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Oatcakes
07/04/20 9:15:20 AM
#51:


SJWFaqs posted...
No. Comments made in private should be off limits from repercussions. I don't feel like we should be attempting to legislate and regulate private thought. There's no law that says people HAVE to like everybody.

Obviously things like recorded thoughts will result in a backlash (see: Hulk Hogan/Bubba The Love Sponge situation) and while the backlash may be justified it was still his private thoughts, even though they were recorded and later released to the public.

You appear to be confusing the law with a business choosing to fire people they don't believe represent the company in a good light.

They are two completely separate things.

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SRR Capdown
07/04/20 9:17:24 AM
#52:


SJWFaqs posted...
No. Comments made in private should be off limits from repercussions.

Why?

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SJWFaqs
07/04/20 9:17:30 AM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
On April 25, 2014, TMZ Sports released a recording of a conversation between Sterling and his mistress, V. Stiviano (born Mara Vanessa Perez, also known as Monica Gallegos, Vanessa Perez, and Maria Valdez).[45][46] In the recording from September 2013, a man confirmed to be Sterling was irritated over a photo Stiviano had posted on Instagram, in which she posed with Basketball Hall of Fame player Magic Johnson.[47][48] Sterling told Stiviano: "It bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast that you're associating with black people", and, "You can sleep with [black people]. You can bring them in, you can do whatever you want", but "the little I ask you is ... not to bring them to my games".
And? Again it's a PRIVATE conversation that was recorded and later released. Was there backlash? Sure. Was it justified? Probably. Did he deserve to lose what he did for it? Obviously society thought he did.
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CyricZ
07/04/20 9:18:33 AM
#54:


SJWFaqs posted...
Because I value people having the ability to have independent thoughts
Because you think people should get a mulligan on racist statements if there's only one other person in the room. This is the thing you're defending.

Both Sterling and Hogan said what they said to another person. No one's digging into their brains to pull things out. These words were said. Out loud.

And the only "misfortune" that befell them was the other person had the foresight to record the conversation.

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Wuhan
07/04/20 9:18:59 AM
#55:


Thoughts shouldnt be regulated, ideas shouldnt be regulated. Im against racism but the idea that you can only have a job if you believe a certain way is a dangerous precedent, very open to abuse.
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CyricZ
07/04/20 9:21:34 AM
#56:


Wuhan posted...
Im against racism but
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Happy 4th everyone!

Wuhan posted...
the idea that you can only have a job if you believe a certain way is a dangerous precedent
Speech, yo. Speech. Not belief. Not thought. All examples thus far have been people speaking out loud. To another person.

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SJWFaqs
07/04/20 9:22:31 AM
#57:


CyricZ posted...
Because you think people should get a mulligan on racist statements if there's only one other person in the room. This is the thing you're defending.

Both Sterling and Hogan said what they said to another person. No one's digging into their brains to pull things out. These words were said. Out loud.

And the only "misfortune" that befell them was the other person had the foresight to record the conversation.
Tell me though what was the end result? At the end of the day, Hogan sued Gawker and that resulted in a judgment that effectively put them out of business. That was a win for free speech and privacy.
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Wuhan
07/04/20 9:23:12 AM
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So when are you allowed to employ your freedom of speech when discussing ideas that society has deemed offensive?
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emblem boy
07/04/20 9:23:55 AM
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I'm strongly for separating work punishment from personal life. In cases where it's not clear or when the person has no real hiring power over people, I'm not for firing people.

Leave the firing for rare situations where the person has some type of high position or power that can actually impact other people
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SJWFaqs
07/04/20 9:24:17 AM
#60:


CyricZ posted...
All examples thus far have been people speaking out loud. To another person.
When speaking to another person in a private setting one should have a reasonable expectation of actual privacy. As I mentioned above, the courts agreed.
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AlabamaLove
07/04/20 9:24:48 AM
#61:


Wuhan posted...
Thoughts shouldnt be regulated, ideas shouldnt be regulated. Im against racism but the idea that you can only have a job if you believe a certain way is a dangerous precedent, very open to abuse.

Nah, racists don't deserve a job

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Chicken_Butt
07/04/20 9:25:04 AM
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Now there's a fucking July 2020 account in here? If you can't post on your mains, go away. Nobody wants to deal with cowards.

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Oatcakes
07/04/20 9:26:03 AM
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People always make me wonder how many people can actually read minds and assume everyone else can. Are they accidentally admitting they have the power of mind reading when they talk about thought crime?

Unless of course they're just getting confused between thoughts and expression (the thing people actually get sacked for).

So much muddying of the water in these topics from certain types.

