Current Events > author of white fragility says capitalism is bound to racism

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" I avoid critiquing capitalism I dont need to give people reasons to dismiss me."

lmao makes money by selling a book and talking to white people about racism, but refuses to talk about the root causes of racism
quite the grift!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/magazine/white-fragility-robin-diangelo.html


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Sounds about like something a person who uses the words "white fragility" would say.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Sounds about like something a person who uses the words "white fragility" would say.

What other term would you use for a group of people that hold the majority of positions of power and wealth in this country but still manage to think that they are oppressed?

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she's like Tim wise but less abrasive

same grift though

make money talking about racism to white people do nothing to actually solve it

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Isn't saying "white fragility" in and of itself racist? I mean it certainly would be if you said it about any other race.

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no


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ScazarMeltex posted...

What other term would you use for a group of people that hold the majority of positions of power and wealth in this country but still manage to think that they are oppressed?

I didn't know white people were hive-minded like that. Are we psychically linked? Is there a hive queen in in a secret underground lair who lays white people eggs?

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Bwah ha ha

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FortuneCookie posted...

I didn't know white people were hive-minded like that. Are we psychically linked? Is there a hive queen in in a secret underground lair who lays white people eggs?

what the fuck are you on about now

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I would argue keeping poor whites from achieving class consciousness by shoehorning them in with the capitalist class is a bad move if you don't like capitalism, but I'm not really a leftist, so... I always wonder how these types of theories accommodate for Asians in America doing better financially, etc. I have heard the word white adjacent used to describe it, but it's more like being better at the game than white people are, so it seems insulting if anything.

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America's suppression of rights in general stems primarily from capitalism.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

America's suppression of rights in general stems primarily from capitalism.

Lmao yeah, definitely no suppression of rights in non-capitalist systems

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ASithLord7 posted...

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

America's suppression of rights in general stems primarily from capitalism.

Lmao yeah, definitely no suppression of rights in non-capitalist systems

That's not what he said tho.
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Is capitalism the new boogeyman now? Did you know 100% of the countries that have capitalism have death? Curious. Very curious.

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ssjevot posted...

would argue keeping poor whites from achieving class consciousness by shoehorning them in with the capitalist class is a bad move

liberals do that, leftists don't it's been a common tactic of division by the ruling class
white indentured servants and black slaves used to escape together, until the indentured servants were severely punished for associating with black slaves

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Paper_Okami posted...

the root causes of racism

Simple tribalism and some visceral need for scapegoats.

Simple and direct answers aren't good enough, though, because that leads to cognitive dissonance and self-reflection instead of finding more scapegoats for your tribe.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Simple tribalism and some visceral need for scapegoats.

it is far more complex than that

otherwise it wouldn't systemic to this extent

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ASithLord7 posted...

Lmao yeah, definitely no suppression of rights in non-capitalist systems

What non capitalist systems are there?

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"Do X and I'll give you money"

"Okay"

REEEE CAPITALISM IS RACIST

Not seeing where the racism comes into play

Paper_Okami posted...

it is far more complex than that

otherwise it wouldn't systemic to this extent

I mean in-group/out-group research is well established and appears to have been present throughout all of human history. That's why it's systemic to this extent. People didn't start hating other people once capitalism came along. All the oldest literature in history has some out-group that is considered evil. Hell it's a major component of a story in the Bible (the good Samaritan), the story only works if prejudice existed at that time.

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Paper_Okami posted...

it is far more complex than that

otherwise it wouldn't systemic to this extent

You don't want that other tribe to make your tribe the scapegoat. That's how it becomes systemic.

Dreamscissors posted...

What non capitalist systems are there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_system#List_of_economic_systems

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Gamerguymass posted...

Isn't saying "white fragility" in and of itself racist? I mean it certainly would be if you said it about any other race.

It is

Paper_Okami posted...

it is far more complex than that

otherwise it wouldn't systemic to this extent

Yeah, there was some pretty terrible prejudice before capitalism, not all of capitalism's failings can be explained by racism, and there will be prejudice after capitalism.
Capitalism is garbage though and basically can't work without exploiting cheap labor and destroying the planet*.
*To be fair, we've only recently come to appreciate that that's a thing that's happening and just how bad it is/could be. It's also true that capitalism creates little incentive for most firms to do anything and a massive pile of perverse incentives for firms invested in oil, gas, and/or coal.

