access doesn't help much since Ogma or occasionally Jagen will tend to have it, at least until axes mostly disappear), which in turn puts him farther behind on getting Ridersbane. Because of this he levels up more slowly and falls behind a bit. Still good and he becomes a typical good Paladin eventually, but the time getting there is a big black mark against him because Shadow Dragon is not a friendly game to be a growth unit in. In NM Cain is good briefly in the prologue and barely functional when he rejoins, while Abel is another late joining "everything kills me" scrub.

Allen and Lance are both very good, useful early, useful later, never your best units but usually pretty high up there. Sain and Kent I'm assuming Lyn Mode for, which makes them beasts. Sain in particular due to his monster strength, but Kent is still excellent. Without Lyn Mode they're pretty sketchy, especially Sain. Franz is great with his only weakness being that existing in a game with Seth can hurt the old experience gain, but he still keeps up better than most. Forde...is a cavalier so he's good enough, but his bases leave a lot to be desired.

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Abel CH 5
Cain CH 5
Lance CH 4
Allen CH 4
Sain CH 8
Kent CH 6
Franz CH 6
Forde CH 6

Abel UN (11) 8
Cain UN (11) 8
Abel UN (12) 2
Cain UN (12) 4
Lance UN 9
Allen UN 8
Sain UN 9
Kent UN 8
Franz UN 8
Forde UN 8

Cain and Abel are pretty generic, though Abel has a thing with Est that certainly exists across multiple games? It's never like... built on, though. Allen and Lance are SUPER generic. Kent and Sain are pretty clearly the best of this group, and even then Kent's one of those "I exist to serve you, m'liege" types. Franz and Forde are alright, Franz has some cute interactions with Amelia and Forde with Eirika. lol get wrecked kyle not even included

Movement good, FE12 availability bad, multiple weapon types good, and FE7 particularly busted. haha handaxe goes whooosh. i think that's about all i got.

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Abel CH 5
Cain CH 5
Lance CH 5
Allen CH 5
Sain CH 7
Kent CH 6
Franz CH 5
Forde CH 5

Abel UN (11) 8
Cain UN (11) 8
Lance UN 8
Allen UN 8
Sain UN 8
Kent UN 7
Franz UN 8
Forde UN 7

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i do like the m'lady types. pretty sure i killed off either Abel or Cain in the prologue for Shadow Dragon but i cannot remember which one.

Abel CH 3
Cain CH 3
Lance CH 4
Allen CH 4
Sain CH 6
Kent CH 8

Lance UN 9
Allen UN 9
Sain UN 9
Kent UN 9

oh ya go my cavs that can use all three weapon types (once promoted)

Abel CH 5
Cain CH 5
Lance CH 5
Allen CH 5
Sain CH 6
Kent CH 5
Franz CH 5
Forde CH 5

Abel UN (11) 9
Cain UN (11) 8
Lance UN 9
Allen UN 8
Sain UN 9
Kent UN 9
Franz UN 9
Forde UN 5

The FE11, FE6, and FE7 cavs are similar, so I'll lump them all together. Abel and Lance's higher speed lets them hit doubling thresholds easier, which is more important than the higher strength their counterparts have in games where enemies have actual speed stats. It doesn't matter for Sain as much because most FE7 enemies are so slow. Kent and Sain get a huge boost from Lyn mode, and you can even promote one of them to have a second Marcus when you hit Chapter 14/15.

Franz and Forde are a little different, however. Franz has solid bases, good growths, and is a great candidate for the first knight crest you get, which can turn him into a second Seth. His biggest problem is that Seth is around to suck up experience, so it may be a little hard to get him going. Still, the payoff is worth it.

As for Forde, well, I think Mekkah sums it up better than I could: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkRLOxUS7Y4

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Abel CH 4
Cain CH 4
Lance CH 4
Allen CH 4
Sain CH 6
Kent CH 7
Franz CH 5
Forde CH 8

Abel UN (11) 7
Cain UN (11) 7
Lance UN 8
Allen UN 6
Sain UN 7
Kent UN 8
Franz UN 5
Forde UN 7

So Red Knight/Green Knight archtypes for some of the games. The starting duo of Cain and Abel are pretty basic in personality and that is mostly because if you played only Shadow Dragon and have only tidbits of what they're like through Heroes they really don't have personalities. At lower difficulties, Cain's power doesn't come at as much of a cost in Shadow Dragon, but both are overshadowed by Frey if you play the tutorial and keep him.

For FE6, I tried both. Once again they're both pretty plain, and Lance has a benefit of higher speed and skill. Alan/Allen however, has higher strength but at the cost of speed and skill, and thus accuracy. In a game with more notable 90% accuracy missing way more often than you'd think. I haven't really gotten either to Paladin.

Kent and Sain are similar in the case of one is stronger with lower accuracy and the other is weaker with a higher chance of outspeeding opponents. And really, to be honest Sain gets enough speed to double, but I've seemingly had better luck with Kent all the time due to that accuracy, especially once he hit Paladin and could utilize axes to remove his strength deficit. And I really do like Kent's personality, even though it's dull to some. Meanwhile, Sain comes off too strongly.

Franz and Forde, is just one where I'm going to be weird. Franz, for me, comes fairly weak but early enough to train him, but you also gain some other units around him that are equally, if not more rewarding if you train. And even his niche of good movement is ruined by... Well, the fact that Seth is actually competent in the late game too. I've seen a Franz still be behind Seth even after a late promotion. Forde could easily be behind too, but one of the biggest benefits for me with him, is the fact that all of his supports end the game with mounted movement. He provides utility to both of the Lords, so whichever route he's in, he can support them with Wind Affinity. Granted, not that supports are that necessary in Sacred Stones, but it's always nice. Also, Forde is pretty much my favorite womanizer currently because he's not fully upfront and flirty, he's subtle and suave.

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oh yeh here's an inferior Abel pic

WickIebee posted...

n a game with more notable 90% accuracy missing way more often than you'd think.

This isn't a thing. The only issue with FE6's RNG is a bug that is only ever noticeable in one extremely rare situation (a status staff with 100 displayed hit has something like a 0.03% chance of missing). Otherwise it's identical to the other two GBA games

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I don't know why you think Franz is weak but Forde isn't, when they have similar bases, yet Franz joins 7 chapters earlier and 5 levels lower.
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