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masticatingman
07/04/20 9:26:37 AM
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If youre gonna do it it should be applied across the board to anyone (whatever their racial background) making a racist statement at any level of the company. Which I extremely doubt would happen.

And in general Im against people being fired for social media postings.

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Oatcakes
07/04/20 9:26:57 AM
#65:


Wuhan posted...
So when are you allowed to employ your freedom of speech when discussing ideas that society has deemed offensive?

Whenever you like. The government won't arrest you.

The business that employs you though is free to fire you too.

It's a simple system and I'm not sure why you're so easily confused by it?

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Tenlaar
07/04/20 9:30:39 AM
#66:


On one hand, I fully understand a company not wanting to be associated with somebody who is drawing attention to themselves and racist beliefs they hold. On the other hand, a lot of people want it taken entirely too far, and it makes me wary of it from the start. When somebody goes viral for doing some dumb racist shit there aren't only people calling for them to get fired from their current job, there are people who want them to be fired from their job and kicked out of their home and denied work in the future and just full on ostracized for life.

I don't believe that anybody in this country should have to live in poverty so I damn sure can't support weaponizing it out of a desire for drastic social punishment.
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CyricZ
07/04/20 9:32:16 AM
#67:


Tenlaar posted...
I don't believe that anybody in this country should have to live in poverty
Then you've got a lot more work to do than preventing racists from being fired.

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Tenlaar
07/04/20 9:32:45 AM
#68:


CyricZ posted...
Then you've got a lot more work to do than preventing racists from being fired.
Did you think that you were making some kind of point here?
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Chicken_Butt
07/04/20 9:32:50 AM
#69:


Oatcakes posted...
It's a simple system and I'm not sure why you're so easily confused by it?
Concern trolling. Why accounts that new are even allowed to post here is beyond me.

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nemu
07/04/20 9:33:32 AM
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Something from two decades ago that probably doesnt reflect who they are, no.
Something from two decades ago that brings to light a massive problem with their current self, sure.
Something minor that is only racist to someone really reaching for something to be offended about, no.
Something unabashedly racist that can negatively affect the company, sure.
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meralonne
07/04/20 9:35:08 AM
#71:


emblem boy posted...
I'm strongly for separating work punishment from personal life. In cases where it's not clear or when the person has no real hiring power over people, I'm not for firing people.

Put aside the freedom to be a fucking racist in muh private life argument for a moment and look at it from a business perspective.

Can you be trusted to act in the best interests of your company if your judgment of your co-workers skill set is based on their skin color? No, you cant.


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CyricZ
07/04/20 9:35:24 AM
#72:


Tenlaar posted...
Did you think that you were making some kind of point here?
If your end goal is "I don't want people to live in poverty", then I hope I can see you on the ground hawking for universal income and social reform preventing people from being destitute and preventing people being punished for not being able to meet some kind of income level of survival.

Start there. Once goals there are achieved and "people losing their job" doesn't mean the end of their capacity for life, then I'm sure you'll be more okay with racists being fired.

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emblem boy
07/04/20 9:41:31 AM
#73:


meralonne posted...
emblem boy posted...
I'm strongly for separating work punishment from personal life. In cases where it's not clear or when the person has no real hiring power over people, I'm not for firing people.

Put aside the freedom to be a fucking racist in muh private life argument for a moment and look at it from a business perspective.

Can you be trusted to act in the best interests of your company if your judgment of your co-workers skill set is based on their skin color? No, you cant.



I kinda address that. Positions in some form of real power, I have no issue with the company looking into how that's cross overed into their job. If it's an actual situation of racism that we're talking about.
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ledbowman
07/04/20 9:45:25 AM
#74:


liberals are the most reactionary, unforgiving, censorious, punitive people in the country

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emblem boy
07/04/20 9:46:46 AM
#75:


Like, racists suck. If we're gonna fire people, it better be for real shit and not due to pressure from a few people. That's really all I'm trying to say
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Tenlaar
07/04/20 9:47:06 AM
#76:


CyricZ posted...
If your end goal is "I don't want people to live in poverty", then I hope I can see you on the ground hawking for universal income and social reform preventing people from being destitute and preventing people being punished for not being able to meet some kind of income level of survival.

Start there. Once goals there are achieved and "people losing their job" doesn't mean the end of their capacity for life, then I'm sure you'll be more okay with racists being fired.
Why are you posting this shit at me like I don't already think we should have more robust safety nets and a required living wage for all jobs while we move towards universal income and a largely post-labor society in the coming decades? Are you under the impression that I just think racists should be protected from poverty but other people should suffer?
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KiwiTerraRizing
07/04/20 9:48:06 AM
#77:


I like peoples actions and words having consequences.

Im a white guy originally from the Midwest and grew up in a very white community. Despite that Ive never used the N word, never worn black face and never said any racially offensive thing to anyone online or in person.

