Current Events > MCU: 20 films of male fan service...

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1 scene of Fan service for girls and people lose their fucking minds.

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Literally every main male character has done atleast one shirtless scene.

inb4 those are actually for the dudes.

Where's Kathleen Kennedy when you need her? We need more women power in the MCU

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There's a shit ton of fan service for girls in the Marvel movies and positive reactions to it too.
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I feel like TC is missing the point, lol.
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BakonBitz posted...

I feel like TC is missing the point, lol.

Youre clearly missing the point.

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Do you mean the Endgame scene? They did kind of do a shit job building any good female heroines over a decade though. I actually like Captain Marvel and Carol as a character, but that's about it in terms of major powerful women.

I would be all for a big Girl Power scene if it actually had enough people worth a damn.

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Hayame Zero posted...

Do you mean the Endgame scene? They did kind of do a shit job building any good female heroines over a decade though. I actually like Captain Marvel and Carol as a character, but that's about it in terms of major powerful women.

I would be all for a big Girl Power scene if it actually had enough people worth a damn.

Black Widow
Gamora
Nebula
Wasp
Scarlett Witch
Pepper
Okoye
Shuri
Valkyrie

Is that everyone? Theyre all awesome in their own way and some are better than the rest. Nebula and BW the shit IMHO


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SwayM posted...

Shuri

I find her to be kinda smug and unlikable though. She's definitely little sister bratty.

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Hayame Zero posted...

Do you mean the Endgame scene? They did kind of do a shit job building any good female heroines over a decade though. I actually like Captain Marvel and Carol as a character, but that's about it in terms of major powerful women.

I would be all for a big Girl Power scene if it actually had enough people worth a damn.

I think the problem with the endgame girl power scene was just throwing every girl they had introduced in the series basically into that one scene, and it felt weirdly out of place with the rest of the ending.

Thats not a problem with girl power kickass scenes, the one in Infinity War was awesome.

The issue with that scene isnt that its female fanservice. Its that it feels like it was added without any thought to how it would flow into the movie as a whole.

It isnt And then Thor and Captain America fight Thanos together because theyre two of the main members of the Avengers., it was Lets put in a girl scene because this movie needs a girl scene. It was super noticeable and distracting.

Im not sure if there was a similar scene in Infinity War as Proto_Spark said, but if there was, the fact that I missed that it was a girl power scene speaks to how much better it worked.

Kami_no_Kami posted...

Im not sure if there was a similar scene in Infinity War as Proto_Spark said, but if there was, the fact that I missed that it was a girl power scene speaks to how much better it worked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oun-sgQbssQ

Its waaaayyyy less on the nose about it. Also like 1/2 the length, so I could see why the endgame one might be preferable to some for the whole girl power moment, but this fit a lot better into the movie and only used the female characters that were present.

Proto_Spark posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oun-sgQbssQ

Its waaaayyyy less on the nose about it. Also like 1/2 the length, so I could see why the endgame one might be preferable to some for the whole girl power moment, but this fit a lot better into the movie and only used the female characters that were present.

This is what I meant when I said TC didn't get the point of the complaints, lol. The Endgame scene is complained about BECAUSE it felt so forced and on-the-nose, when Infinity War had a similar scene but done much better.

Also yeah there's plenty of fanservice for females in the series. We forgetting about the whole "America's Ass" thing?
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This is exactly what Im taking about lol

Yes there was an awesome female power scene in Infinity War too.

Guess what guys, its all one side of the same coin.

Saying the one in Endgame is forced is completely missing the point and making you look extremely petty.

The Russos absolutely went out of their way make a point with that scene and all the better for it. Male audiences seeing a screen full of male superheroes teaming up isnt forced because its been the norm for decades now. Cap/Iron Man/Thor have checked every fan service box on the fucking list and then some by themselves.

God forbid female audiences get a scene showing all the heroes they can identify on scene at once.

