Current Events > Portland protesters break into Police Association building and light it on fire

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Doe
07/19/20 6:38:07 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Okay, but if law enforcement were to adopt this mentality they would just start bashing heads.....you following?
Then citizens defend themselves and shoot back

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SSJCAT
07/19/20 6:42:54 AM
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holy fuck there are so many ignorant hateful shitheads on this board... man i might need to take a break or just leave this site

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gunplagirl
07/19/20 6:44:24 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Some have. Some protestors have rioted, looted, and burned. But not all of them.

How is defunding the police, and thus reducing their budget for training officers a solution for anything?
"Rioting" "looting"
Wanna know the last time there was any actual mob breaking in to a store? About a week after the mall got hit. That was it. The only thing that has happened lately is maybe a trash can gets burned, oh lordy.

And the police design their training. There's nothing that legally mandates how much time or money goes into their training. More money doesn't mean better training, it just means more weapons so they can do stuff like fire tear gas on crowds for nearly 50 days straight.

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Keith_Valentine
07/19/20 7:18:49 AM
#54:


Doe posted...
Then citizens defend themselves and shoot back

Advocating for shooting cops, there we go. You think the type of person who would shoot a cop puts their gun away when the cops are gone? Naive.
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Solid Snake07
07/19/20 7:31:38 AM
#55:


gunplagirl posted...
"Rioting" "looting"
Wanna know the last time there was any actual mob breaking in to a store? About a week after the mall got hit. That was it. The only thing that has happened lately is maybe a trash can gets burned, oh lordy.

And the police design their training. There's nothing that legally mandates how much time or money goes into their training. More money doesn't mean better training, it just means more weapons so they can do stuff like fire tear gas on crowds for nearly 50 days straight.


Well, the topic we're posting in is literally about a building being set on fire........

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averagejoel
07/19/20 7:44:39 AM
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billcom6 posted...
I just don't get the protestors who light things on fire. It accomplishes nothing. Nothing good will come from it.
from an objective pragmatic standpoint, destroying buildings is a demonstrably effective protest tactic

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averagejoel
07/19/20 7:45:47 AM
#57:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Well, the topic we're posting in is literally about a building being set on fire........
in response to police violence

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Keith_Valentine
07/19/20 8:01:38 AM
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averagejoel posted...
from an objective pragmatic standpoint, destroying buildings is a demonstrably effective protest tactic

You just like chaos imo. Like if all your ideas were implemented perfectly, youd get bored and bitch about something else.
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gunplagirl
07/19/20 8:13:51 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Well, the topic we're posting in is literally about a building being set on fire........
I wasn't aware that a police association building was a store, or did you not read a fucking thing I said?

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DarkRoast
07/19/20 8:20:22 AM
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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...
after the abducting bullshit pulled earlier, fuck em. The portland police force is trash

Except those weren't police, so there's that

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MFBKBass5
07/19/20 8:21:44 AM
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No reasonable person would advocate for setting shit on fire.

but.

When you have unmarked vehicles snatching people off the streets, and cops continuing to hurl violence towards protests when theyre NOT EVEN PROVOKING cops....cant say Im shocked things are getting set on fire again.

What are they expecting? You poke the bee hive, and youre bound to get stung a bit. If cops continue to abuse their powers and civilians continue to get pushed and shoved around, Id expect the rioting to get worse. Its a natural response to whats going on around them.

You piss off a large group of people by tear gassing otherwise peaceful protests? Fuck, Id be furious too.

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LethalAffinity
07/19/20 8:45:38 AM
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Why are there so many anarchists in Portland and Seattle? How did this even start? Does this go back to the 90s grunge scene?

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SocksForWokMAX2
07/19/20 8:46:39 AM
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Ugh how awful
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Southernfatman
07/19/20 8:47:43 AM
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They should have uselessly complained on the internet instead. Now that would really show the cops.

Maybe they could even photoshop the SS insignia on the cops. Now that would really make some change.

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KnightofShikari
07/19/20 9:00:02 AM
#71:


MFBKBass5 posted...
No reasonable person would advocate for setting shit on fire.

but.

When you have unmarked vehicles snatching people off the streets, and cops continuing to hurl violence towards protests when theyre NOT EVEN PROVOKING cops....cant say Im shocked things are getting set on fire again.

What are they expecting? You poke the bee hive, and youre bound to get stung a bit. If cops continue to abuse their powers and civilians continue to get pushed and shoved around, Id expect the rioting to get worse. Its a natural response to whats going on around them.

You piss off a large group of people by tear gassing otherwise peaceful protests? Fuck, Id be furious too.
don't forget beating up journalists even after they showed press badges. gotta try to block free press if it shows you engaging in police brutality, even if you have to commit police brutality to do so

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KiwiTerraRizing
07/19/20 9:01:30 AM
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When they escalate things by sending in Federal Stormtroopers you are going to get a response.

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Serious Cat
07/19/20 9:01:43 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...


Source?
The very article linked to when you asked for credible evidence.

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FrostedCream
07/19/20 9:25:48 AM
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those poor,defenseless police officers,they havent done anything wrong.
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loafy013
07/19/20 9:50:36 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
I say defund the cops. Give em what they want.
The right should be all for it too. I mean, how many times is one of the main arguments for needing a gun is because the police are too slow and ineffective in an emergency.

