Current Events > Is this post about Corona 1% mortality rate accurate?

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RoadsterUFO posted...

The same people protesting and rioting weeks prior wanted police to beat the fuck out of and arrest people going outdoors in the park with few to no people around. Activities outdoors with sunlight, fresh air, and social distancing warrant police violence to enforce the protocols, but mass gathering at an essential grocery store indoors is dandy lol. Mass gathering for social justice does not warrant police violence to enforce pandemic protocols of keeping your ass at home to save lives.

That's interesting I thought we were talking about the experts a minute ago, not the opinion or the actions of the general population.

And didn't you guys want to roll in the military on the protestors? And wasn't that not only the opinion of many of the general population on your side but also the president and some republican senators?

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Ah the classic, but Trump! card. Two things can be true. Trump holding rallies in a pandemic and mass gathering for protesting and rioting for social justice in a pandemic are both dumb as fuck lol.

But it's not an equivalency.

One is the general population protesting.

The other is by the actions of our nations leader who should be doing everything he can to get the pandemic under control.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Ah the classic, but Trump! card. Two things can be true. Trump holding rallies in a pandemic and mass gathering for protesting and rioting for social justice in a pandemic are both dumb as fuck lol.

Trump is the one whose deliberate messaging of downplaying the threat of COVID19 has enabled the public, especially in southern states, to act like nothing's wrong and treat mask-wearing like it's some kind of fucking Bill of Rights violation.

I spent nearly all of March asking why I couldn't get tests for any of the patients I was pretty sure had COVID19. All while, on TV, Trump is talking about how they have so many tests and the response is perfect. Then, Redpiller/QAnon types start spreading bullshit like #FilmYourHospital and deliberately claiming that doctors/hospitals were faking COVID19 cases for profit, and it started to spill over into actual GOP congressional candidates. Trump deliberately spread distrust about Fauci, when Fauci was basically the only one in government willing to adjust his views and recommendations based on the evidence as it became available.

Trump spent five fucking months not wearing a mask and insisting that his response was the greatest in history, while Fauci at least had the decency to adjust his views/recommendations as new information came out. Trump doubled and tripled down on hydroxychloroquine even when physicians (myself included) knew firsthand it wasn't working and could potentially endanger patients on QTc prolonging medications.

His messaging of indifference and disdain for medical/public health authorities was mirrored directly by his followers, and now the southern US is basically fucked.

I'm the one admitting these patients, and to be literally in a patient's room holding a phone to their ear so they can say goodbye to their daughter before they get intubated while, on TV, there are literally QAnon-type morons claiming it's all a hoax? It was absolutely appalling.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Theyre both dumb as fuck. One does not simply equate to not being stupid simply because one group in this shares your preferred political views.

The BLM protestors aren't in charge of handling the pandemic lmfao.


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I hate the perception of the mortality rate tbh. Too many look at it and go "oh only 1-3% of us are gonna die. Why should I care???" Ignoring that the number may change and that 1% of us dying in a short time is still a heavy toll.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

But Trump! is not a valid excuse to be a little bitch that cannot bring it upon themselves to say mass gathering for social justice is not okay in the battle to mitigate the spread of COVID-19.

It's already been explained. You can potentially make the protests WORSE by trying to stop them.

And that's funny because all of you do the exact same tactic when you argue politics. Just point to vague / perceived hypocrisy on the left and call it a day.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Literally every scientist that is not a quack that has been disfranchised from their field: Stay the fuck home!

Also literally the same people: Meh, I dont wanna be called a racist by a bunch of leftists that share my preferred political views.

A stay at home order from the governor of California isn't going to stop a massive global scale protest. You are equivocating to unlike things again.

You are a robot. It's been explained already. There was no contradiction in how public health experts reacted to the situation. It's just the perceived hypocrisy you are trying to point to when none is there.


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Good insight, @DarkRoast .

I say we nominate you to be the health representative of CE. That way you can continue to shut all the naysayers down ;)

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If you have been struck by lightning and die while having covid, would that be listed as a covid death?

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FLOUR posted...

If you have been struck by lightning and die while having covid, would that be listed as a covid death?

No.

Now, one thing to consider. When hospitals are getting overran, and ICU beds and ERs are full, other medical emergencies are impacted too.

People have died because they cant get the care they need due to the capacity of hospitals. Should those count as Covid deaths? I dont think so. BUT. Those people might have survived if this pandemic wasnt a thing.

I feel like counting those deaths is actually appropriate, possibly.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Experts: Stay home, it could save lives!

*Mass rioting and protests over George Floyd begins.*

Experts: *crickets*

Yes, experts changed their mind as new evidence came to light - and were proven correct in the studies afterwards. What's your question or observation here?

Also, since you keep changing topics/refusing to answer questions, I've summarized them:
1) Did experts say "COVID doesn't exist if protesting" or "The risks are low"?
2) Which public health experts said "rioting doesn't spread COVID"?
3) Studies afterwards showed there was minimal spread. Do you believe those were wrong?
4) Why is it so important for you to assign significant spread to protests?

The case study on the state of NY suggests the death rate is less than .1%, closer to .01% (which is still quite high and worth being alarmed about, but 1/100 dying is just bullshit) and most of the really bad long lasting effects of Covid like heart and lungs damage are overblown

My sister lives in China and got the bad shit: scientists have already acknowledged the strain has watered down compared to what Wuhan got hit with, where the mortality rate was like 6%.

She is 25 and super fit with no pre-existing condition other hand she used to smoke but jogs frequently so should have pretty strong lungs: she was in the ICU on a respirator with pneumonia.

She made it and has "lung damage and scarring of the lungs" and people really overinflating what long term damage actually looks like.