A couple scenes and characters here and there is just a drop in the bucket to what is a predominately male roaster and male focus across all the films. The fact that a screen full of female characters is so quickly seen as unnatural and forced proves my point completely. Get used to it duders. Its not gonna hurt you to let females steal the show.

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SwayM posted...

This is exactly what Im taking about lol

Yes there was an awesome female power scene in Infinity War too.

Guess what guys, its all one side of the same coin.

Saying the one in Endgame is forced is completely missing the point and making you look extremely petty.

The Russos absolutely went out of their way make a point with that scene and all the better for it. Male audiences seeing a screen full of male superheroes teaming up isnt forced because its been the norm for decades now. Cap/Iron Man/Thor have checked every fan service box on the fucking list and then some by themselves.

God forbid female audiences get a scene showing all the heroes they can identify on scene at once.

A couple scenes and characters here and there is just a drop in the bucket to what is a predominately male roaster and male focus across all the films. The fact that a screen full of female characters is so quickly seen as unnatural and forced proves my point completely. Get used to it duders. Its not gonna hurt you to let females steal the show.

No, the problem is that Marvel has done a shit job of promoting their female heroes. They neglected them for decades and then when they started to finally do it they started by patting themselves on the back and saying yay girl power.

The reason nobody would complain about Thor, Cap, and Iron Man getting a significant scene facing Thanos on their own is because Marvel built their entire franchise around those men. Black Widow was an Avenger from the beginning, and has been getting Hawkeye treatment the whole time. They just suddenly decided to make her relevant in Endgame and in her movie as a side effect to their we do girls now thing that theyve been doing since Infinity War (then Captain Marvel and Endgame).

By comparison, look at the DCEU. Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, and Mera have been shown to be incredible badasses from the beginning and not treated as that other member of the team in any of their appearances, so when they have WW face off against Steppenwolf, or Mera take on a bunch of Atlantean Assassins, it feels natural. Then theres Black Canary and the Huntress who were introduced well in BoP (although some people bitch about that being an SJW movie just because all the leads are female) and were also well written, strong women.

This isnt to say that Marvel hasnt written any women well, as I think they nailed Black Widow (eventually), Valkyrie, and especially Wasp and Scarlett Witch. This is just to say that their girl power fanservice is unearned because they neglected to treat female heroes well for a long time and are suddenly acting like theyve been working on this epic moment for decades and gave them the fanfare they deserve, all while they lump in nothing characters like Pepper and Shuri, with poorly written ones like Carol, and then act like theyre as important as Witch, or as well handled as Wasp or Gamora.

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That scene in Endgame was funny. Its a kids film though so whatever.

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ohiostate124 posted...

Literally every main male character has done atleast one shirtless scene.

inb4 those are actually for the dudes.

Well, you see, that's male empowerment. You see a shirtless guy and you're supposed to be motivated to get in shape (and maybe grow taller/handsomer). Women in similar positions is pure objectification. :v

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Yeah, the MCU sure is loaded with hot guys

oh... I suppose that isn't what TC is referring to

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I thought TC meant the America's ass scene

iPhone_7 posted...

That scene in Endgame was funny. Its a kids film though so whatever.

This. It was a little heavy handed, but so what? If anyone got a kick out of that scene its a win as far as Im concerned.

ohiostate124 posted...

Literally every main male character has done atleast one shirtless scene.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Funny thing is some women are into chubby guys, so there you go, lol.
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2SweetforTurtle posted...

By comparison, look at the DCEU. Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, and Mera have been shown to be incredible badasses from the beginning and not treated as that other member of the team in any of their appearances, so when they have WW face off against Steppenwolf, or Mera take on a bunch of Atlantean Assassins, it feels natural. Then theres Black Canary and the Huntress who were introduced well in BoP (although some people bitch about that being an SJW movie just because all the leads are female) and were also well written, strong women.

You did NOT just pat DC on the back for being a bubbling mess of bad characters in mostly terrible movies

This shows me that youre completely out to lunch here.