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ScazarMeltex
07/19/20 9:51:54 AM
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Maybe the cops shouldn't be allowing DHS to be rolling around in unmarked vans kidnapping people off the streets.

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Barber102
07/19/20 9:52:09 AM
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Serious Cat posted...
The very article linked to when you asked for credible evidence.


dont bother the man cant read more than a few sentences at a time. Just like his god donald trump.

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MarqueeSeries
07/19/20 10:15:04 AM
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Serious Cat posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...


Source?
The very article linked to when you asked for credible evidence.

I wouldn't bother. I tried my best and he just keeps sticking his fingers in his ears, so theres no sense in entertaining someone not interested in a legitimate discussion.

averagejoel posted...
billcom6 posted...
I just don't get the protestors who light things on fire. It accomplishes nothing. Nothing good will come from it.
from an objective pragmatic standpoint, destroying buildings is a demonstrably effective protest tactic

Maybe not far enough at this point if I'm being honest
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Blue_Inigo
07/19/20 10:23:00 AM
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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...
after the abducting bullshit pulled earlier, fuck em. The portland police force is trash


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s0nicfan
07/19/20 10:31:35 AM
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Time for CHAZ 2.0?

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MFBKBass5
07/19/20 11:40:13 AM
#82:


s0nicfan posted...
Time for CHAZ 2.0?


A Portland Chaz would be way more punk than a Seattle one

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DontHateMe
07/19/20 1:18:39 PM
#83:


Good, fight back.

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NinjaWarrior455
07/19/20 1:24:17 PM
#84:


Fuck those pigs

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MarqueeSeries
07/19/20 1:24:22 PM
#85:


DontHateMe posted...
Good, fight back.

It's the only way. Fascists wont stop grabbing for power just because you hold up signs and ask them to stop

Non violent revolution only gets you so far
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ohiostate124
07/19/20 1:26:28 PM
#86:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Yep, antifa is a terrorist group

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SH_expert44
07/19/20 4:58:40 PM
#87:


MFBKBass5 posted...
A Portland Chaz would be way more punk than a Seattle one
Probably only last 2 weeks this time

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Disrespector
07/19/20 5:05:30 PM
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acab

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DarkRoast
07/20/20 1:06:52 PM
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FYI - the unmarked van / abduction thing is by federal agents, not the police

Pretty important distinction, at least in this case

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TommyG663513
07/20/20 1:08:04 PM
#90:


PlsGodDontBanMe posted...
after the abducting bullshit pulled earlier, fuck em. The portland police force is trash


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DarkRoast
07/20/20 1:11:31 PM
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Could you not even be bothered to read the last post?

They're not police. They're federal agents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/us/politics/portland-federal-agents-trump.html

  • Military-clad agents reporting to the Department of Homeland Security are patrolling the streets of Portland, Ore., and throwing protesters into unmarked vehicles. The governor of Oregon has called it a blatant abuse of power, and the citys mayor said it was an attack on our democracy.
  • Demonstrators have reported that officers dressed in camouflage fatigues have ambushed them and thrown them into vans without telling them why were being arrested or detained.
  • The states attorney general has filed a lawsuit accusing the federal agents of unlawful tactics and is seeking a restraining order against them. Washington officials have cited the post-Sept. 11 legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security in justifying the deployment of troops to quell protests. That law empowered the agencys secretary to send in federal agents to help the Federal Protective Service when federal property is threatened.


It's an extremely important distinction. Not only are you blaming the wrong people, you're also ignoring what is very clearly a federal civil rights violation by the president himself.


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V-E-G-Y-
07/20/20 1:12:18 PM
#92:


PlsGodDontBanMe posted...
after the abducting bullshit pulled earlier, fuck em. The portland police force is trash

Dis exactly
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DarkRoast
07/20/20 1:13:33 PM
#93:


V-E-G-Y- posted...
Dis exactly

Except for the part where it's not the Portland police doing it.


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Doe
07/20/20 3:11:12 PM
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Where are the federal agents taking them if not the police station? You really think there's no cooperation?

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DarkRoast
07/20/20 3:48:31 PM
#95:


Doe posted...
Where are the federal agents taking them if not the police station? You really think there's no cooperation?

No, actually.

Which is why the state attorney general is suing the feds

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Doe
07/20/20 3:52:31 PM
#96:


Okay I see then. So it's Trumps doing

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MarqueeSeries
07/21/20 9:49:32 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
Doe posted...
Where are the federal agents taking them if not the police station? You really think there's no cooperation?

No, actually.

Which is why the state attorney general is suing the feds

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/evidence-shows-portland-police-working-with-federal-officers-at-protests-contradicting-city-officials.html

I'm not sure why you would expect police to not cooperate with the feds
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TommyG663513
07/21/20 9:54:47 AM
#98:


DarkRoast posted...
No, actually.

Which is why the state attorney general is suing the feds

The Portland Fire Department is refusing to let any members of the Portland PD to step foot on the property of their fire stations. This is due to them aiding the secret federal police.

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