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Rypt 07/14/20 9:12:32 AM #1:	I have that game just as a collectors item, but never really played it. Was it any good? Saw that series is winning the poll. <cite>Rypt posted [p:942090395] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>I have that game just as a collectors item, but never really played it. Was it any good? Saw that series is winning the poll. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 07/14/20 9:15:50 AM #3:	From that poll, Mega Man had by far the best showing on the NES. I can understand SMB too though. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:942090488] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>From that poll, Mega Man had by far the best showing on the NES. I can understand SMB too though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/14/20 9:17:32 AM #4:	Would play either the PS1, GBA or PSP versions. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:942090522] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Would play either the PS1, GBA or PSP versions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/14/20 9:17:34 AM #5:	dolomedes posted... NES RPGs haven't aged well. it's probably playable if what you're playing it on includes turbo/FF and savestates I actually think old RPGs have aged a lot better than most genres. Like, maybe SMB3 and Mega Man 2 have aged better than FF but try anything other than the very most popular games and see just how poorly the majority of NES games have aged. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:942090524] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted... </cite> <quote>NES RPGs haven't aged well. it's probably playable if what you're playing it on includes turbo/FF and savestates</quote>I actually think old RPGs have aged a lot better than most genres. Like, maybe SMB3 and Mega Man 2 have aged better than FF but try anything other than the very most popular games and see just how poorly the majority of NES games have aged. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 07/14/20 9:18:11 AM #6:	The GBA/PSP version is far more enjoyable. I mean. Theyre ok if youre that into RPGs. But theyre very simplistic. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:942090543] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>The GBA/PSP version is far more enjoyable. I mean. Theyre ok if youre that into RPGs. But theyre very simplistic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rypt 07/14/20 9:18:13 AM #7:	Never understood the thrill with Megaman either. What was so great about those? I have the original one, also as a collectors item, and the collection for Playstation 2 (collection of the NES games). But all of the NES games seem like the same game over and over again. <cite>Rypt posted [p:942090544] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Never understood the thrill with Megaman either. What was so great about those? I have the original one, also as a collectors item, and the collection for Playstation 2 (collection of the NES games). But all of the NES games seem like the same game over and over again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 07/14/20 9:19:11 AM #8:	The game is a product of its time, but even then, I'd say it was ahead of its time. I still consider it a good game, though I prefer playing the Dawn of Souls version on GBA. FFO on PS1 as both the quality of life balances and the original magic system integrated into it, if you want one version that has both ways of playing. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:942090568] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>The game is a product of its time, but even then, I'd say it was ahead of its time. I still consider it a good game, though I prefer playing the Dawn of Souls version on GBA. FFO on PS1 as both the quality of life balances and the original magic system integrated into it, if you want one version that has both ways of playing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 07/14/20 9:19:26 AM #9:	the nes final fantasies are awful. I should have voted for SMB instead --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade https://imgur.com/MYYEIx5 https://imgur.com/WGE12ef <cite>solosnake posted [p:942090570] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>the nes final fantasies are awful. I should have voted for SMB instead </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 07/14/20 9:19:31 AM #10:	Rypt posted... Never understood the thrill with Megaman either. What was so great about those? I have the original one, also as a collectors item, and the collection for Playstation 2 (collection of the NES games). But all of the NES games seem like the same game over and over again. they were fun, tough as nails and had high replayability during a time when games were really short and only felt longer due to difficulty and how progress was saved. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:942090572] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Rypt posted... </cite> <quote>Never understood the thrill with Megaman either. What was so great about those? I have the original one, also as a collectors item, and the collection for Playstation 2 (collection of the NES games). But all of the NES games seem like the same game over and over again.