Black Widow has been set up to be a badass from day 1, which was 10 years ago in Iron Man 2. Where she was revealed to be a femme fatale super spy that could take on a compound of guards by herself with ease while Tony Starks head of security could barely manage to take out one jobber.

Then in Avengers shes shown to be quite comfortable to be tied to a chair but still gets all the information she needs from __Eastern European General__. These skills are also highlighted when its tasked on her to recruit to hulk and then also when she tricks the God of Mischief himself into revealing part of his plan.

Her strength and what she brings to the table is obvious to anyone whos been paying attention. Its not usually as visual as a character like Thor but that doesnt mean she hasnt been shown to kick serious ass in her own way. The writers and directors know how to use all their pieces though and show off their individual strengths in a way that makes sense for the character. Shes not going to be taking on Thanos in a 1v1 but she can take on a couple 7 foot aliens with their own weapons (and a little help from friends).

Black Widow is the most developed female character in the MCU thus far but others have their own value and moments too. Give credit where its deserved, Marvel knows how to use their characters. Theyre not neglected

The Wasp, Pepper, Gamora, Nebula, Shuri and Okoye for example are all very strong characters and have done a lot with what theyre given.

The females have been there and doing awesome things from the jump, and yeah it does feel well deserved at the end to go damn look at all the ladies we have accumulated on the field, lets shine some attention on them

They just have to share to screen with a lot of dudes and have been slow to get their own films.

And still anyone that hates that scene can take their Iron Man and Captain America action figures and play on their own.

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HISHE Endgame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VrjneFdZFI&t=208s

:P

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SwayM posted...

This is exactly what Im taking about lol

Yes there was an awesome female power scene in Infinity War too.

Guess what guys, its all one side of the same coin.

Saying the one in Endgame is forced is completely missing the point and making you look extremely petty.

The Russos absolutely went out of their way make a point with that scene and all the better for it. Male audiences seeing a screen full of male superheroes teaming up isnt forced because its been the norm for decades now. Cap/Iron Man/Thor have checked every fan service box on the fucking list and then some by themselves.

God forbid female audiences get a scene showing all the heroes they can identify on scene at once.

A couple scenes and characters here and there is just a drop in the bucket to what is a predominately male roaster and male focus across all the films. The fact that a screen full of female characters is so quickly seen as unnatural and forced proves my point completely.

That's not my issue with it, like a lot of MCU scenes that one was forced and it wasn't good. I don't really like the MCU movies as it is and that was just one more thing I didn't like about them. It was carny, and it wasn't built up well especially for what could have been a great scene.

Get used to it duders. Its not gonna hurt you to let females steal the show.

You're right its not gonna hurt me at least, but it will hurt if its forced and not built up well. Funny how the DC cartoons have no trouble with well built up females, yet the marvel movies do. I thought that one she hulk comic were she called all the females heroes to teach the red hulk a lesson because he was a sexist pig.

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The female fight scene in Infinity War was fluid to the movie.

The Endgame scene felt forced as fuck.

BakonBitz posted...

Funny thing is some women are into chubby guys, so there you go, lol.

honestly if Thor isn't fat in GotG3 or Love and Thunder I want my money back

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People keep saying forced as if that means anything.

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SwayM posted...

You did NOT just pat DC on the back for being a bubbling mess of bad characters in mostly terrible movies

This shows me that youre completely out to lunch here.

Black Widow has been set up to be a badass from day 1, which was 10 years ago in Iron Man 2. Where she was revealed to be a femme fatale super spy that could take on a compound of guards by herself with ease while Tony Starks head of security could barely manage to take out one jobber.

Then in Avengers shes shown to be quite comfortable to be tied to a chair but still gets all the information she needs from __Eastern European General__. These skills are also highlighted when its tasked on her to recruit to hulk and then also when she tricks the God of Mischief himself into revealing part of his plan.