Will she be an Olympic athlete/triathlon runner? Prob not. Was she able to build her endurance back up and be able to run again, even though her lungs were weakened from the pneumonia for a time? Absolutely. The heart damage caused by Covid is typical in any disease that causes a long term fever that spikes your blood pressure. Nothing shows Covid or ANY Coronavirus attacks your heart.

The lungs are one of the toughest organs in the body, and the stress on your heart from years of obesity and high blood pressure is worse than short term blood pressure spikes from having a prolonged fever.

Again, no Coronavirus attacks your cardio system explicitly. The people who report having strokes, deleria, and brain damage would come from having a prolonged fever, as long as the fever is adequately treated and kept down, long term brain damage and strokes from severe fevers is highly rare.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Ah the classic, but Trump! card. Two things can be true. Trump holding rallies in a pandemic and mass gathering for protesting and rioting for social justice in a pandemic are both dumb as fuck lol.

And interestingly you only criticize one side in this topic ...

Rebel_Patriot posted...

No one wants deaths, but shutting down the livelihoods of millions for something on par with the flu in terms of deaths, when nothing was shut down for the flu.

COVID already has over double the deaths of a bad flu season in the US, with a lot less cases. Should we stop producing flu shots because most people won't straight up die from the flu?

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Flu shots are worthless as a good bulk of the general public already do not take them. A COVID-19 vaccine will be as worthless as the people shouting stay home and avoid social activities of any sorts are under the ignorant assumption that a public that has bought into anti-vaxxer rhetoric are suddenly going to take the COVID-19 shot.

Wear a mask and wash your hands, go out and do whatever you want and or essentially need at your own risk.

Fact still stands that the flu isn't as deadly as COVID-19. It isn't really an apt comparison.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Fact still stands that COVID-19 is here to stay with anti-vaxxer quackery at an all time high. Measles and polio were defeated because the public took both serious. Sorry Im not telling you everything will be okay and back to normal once a vaccine is ready, give up on that false hope lol.

I'm not suggesting everything will be back to normal. I'm just saying COVID-19 is much more of a threat than the flu is.

The US is pretty much the laughing stock of the world with out we've handled COVID-19. Many other countries have contained the spread to a couple hundred new cases per day at the most.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

You need proof that mass gathering like idiots at the beach doesnt spread the virus!

Lots of protesters were wearing masks, though, so let's stop pretending they're the exact same situation.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

You need proof that mass gathering like idiots at the beach doesnt spread the virus!

Actually gathering in beaches isnt considered the problem. Its the people who go to bars and hotels that are.

what part of it spreads easier indoors is too hard for you?

RoadsterUFO posted...

Sweat and heat are still a thing lol.

Agreed, but let's stop pretending a large gathering with most people wearing masks is the same thing as a large gathering where the vast majority of people aren't wearing masks.

Edit: Wait, does the virus spread through sweat?

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This roadster dude probably is only against the protests because he just associates blm with communism. There is no reasoning arguing with people inflicted by extreme red scare

https://covid19.fas.org/95046-about-novel-coronavirus-2019/gwa95s8euh

There is no evidence that the virus can be spread through sweat.

I don't think sweat was has ever been listed as one of the transmission methods of COVID-19.

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yep gone full balls to walls strawman

RoadsterUFO posted...

Your point is to support BLM for criminal justice reform, yet ignore their quackery platform beyond that. This is as ignorant as supporting the NRA for gun rights, but ignoring their history of supporting gun control or shutting the fuck up when a police officer violates a black persons rights lol.

Bruh almost nobody who does that blm activism talks about trade.

im sure you will find some fringe idiot and then try to demonize the entire movement because some communist on twitter said something you dont like. Red scare derangement syndrome people are the worst

RoadsterUFO posted...

You can be for police and criminal justice reform while simultaneously acknowledging that Communist organizations like BLM deserves zero support and zero pennies going their way.

is your mouth open 99 percent of the time or more?

RoadsterUFO posted...

Communist organizations like BLM

LMAO

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Neoliberal types are just conservatives who havent realized, they are conservative yet.

To answer your question, there were no sources to back up any of those claims, so it's doubtful. Plus the distribution of people that die or need hospitalization is heavily skewed towards the elderly.

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hey i understand racists, classists, and all sorts of hateful people wanna say the protests were super spreaders and hypocritical and shit, but doesnt the data overwhelmingly show that to not be the case

RoadsterUFO posted...

Ah the classic, but Trump! card. Two things can be true. Trump holding rallies in a pandemic and mass gathering for protesting and rioting for social justice in a pandemic are both dumb as fuck lol.

The protestors were wearing masks

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Your point is to support BLM for criminal justice reform, yet ignore their quackery platform beyond that. This is as ignorant as supporting the NRA for gun rights, but ignoring their history of supporting gun control or shutting the fuck up when a police officer violates a black persons rights lol.

NRA is a specific organization and political lobby. BLM is a movement with many groups sharing a basic message but having their own individual agendas. Next you'll call Antifa or conservatism/liberalism an organization.

Also, still no proof that any protests or beaches are to blame for the COVID spikes

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Sweat and heat are still a thing lol.

Look up what particles per cubic meter means

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I know a guy who was on a ventilator (he's 32) with it.
He almost died but ended up making it. His father's only contact with him in his potentially final days was over the telephone to his ICU nurse.
He did live though. But he was sick for like a month after getting out of the hospital.
People who act like death rate are all that matter are a special kind of dumb.

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Anticyclonic posted...

I know a guy who was on a ventilator (he's 32) with it.
He almost died but ended up making it. His father's only contact with him in his potentially final days was over the telephone to his ICU nurse.
He did live though. But he was sick for like a month after getting out of the hospital.
People who act like death rate are all that matter are a special kind of dumb.

The cognitive damage is what concerns me more than anything

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