</quote> they were fun, tough as nails and had high replayability during a time when games were really short and only felt longer due to difficulty and how progress was saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/14/20 9:21:06 AM #11:	I swear the PSP remake of MM1 nerfed the difficulty. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:942090618] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>I swear the PSP remake of MM1 nerfed the difficulty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 07/14/20 9:21:32 AM #12:	solosnake posted... the nes final fantasies are awful. I should have voted for SMB instead That isn't what the poll is asking, though. It asked which series started on the NES, not the best of the games on the NES. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:942090637] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite> <quote>the nes final fantasies are awful. I should have voted for SMB instead</quote> That isn't what the poll is asking, though. It asked which series started on the NES, not the best of the games on the NES. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 07/14/20 9:22:57 AM #13:	chrono625 posted... they were fun, tough as nails and had high replayability during a time when games were really short and only felt longer due to difficulty and how progress was saved. I'd argue that the Mega Man games, outside of 1, are quite easy compared to other NES games. No true game overs, and they're challenging in a good way. Also some of the best music on the NES hands down. Between Mega Man, Little Nemo, and Duck Tails, Capcom made some of the best aging NES game IMO. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:942090668] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>chrono625 posted... </cite> <quote>they were fun, tough as nails and had high replayability during a time when games were really short and only felt longer due to difficulty and how progress was saved.</quote>I'd argue that the Mega Man games, outside of 1, are quite easy compared to other NES games. No true game overs, and they're challenging in a good way. Also some of the best music on the NES hands down. Between Mega Man, Little Nemo, and Duck Tails, Capcom made some of the best aging NES game IMO. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/14/20 9:24:13 AM #14:	Rypt posted... Never understood the thrill with Megaman either. What was so great about those? I have the original one, also as a collectors item, and the collection for Playstation 2 (collection of the NES games). But all of the NES games seem like the same game over and over again. Because they kind of are. They're kind of like level packs with new weapons and music. They're supposed to be. It's kind of the opposite philosophy of something like Mario, where every game is supposed to be a totally new experience (with exceptions). Presumably, this is why they made a spinoff after a couple of the originals. The spinoffs tend to change stuff up a bit. For another Mario comparison, the series is kind of like what if every major Mario game had multiple Lost Levels entries, with the main entries being Mega Man, Mega Man X, Mega Man Zero, Mega Man ZX, Mega Man Legends, Mega Man Battle Network and Mega Man Star Force. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:942090704] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Rypt posted... </cite> <quote>Never understood the thrill with Megaman either. What was so great about those? I have the original one, also as a collectors item, and the collection for Playstation 2 (collection of the NES games). But all of the NES games seem like the same game over and over again.</quote>Because they kind of are. They're kind of like level packs with new weapons and music. They're supposed to be. It's kind of the opposite philosophy of something like Mario, where every game is supposed to be a totally new experience (with exceptions). Presumably, this is why they made a spinoff after a couple of the originals. The spinoffs tend to change stuff up a bit. For another Mario comparison, the series is kind of like what if every major Mario game had multiple Lost Levels entries, with the main entries being Mega Man, Mega Man X, Mega Man Zero, Mega Man ZX, Mega Man Legends, Mega Man Battle Network and Mega Man Star Force. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 07/14/20 9:25:05 AM #15:	EndOfDiscOne posted... I'd argue that the Mega Man games, outside of 1, are quite easy compared to other NES games. No true game overs, and they're challenging in a good way. Also some of the best music on the NES hands down. Between Mega Man, Little Nemo, and Duck Tails, Capcom made some of the best aging NES game IMO. I always found them challenging as well but many of my friends before save states and the collector compilation never beat any MM due to difficulty and couldnt even beat more than a boss. i think MM was the perfect balance of difficulty and fun. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:942090734] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite> <quote>I'd argue that the Mega Man games, outside of 1, are quite easy compared to other NES games. No true game overs, and they're challenging in a good way. Also some of the best music on the NES hands down. Between Mega Man, Little Nemo, and Duck Tails, Capcom made some of the best aging NES game IMO.