Her strength and what she brings to the table is obvious to anyone whos been paying attention. Its not usually as visual as a character like Thor but that doesnt mean she hasnt been shown to kick serious ass in her own way. The writers and directors know how to use all their pieces though and show off their individual strengths in a way that makes sense for the character. Shes not going to be taking on Thanos in a 1v1 but she can take on a couple 7 foot aliens with their own weapons (and a little help from friends).

Black Widow is the most developed female character in the MCU thus far but others have their own value and moments too. Give credit where its deserved, Marvel knows how to use their characters. Theyre not neglected

The Wasp, Pepper, Gamora, Nebula, Shuri and Okoye for example are all very strong characters and have done a lot with what theyre given.

The females have been there and doing awesome things from the jump, and yeah it does feel well deserved at the end to go damn look at all the ladies we have accumulated on the field, lets shine some attention on them

They just have to share to screen with a lot of dudes and have been slow to get their own films.

And still anyone that hates that scene can take their Iron Man and Captain America action figures and play on their own.

Lmfao my dude youre so lost. I literally complimented Marvel for their take on several female leads. That doesnt change the fact that they did not treat female characters well for the majority of the time theyve been around. Black Widow did not receive any decent treatment until TWS, and then Joss Whedon went on to shit on her characterization as he always does, and reduce what was just turned into a complex character, into a glowing example of #menwritingwomen.

Marvel did not treat their female heroes well consistently until roughly 2016 (and thats not to say Gamora and Nebula were awful). First Black Widow and Witch in Civil War, then Okoye, then they nailed Gamora and Nebula in GOTG2, and then Wasp in AMATW.

You cant sit there and act like the scenes in Infinity War and Endgame are anything more than gestures.

See, we believe in women too!

Bullshit, where was that when you used Scarlett Johansson for sex appeal in Iron Man 2? Where was that when you avoided treating her as one of the boys in A1? Where was that when you had Pepper be in 5-6 movies and be nothing other than Iron Mans girlfriend who wanted to stop him from playing hero? Why are you suddenly acting like shes been a hero and give her her own suit in Endgame, like as if you treated her as one of the heroes the whole time, when you didnt?

My argument isnt fuck feminism. My argument is dont try to pat yourself in the back when you clearly havent done shit for the cause youre pretending to care about.

Why the hell do you think Tessa Thompson is preaching diversity as Marvels future? Why do you think Feige said the future is female? Why do you think were getting Lady Thor? Its because there wasnt enough of it in the past and theyre trying to make up for it.

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Literally the whole point of Endgame was fan service. I thought that scene was cute. I chuckled a little when they came in for the group shot. Y'all need to stop taking things so seriously.

specialkid8 posted...

Y'all need to stop taking things so seriously.

this is the internet

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Marvel sucks anyway

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2SweetforTurtle posted...

Lmfao my dude youre so lost. I literally complimented Marvel for their take on several female leads. That doesnt change the fact that they did not treat female characters well for the majority of the time theyve been around. Black Widow did not receive any decent treatment until TWS, and then Joss Whedon went on to shit on her characterization as he always does, and reduce what was just turned into a complex character, into a glowing example of #menwritingwomen.

What are you even taking about at this point

Joss puts BW on the map in Avengers. Joss is also the guy whos known for writing strong, complex female characters. I already detailed some of this already but you conveniently ignored that. Your reduction of these facts is just sad dude.

Youre also the same dude who just moments ago praised the DCIU. Thats the DC imploding Universe, not extended like marvel but rapidly destroying itself from the inside due to not having a modicum of talent or respect being utilized and failing so miserably in almost every way.

2SweetforTurtle posted...

Why the hell do you think Tessa Thompson is preaching diversity as Marvels future? Why do you think Feige said the future is female? Why do you think were getting Lady Thor? Its because there wasnt enough of it in the past and theyre trying to make up for it.

Theres no argument that men havent had their time to shine and more absolutely should be done for female leads. This topic is literally about that.