Questionmarktarius posted...

in girardian mimetic theory the scapegoat becomes deified

not that the scapegoat wants to be the scapegoat

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TheMikh posted...

in girardian mimetic theory the scapegoat becomes deified

not that the scapegoat wants to be the scapegoat

Yeah.
It's something Orwell explained quite well. Oppressors oppress because they expect the oppressed to become the new oppressors, and then the previous oppressors become the new oppressed.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Yeah.
It's something Orwell explained quite well. Oppressors oppress because they expect the oppressed to become the new oppressors, and then the previous oppressors become the new oppressed.

Any particularly recommended reads?

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TheMikh posted...

Any particularly recommended reads?

1984, obviously.

She sounds like a charleton.

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capitalism didn't cause prejudice, it sure made it a hell of a lot worse


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Questionmarktarius posted...

1984, obviously.

Ah, I must have missed that theme. Read it a couple years back.

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Paper_Okami posted...

capitalism didn't cause prejudice, it sure made it a hell of a lot worse

Yet in your OP you call it a root cause of racism. Kinda hard for a root cause to be predated by its effect.

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TheMikh posted...

Ah, I must have missed that theme. Read it a couple years back.

It's in the Goldstein part.

I mean capitalism and it's success in the US is intrinsically linked to racism. Hard to say all that history up and disappeared because minorities kinda sorta got rights in the 60s

However discussing these failings of capitalism is an easy way to get people (name: libs) to write you off as you attack their status quo. Author is 100% valid in that concern.

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FortuneCookie posted...

I didn't know white people were hive-minded like that

that's not what it implies

what is it with internet nerdos and their comical inability to grasp words

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's in the Goldstein part.

Thanks, I'll revisit that section.

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White fragility is the social response of defensiveness many people experience when confronted with racism. You can see its effects all over CE.
It's a fairly controversial issue in that it's dehumanizing towards black people and not problem-solving, but as a descriptor it's valid and fairly studied, even before the book by DiAngelo. It is absolutely not racist in the way users on here think it is, it is descriptive. By comparison, I wouldn't feel comfortable wantonly posting things I've studied about the African American family unit for fear of getting modded. Some things in academia just tend to get loaded in common parlance.

So, go ahead. How is "white fragility" racist? What is the definition?

Edit: It's also hilarious to think that random gamers on the internet would expect each other to have done a 10 year cross-cultural study on the link between capitalism and racism.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

White fragility is the social response of defensiveness many people experience when confronted with racism. You can see its effects all over CE.
It's a fairly controversial issue in that it's dehumanizing towards black people and not problem-solving, but as a descriptor it's valid and fairly studied, even before the book by DiAngelo. It is absolutely not racist in the way users on here think it is, it is descriptive. By comparison, I wouldn't feel comfortable wantonly posting things I've studied about the African American family unit for fear of getting modded. Some things in academia just tend to get loaded in common parlance.

So, go ahead. How is "white fragility" racist? What is the definition?

"It's saying all white people are fragile!" is the response you're going to get. Context doesn't exist.

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averagejoel posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_system#List_of_economic_systems

How many of those work in a first world country?

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CrimsonRage posted...

which ironically is a rather fragile response ;)

Indeed lol

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The_Creep_2020 posted...

How many of those work in a first world country?

Theres a reason he didnt respond

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Capitalism in the Western world was built of the Transatlantic slave trade that's a historical fact

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ASithLord7 posted...

"It's saying all white people are fragile!" is the response you're going to get. Context doesn't exist.

That pretty much is what the book says. A lot of things worse than that, too.

Annihilated posted...

That pretty much is what the book says. A lot of things worse than that, too.

Define white fragility.

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Like others have said, capitalism is linked to racism. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade and the treatment of indigenous populations were driven by capitalism. Free labor provided by slaves and theft of land was the driving force of American capitalism. There's a reason why Mississippi had more millionaires in the United States than anywhere in the country in the 1850s.

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These types should go live in places that dont primarily use capitalism...

:l

Wat

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FinalFantasy462 posted...

These types should go live in places that dont primarily use capitalism...

https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

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Samurontai posted...

Theres a reason he didnt respond

yeah. I was asleep

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