</quote> I always found them challenging as well but many of my friends before save states and the collector compilation never beat any MM due to difficulty and couldnt even beat more than a boss. i think MM was the perfect balance of difficulty and fun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 07/14/20 9:25:40 AM #16:	Yeah, it was a really streamlined RPG for the time. It's one of the few NES RPGs I can comfortably beat without getting lost and needing a guide. Plus the class system is pretty replayable --- https://imgur.com/7nfPhE2 <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:942090753] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it was a really streamlined RPG for the time. It's one of the few NES RPGs I can comfortably beat without getting lost and needing a guide. Plus the class system is pretty replayable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Popo 07/14/20 9:29:21 AM #17:	I really enjoy it. At the same time, if you didnt grow up on it, I doubt it would have a ton of appeal. Also, the poll is asking which of those series is your favorite... not which of those NES games is your favorite. --- Live action Hungry Hungry Hippos though, now that was a sport. ~Aeon Azuran <cite>The Popo posted [p:942090849] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>I really enjoy it. At the same time, if you didnt grow up on it, I doubt it would have a ton of appeal. Also, the poll is asking which of those series is your favorite... not which of those NES games is your favorite. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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philsov 07/14/20 9:40:26 AM #19:	FF1 isn't that good. You select 4 husks of people into one of six classes and then go and save the world. Save points are few; dying at a boss means upwards of an hour lost. Classes are imba; black mage, black belt, and thief are all generally worse than fighter, red mage, and white mage. The last 1/3 of the game is mostly just you invoking weapons that cast medium-level black mage to aoe down whatever you're going up against. During boss fights your red/black mage is there to buff your physical fighters. You're better off playing any of Wizardry 1, Ultima 4, Dragon Warrior 3, or Crystalis. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:942091157] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>FF1 isn't that good. You select 4 husks of people into one of six classes and then go and save the world. Save points are few; dying at a boss means upwards of an hour lost. Classes are imba; black mage, black belt, and thief are all generally worse than fighter, red mage, and white mage. The last 1/3 of the game is mostly just you invoking weapons that cast medium-level black mage to aoe down whatever you're going up against. During boss fights your red/black mage is there to buff your physical fighters. You're better off playing any of Wizardry 1, Ultima 4, Dragon Warrior 3, or Crystalis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/14/20 9:43:30 AM #20:	dolomedes posted... NES RPGs haven't aged well. it's probably playable if what you're playing it on includes turbo/FF and savestates not counting FF2 and FF3 since they never came to the US originally..... Final Fantasy 1 is probably the best NES rpg. I mostly agree that 8 bit rpgs weren't usually that good. but FF was fairly decent for it's time <cite>Zikten posted [p:942091254] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted...</cite> <quote>NES RPGs haven't aged well. it's probably playable if what you're playing it on includes turbo/FF and savestates </quote> not counting FF2 and FF3 since they never came to the US originally..... Final Fantasy 1 is probably the best NES rpg. I mostly agree that 8 bit rpgs weren't usually that good. but FF was fairly decent for it's time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/14/20 9:44:43 AM #21:	philsov posted... Classes are imba; black mage, black belt, and thief are all generally worse than fighter, red mage, and white mage. If I ever do another run, I'd probably either go Fighter Fighter Fighter Fighter or Fighter Fighter Fighter White Mage. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:942091288] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>Classes are imba; black mage, black belt, and thief are all generally worse than fighter, red mage, and white mage.</quote>If I ever do another run, I'd probably either go Fighter Fighter Fighter Fighter or Fighter Fighter Fighter White Mage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 07/14/20 9:52:23 AM #22:	It was incredible for the time. I didnt much much care for the remakes. They made it easier and I didnt like changing spells per day to MP. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:942091514] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>It was incredible for the time. I didnt much much care for the remakes. They made it easier and I didnt like changing spells per day to MP. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 07/14/20 9:54:59 AM #23:	Alucard188 posted... That isn't what the poll is asking, though. It asked which series started on the NES, not the best of the games on the NES. yeah i know, but i dont think there has ever been a mario game i didnt like. Also probably like SMW more than any single final fantasy. I just voted too soon. --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade https://imgur.com/MYYEIx5 https://imgur.com/WGE12ef <cite>solosnake posted [p:942091594] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite> <quote>That isn't what the poll is asking, though. It asked which series started on the NES, not the best of the games on the NES.