But Im not going to sit here and let you spout bullshit like Marvel hasnt done some awesome things with their girls along the way.

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Proto_Spark posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oun-sgQbssQ (click to expand)

Its waaaayyyy less on the nose about it. Also like 1/2 the length, so I could see why the endgame one might be preferable to some for the whole girl power moment, but this fit a lot better into the movie and only used the female characters that were present

The CGI is so fucking bad and the fight choreography is also shit.

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specialkid8 posted...

Literally the whole point of Endgame was fan service. I thought that scene was cute. I chuckled a little when they came in for the group shot. Y'all need to stop taking things so seriously.

MacDaMurderer posted...

The CGI is so fucking bad and the fight choreography is also shit.

Fire isnt hot and dogs arent awesome

this is what you sound like.

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Infinity War's scene was pretty bad because it invoked the "only women can fight women" ancient trope. The one in End Game was stupid because it makes no goddamn sense, even in a franchise that introduced time travel barely two hours before.

Reminder that they took away Nebula doing the "snap" and gave it to a male character while spouting about female empowerment.

Or

How Gamora kicks Star-Lord in the dick to run over to the whole groupshot because "women power"

The scene is awful, I have no idea why people like it.

Imagine if Mantis, Drax, Jimmy Woo, Helen Cho, and Wong were the ones given focus in wooo Asians amirite?

It just comes off as cringy when it is characters with nothing to do with each other, and one who was working for the villain all of three minutes ago and actually assaulted one of the good side just prior.

The_Ivory_Man posted...

Reminder that they took away Nebula doing the "snap" and gave it to a male character while spouting about female empowerment.

Took away?

Are you basing this shit because of what happened in the comics?

Oh my dude...

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

and one who was working for the villain all of three minutes ago and actually assaulted one of the good side just prior.

And one who just, two minutes ago, shot the evil version of her sister from 2014 and obviously changed allegiances

Its called: Paying attention to the movie

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SwayM posted...

Took away?

Are you basing this shit because of what happened in the comics?

Oh my dude...

Are you saying that if an adaptation of Sherlock Holmes made Irene Adler an idiot and the one who outsmarted Holmes was actually a man that wouldn't matter at all?

SwayM posted...

And one who just, two minutes ago, shot the evil version of her sister from 2014 and obviously changed allegiances

Its called: Paying attention to the movie

And who did she assault after that?

The_Ivory_Man posted...

Are you saying that if an adaptation of Sherlock Holmes made Irene Adler an idiot and the one who outsmarted Holmes was actually a man that wouldn't matter at all?

Ahh I see. So you're saying "The comics should be followed to a complete T with zero divergence." There should be no digression or leeway for the film makers to use as much or as little comic influence as they want. And especially no question for the audience of what's going to happen, zero suspense whatsoever. We should know EXACTLY what's going to happen in the movie based on the comics. And Thanos should have fucked the god of death too. On camera. Full penetration.

Brb hiring a skywriter to spell out Y I K E S over your house.

The_Ivory_Man posted...

And who did she assault after that?

lol you're slow on the come up aren't you?

She kneed Peter Quill in the balls because she doesn't know this dude and it's a very quick scene to the audience that her death isn't "undone" completely. The character buildup between the two is lost. That's what that scene does. It doesn't undo her shift in allegiance...good lord man

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SwayM posted...

lol you're slow on the come up aren't you?

No lol, you can't even remember scenes right.

Why are you getting so defensive about this btw? Do you have personal stake with someone who worked on that scene?

SwayM posted...

She kneed Peter Quill in the balls because she doesn't know this dude and it's a very quick scene to the audience that her death isn't "undone" completely. The character buildup between the two is lost. That's what that scene does. It doesn't undo her shift in allegiance...good lord man

So exactly how many people is she allowed to assault on her changed side before it doesn't count anymore?

SwayM posted...