</quote>yeah i know, but i dont think there has ever been a mario game i didnt like. Also probably like SMW more than any single final fantasy. I just voted too soon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame Zero 07/14/20 10:03:25 AM #24:	Every subsequent re-release of FF1 is good, but the original on NES has aged like hot garbage. The difficulty imbalance requires most people to grind - like many early RPGs - but also, several spells are bugged and don't work, and the shortened names of equipment and spells is too vague. Also, if you kill an enemy, and other characters are targeting it, they just attack the empty spot instead of moving onto another target. There's some innovative stuff in it (that's honestly done much better and more polished in Dragon Quest games), but the later remakes made so many QOL improvements. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame Zero posted [p:942091842] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Every subsequent re-release of FF1 is good, but the original on NES has aged like hot garbage. The difficulty imbalance requires most people to grind - like many early RPGs - but also, several spells are bugged and don't work, and the shortened names of equipment and spells is too vague. Also, if you kill an enemy, and other characters are targeting it, they just attack the empty spot instead of moving onto another target. There's some innovative stuff in it (that's honestly done much better and more polished in Dragon Quest games), but the later remakes made so many QOL improvements. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/14/20 10:55:36 AM #25:	Yeah its a buggy mess as well. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:942093797] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Yeah its a buggy mess as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/14/20 10:58:36 AM #26:	Buggy and full of programming errors, yet still pretty good for the time. It's just too bad the Ultima ports on NES are vastly underrated. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942093909] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Buggy and full of programming errors, yet still pretty good for the time. It's just too bad the Ultima ports on NES are vastly underrated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/14/20 10:59:57 AM #27:	I may have to give those a try. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:942093955] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>I may have to give those a try. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 07/14/20 11:02:23 AM #28:	Out of those, I'd say SMB and LoZ are by far the most tolerable nowadays (and were the best back then too tbqh). <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:942094053] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Out of those, I'd say SMB and LoZ are by far the most tolerable nowadays (and were the best back then too tbqh). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/14/20 11:04:21 AM #29:	DevsBro posted... If I ever do another run, I'd probably either go Fighter Fighter Fighter Fighter or Fighter Fighter Fighter White Mage. Four Monks becomes a lawnmower party somewhere around level 10. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942094143] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>If I ever do another run, I'd probably either go Fighter Fighter Fighter Fighter or Fighter Fighter Fighter White Mage.</quote>Four Monks becomes a lawnmower party somewhere around level 10. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/14/20 11:06:42 AM #30:	chrono625 posted... The GBA/PSP version is far more enjoyable. I mean. Theyre ok if youre that into RPGs. But theyre very simplistic. They're radically different games. The PSP version is more like a true FF1 remake while the GBA is just the same shit as the PS1 game but with MP and a new dungeon. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:942094234] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>chrono625 posted... </cite> <quote>The GBA/PSP version is far more enjoyable. I mean. Theyre ok if youre that into RPGs. But theyre very simplistic.</quote> They're radically different games. The PSP version is more like a true FF1 remake while the GBA is just the same shit as the PS1 game but with MP and a new dungeon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/14/20 11:13:58 AM #31:	PSP version it is then. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:942094528] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>PSP version it is then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 07/14/20 11:17:30 AM #32:	Never played the original NES version, but the ports and remakes and whatnot I've played have been pretty great. I think the first time I played it was the PS1 version. I kind of resent more recent versions where they've revamped the magic system. It was great and there was no reason to change it other than because it was different, in which case they should officially apologize for FF8. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:942094667] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Never played the original NES version, but the ports and remakes and whatnot I've played have been pretty great. I think the first time I played it was the PS1 version. I kind of resent more recent versions where they've revamped the magic system. It was great and there was no reason to change it other than because it was different, in which case they should officially apologize for FF8.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 07/14/20 11:44:34 AM #33:	Tyranthraxus posted... They're radically different games. The PSP version is more like a true FF1 remake while the GBA is just the same shit as the PS1 game but with MP and a new dungeon. I didnt mean the remakes were simplistic. I meant the original versions on the NES. My mistake for not clarifying. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:942095761] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>They're radically different games. The PSP version is more like a true FF1 remake while the GBA is just the same shit as the PS1 game but with MP and a new dungeon.</quote> I didnt mean the remakes were simplistic. I meant the original versions on the NES. My mistake for not clarifying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Popo 07/14/20 1:04:02 PM #34:	spikethedevil posted... PSP version it is then. @spikethedevil If it possibly makes things any simpler for you, there are mobile ports of the PSP version on iOS and Android. Ive played the iOS version and it works fine. Although from what Ive read, the Android version does not include the additional post-game dungeons that were added to the PSP game (iOS does include it). --- Live action Hungry Hungry Hippos though, now that was a sport. ~Aeon Azuran <cite>The Popo posted [p:942099030] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>PSP version it is then.</quote> @spikethedevil If it possibly makes things any simpler for you, there are mobile ports of the PSP version on iOS and Android. Ive played the iOS version and it works fine. Although from what Ive read, the Android version does not include the additional post-game dungeons that were added to the PSP game (iOS does include it). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/14/20 1:06:39 PM #35:	I have a PSP and prefer actual buttons but thanks for the info none the less. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:942099148] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>I have a PSP and prefer actual buttons but thanks for the info none the less. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 07/14/20 1:45:39 PM #36:	The first Final Fantasy is still the best turn based RPG on the system. Funnily enough, the latter-day remakes of Dragon Quest III have made it the vastly superior game, while later remakes of FF1 utterly bowdlerize the experience (even if they do make it more playable). --- I refuse to eat until I am hungry. Well, maybe just a little. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:942100772] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>The first Final Fantasy is still the best turn based RPG on the system. Funnily enough, the latter-day remakes of Dragon Quest III have made it the vastly superior game, while later remakes of FF1 utterly bowdlerize the experience (even if they do make it more playable). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMog123 07/14/20 1:54:12 PM #37:	philsov posted... Classes are imba; black mage, black belt, and thief are all generally worse than fighter, red mage, and white mage. The class design is great, IMO. You have Thief who is supposed to be the "run away" character (a really powerful tactic in that game) but ends up giving you a hardmode, Black Mage is another hardmode with a nuke button, and Black Belt starts off slightly weak and ends up a powerhouse. Picking your playstyle is part of the fun. Ports of the game are much more accessible to a modern audience, but they kill almost all the difficulty. FF1 is pretty well balanced, especially for its time period. Give it a shot and use some guides to read up on which spells actually work, or try a bug-fix patch. --- "You're sorely underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles." - adjl http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110218.gif <cite>ChocoboMog123 posted [p:942101133] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote> Classes are imba; black mage, black belt, and thief are all generally worse than fighter, red mage, and white mage.</quote>The class design is great, IMO. You have Thief who is supposed to be the "run away" character (a really powerful tactic in that game) but ends up giving you a hardmode, Black Mage is another hardmode with a nuke button, and Black Belt starts off slightly weak and ends up a powerhouse. Picking your playstyle is part of the fun. Ports of the game are much more accessible to a modern audience, but they kill almost all the difficulty. FF1 is pretty well balanced, especially for its time period. Give it a shot and use some guides to read up on which spells actually work, or try a bug-fix patch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emagdnE 07/14/20 1:55:14 PM #38:	Final Fantasy Great Pick one. --- I've never seen anything this beautiful in the entire galaxy... All right, give me the bomb. -Ultra Magnus <cite>emagdnE posted [p:942101170] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Final Fantasy Great Pick one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/14/20 1:57:13 PM #39:	Thief sucked but ninja is worth it. Since black magic sucks in that game Ninja gets access to all the spells that don't suck and you never need a Black mage. Of course you can do the same thing with Red mage as well though red mage does less damage than ninja. Black belt is the highest damage in the game why are people saying it's bad? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:942101250] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Thief sucked but ninja is worth it. Since black magic sucks in that game Ninja gets access to all the spells that don't suck and you never need a Black mage. Of course you can do the same thing with Red mage as well though red mage does less damage than ninja. Black belt is the highest damage in the game why are people saying it's bad? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/14/20 1:59:08 PM #40:	If you had never heard of a JRPG before, FF or DQ would seem to be made of magical crack. --- https://www.joincampaignzero.org/ Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:942101341] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>If you had never heard of a JRPG before, FF or DQ would seem to be made of magical crack. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/14/20 2:00:44 PM #41:	Tyranthraxus posted... Black belt is the highest damage in the game why are people saying it's bad? Some people never got the hint, when nunchucks disappeared about three towns into the game. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942101409] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Black belt is the highest damage in the game why are people saying it's bad?</quote>Some people never got the hint, when nunchucks disappeared about three towns into the game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 07/14/20 2:03:42 PM #42:	Final fantasy didn't really become a standout series until ff4. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:942101555] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Final fantasy didn't really become a standout series until ff4. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 07/14/20 2:05:14 PM #43:	At the time, Final Fantasy 1, and Dragon Quest and the other NES Final Fantasys were really a head of their time. Nowadays, if you are a fan of that old school style of RPG, they are still great. Especially for Challenge and Randomizer runs. Of course the newer remakes of those games are usually better. I dont think its an exaggeration to say that we wouldnt have RPGs like we have today if not for Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:942101628] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>At the time, Final Fantasy 1, and Dragon Quest and the other NES Final Fantasys were really a head of their time. Nowadays, if you are a fan of that old school style of RPG, they are still great. Especially for Challenge and Randomizer runs. Of course the newer remakes of those games are usually better. I dont think its an exaggeration to say that we wouldnt have RPGs like we have today if not for Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/14/20 2:10:43 PM #44:	Rikiaz posted... I dont think its an exaggeration to say that we wouldnt have RPGs like we have today if not for Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. Final Fantasy was such a blatant lift of D&D, that lawyers had at least one of the monsters redone. https://guides.gamercorner.net/ff/monsters/eye <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942101852] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Rikiaz posted... </cite> <quote>I dont think its an exaggeration to say that we wouldnt have RPGs like we have today if not for Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.</quote>Final Fantasy was such a blatant lift of D&D, that lawyers had at least one of the monsters redone. https://guides.gamercorner.net/ff/monsters/eye </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 07/14/20 2:21:52 PM #45:	Questionmarktarius posted... Final Fantasy was such a blatant lift of D&D, that lawyers had at least one of the monsters redone. https://guides.gamercorner.net/ff/monsters/eye Yeah and before Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, RPGs were super complex and obtuse that only super hardcore PC players played them. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:942102321] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Final Fantasy was such a blatant lift of D&D, that lawyers had at least one of the monsters redone. https://guides.gamercorner.net/ff/monsters/eye</quote>Yeah and before Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, RPGs were super complex and obtuse that only super hardcore PC players played them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Popo 07/14/20 2:21:52 PM #46:	Tyranthraxus posted... Since black magic sucks in that game Ninja gets access to all the spells that don't suck and you never need a Black mage. I wouldnt say that black magic sucks... its more limited due to the issue of having stocks per magic level. But early in the game, its fantastic when used appropriately. Tyranthraxus posted... Black belt is the highest damage in the game why are people saying it's bad? Agreed. Late game critical hits can be doing 1,000+ damage. And since you dont need weapons, it saves extra weapon slots to hold items that have magical properties. Solid Snake07 posted... Final fantasy didn't really become a standout series until ff4. Depends on who you ask. In Japan, FF3 was very celebrated. In the US, Id say it didnt become a standout series until FF7 (even though 4 & 6 had critical acclaim). --- Live action Hungry Hungry Hippos though, now that was a sport. ~Aeon Azuran <cite>The Popo posted [p:942102322] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Since black magic sucks in that game Ninja gets access to all the spells that don't suck and you never need a Black mage.