Ahh I see. So you're saying "The comics should be followed to a complete T with zero divergence." There should be no digression or leeway for the film makers to use as much or as little comic influence as they want. And especially no question for the audience of what's going to happen, zero suspense whatsoever. We should know EXACTLY what's going to happen in the movie based on the comics. And Thanos should have fucked the god of death too. On camera. Full penetration.

Brb hiring a skywriter to spell out Y I K E S over your house.

Y I K E S so eliminating female roles is totally okay in your book?

Thanos doesn't have sex with the god of death, maybe if you actually knew what you were talking about it would be a good thing. He has the same overpopulation statement in the comic, but better explained there.

You could have brought up his waifu in the Infinity Gauntlet comic which is an actual thing.

And faithful adaptations are bad now? Really?

And yeah, reducing female characters' roles in the story while simultaneously trying to up play how good you are with female characters is cringy, why not give the major moments they had instead of taking them away. The biggest thing a woman does in Endgame to contribute to the plot is to kill herself. That's terrible.

Imagine how badass for female empowerment it would have been to see Nebula who has been tortured for decades by her abusive father be the one to undo his destruction after her relationship with her sister inspired her growth?

The_Ivory_Man posted...

Why are you getting so defensive about this btw? Do you have personal stake with someone who worked on that scene?

You're confusing defensive with "finding it amusing someone doesn't understand something so simple"

Easily confusing things I guess...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

So exactly how many people is she allowed to assault on her changed side before it doesn't count anymore?

https://youtu.be/tbyDivcZoo8?t=137

You new to these movies?

The_Ivory_Man posted...

Y I K E S so eliminating female roles is totally okay in your book?

lol you're virtue signaling is hilarious

I'm sure the Russo brothers and Markus and Mcfeely all probably did a huge chest bump and shotgunned a beer when they realised they could take away a "female role" and give it to a male

Or

And this might surprise you

Hulk performing the snap is a better choice for the main cast of characters and gives that character ark a much better feel. Also, again, back to paying attention to movies

The Nebula that was around during the "bring Everyone Back" snap was the EVIL Nebula. Or did you not watch or understand the movie? You would literally have to rewrite the entire movie and I guarantee it would be worse. It would have killed that character and ended her arc right there. Huge win for feminism right, killing off strong Female leads for absolutely no reason other to be faithful to the comics. Do you remember her arm getting chewed up by that forcefield when she collected the Power Gem? I'm sure the Avengers and audiences would have been cool with this character sacrificing her life for no reason when there are stronger characters that would have survived it.

Reducing one of the biggest moments in the film to a game of sexes is an absolute joke. Thinking that it was "removed" from Nebula and making it about gender is complete horse shit and it's quite obvious you don't understand the film.

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I think it's safe to say nobody ITT is going to get laid anytime soon

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HylianFox posted...

I think it's safe to say nobody ITT is going to get laid anytime soon

This sad thing is you dusted off the "no ones gonna get laid" joke when talking about nerd shit

I've literally not seen someone resort to that in years. It was like we evolved past it and it became pretty common knowledge nerd culture isn't hiding away in moms basements anymore. It was making billion dollars at the box office and becoming just a happily embraced thing without scrutiny.

Anyway. We don't care if you're not interested in the discussion. You're welcome to hit topic list.

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Nebula needs her own movie

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SwayM posted...

What are you even taking about at this point

Joss puts BW on the map in Avengers. Joss is also the guy whos known for writing strong, complex female characters. I already detailed some of this already but you conveniently ignored that. Your reduction of these facts is just sad dude.

Youre clearly a biased ignorant buffoon. Want to talk about facts? How about you take 5 minutes to google Joss Whedon sexism and read the constant examples of why hes a shit tier fake ass feminist. Hes not remotely what you give him credit for.

Black Widow was literally anything BUT a character in Avengers 1 and 2. The Russo Brothers gave people reasons to care for her and never treated her as just the female in the team.

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@Zithers

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