</quote> I wouldnt say that black magic sucks... its more limited due to the issue of having stocks per magic level. But early in the game, its fantastic when used appropriately. Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Black belt is the highest damage in the game why are people saying it's bad?</quote> Agreed. Late game critical hits can be doing 1,000+ damage. And since you dont need weapons, it saves extra weapon slots to hold items that have magical properties. Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Final fantasy didn't really become a standout series until ff4.</quote> Depends on who you ask. In Japan, FF3 was very celebrated. In the US, Id say it didnt become a standout series until FF7 (even though 4 & 6 had critical acclaim). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 07/14/20 2:23:44 PM #47:	lots of nes/snes jrpgs are ruined by the high random encounter rate imagine a battle every 3 steps. its just not fun. --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:942102409] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>lots of nes/snes jrpgs are ruined by the high random encounter rate imagine a battle every 3 steps. its just not fun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/14/20 2:25:27 PM #48:	ModLogic posted... imagine a battle every 3 steps. its just not fun. Farming the Evil Eye, however, is pretty great. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942102489] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted... </cite> <quote>imagine a battle every 3 steps. its just not fun.</quote>Farming the Evil Eye, however, is pretty great. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/14/20 2:27:05 PM #49:	Rikiaz posted... Yeah and before Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, RPGs were super complex and obtuse that only super hardcore PC players played them. Well part of the reason FF and DQ exist is because those RPGS (mostly Ultima and Wizardry) were so stupidly popular in Japan but weren't a good fit for consoles so FF and DQ are themselves just taking the PC RPGs that were already there and dumbing them down to a controller with 2 buttons. DQ took mostly from Ultima while FF took from Wizardry. Questionmarktarius posted... Final Fantasy was such a blatant lift of D&D, that lawyers had at least one of the monsters redone. https://guides.gamercorner.net/ff/monsters/eye And speak of the devil, you know what the original name of Wizardry was? Dungeons & Dragons They ran into... uhh... A little legal trouble and ended up changing it to Wizardry. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:942102542] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>Rikiaz posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah and before Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, RPGs were super complex and obtuse that only super hardcore PC players played them.</quote> Well part of the reason FF and DQ exist is because those RPGS (mostly Ultima and Wizardry) were so stupidly popular in Japan but weren't a good fit for consoles so FF and DQ are themselves just taking the PC RPGs that were already there and dumbing them down to a controller with 2 buttons. DQ took mostly from Ultima while FF took from Wizardry. Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Final Fantasy was such a blatant lift of D&D, that lawyers had at least one of the monsters redone. https://guides.gamercorner.net/ff/monsters/eye</quote> And speak of the devil, you know what the original name of Wizardry was? Dungeons & Dragons They ran into... uhh... A little legal trouble and ended up changing it to Wizardry. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Popo 07/14/20 2:27:12 PM #50:	ModLogic posted... lots of nes/snes jrpgs are ruined by the high random encounter rate imagine a battle every 3 steps. its just not fun. I never really thought FF1 was all that bad with random encounters, TBH. Although someone who doesnt know about the Hall of Giants and wonders over there on their first play through would be thinking WTF is this shit... --- Live action Hungry Hungry Hippos though, now that was a sport. ~Aeon Azuran <cite>The Popo posted [p:942102548] in Was Final ... [t:78845790]...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted... </cite> <quote>lots of nes/snes jrpgs are ruined by the high random encounter rate imagine a battle every 3 steps. its just not fun.</quote> I never really thought FF1 was all that bad with random encounters, TBH. Although someone who doesnt know about the Hall of Giants and wonders over there on their first play through would be thinking WTF is this shit... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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