It is extremely easy not to be racist.

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joe40001
07/04/20 9:50:42 AM
#78:


It depends what you mean by "racist".

"Actively want to commit violence against another race because of a belief they are inferior" is one kind of racist.
"By virtue of being white you can't help but benefit from white privilege and as such you are participating in institutional racism" is another kind of racist.

The first one is probably going to negatively impact how well you can do at work. Which is basically my threshold for when somebody can be justifiably fired.

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CyricZ
07/04/20 9:52:39 AM
#80:


Tenlaar posted...
Are you under the impression that I just think racists should be protected from poverty but other people should suffer?
Hardly. Clearly your baseline is you don't want people to suffer in poverty, yet the question is how much are you willing to forgive for people to avoid being ground under the gears of the US capitalism machine?

Granted your initial argument does go into fantastical people who want others to actually be destitute for being racist, something I probably should have asked you to back up from the start.

By and large, what people really want out of racists is for them to not be in positions of power and influence.

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KeeperOfShadows
07/04/20 9:55:51 AM
#81:


Depends on the racist. If they haven't actually harmed anyone, I don't see they're racism as any of my business.

People are allowed to have fucked up beliefs. It's when they use those beliefs to justify harassing people that there's a problem.

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I4NRulez
07/04/20 10:05:01 AM
#82:


Yes, Im fine with it.

If youre exposed as a racist, setting aside the moral implications. Imagine the shit that it opens up for a company.

Company supports racism because they employ this guy

Company starts losing business and money. A company wont risk that for a replaceable person.

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ledbowman
07/04/20 10:07:00 AM
#83:


I4NRulez posted...
Yes, Im fine with it.

If youre exposed as a racist, setting aside the moral implications. Imagine the shit that it opens up for a company.

Company supports racism because they employ this guy

Company starts losing business and money. A company wont risk that for a replaceable person.

think of the poor corporations

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InfinityMonster
07/04/20 10:07:31 AM
#84:


emblem boy posted...
I'm strongly for separating work punishment from personal life. In cases where it's not clear or when the person has no real hiring power over people, I'm not for firing people.

Leave the firing for rare situations where the person has some type of high position or power that can actually impact other people
This tbh. People, especially white people, underestimate just how many people have racist beliefs.

If it's some really racist shit, then yeah, get rid of them. But if it's just stereotypes and whatnot, or things coming off jokes or memes, I can't condone someone losing a job, especially with the way shit is in the country, unless they're in a real position to impact people. Because a lot of people would be out of jobs.

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joe40001
07/04/20 10:10:21 AM
#86:


I4NRulez posted...
Yes, Im fine with it.

If youre exposed as a racist, setting aside the moral implications. Imagine the shit that it opens up for a company.

Company supports racism because they employ this guy

Company starts losing business and money. A company wont risk that for a replaceable person.

What is the logic of the rule?

I doubt you or anybody would say a company in Chicago "supports the Green Bay Packers" if they employ a Packer fan. So taking away the emotional side, I'm curious what the rule is.

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hockeybub89
07/04/20 10:17:25 AM
#87:


Actions have consequences. Apparently racists are too stupid to make sure they can't get caught.

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IShall_Run_Amok
07/04/20 10:18:34 AM
#88:


Doesn't bother me a bit. It's a good thing.

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MachineJaipur
07/04/20 10:20:27 AM
#89:


Kastrada posted...
I mean he got hit with a felony gun charge too. No school is going to keep a person with that charge on them.
@Kastrada

Admittedly I've only seen the video and a heard a little of the after math. Was it his gun? Or was it because he was strapped up when he pulled up? Did he not have the paperwork for it?
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archedsoul
07/04/20 10:21:47 AM
#90:


MachineJaipur posted...
@Kastrada

Admittedly I've only seen the video and a heard a little of the after math. Was it his gun? Or was it because he was strapped up when he pulled up? Did he not have the paperwork for it?
It's for pulling out his gun too. But I don't see him do that anywhere in the video.

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Cheater87
07/04/20 10:23:14 AM
#91:


I got a racist fired before felt great when I got a response back.

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Kastrada
07/04/20 10:23:34 AM
#92:


MachineJaipur posted...
@Kastrada

Admittedly I've only seen the video and a heard a little of the after math. Was it his gun? Or was it because he was strapped up when he pulled up? Did he not have the paperwork for it?

All I saw was he got hit with the felony gun charge. I don't know what it entails.

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ledbowman
07/04/20 10:25:41 AM
#93:


we live in a time when it's a novel concept for grown adults to mind their own business and not be little fucking tattle tales

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hockeybub89
07/04/20 10:28:15 AM
#94:


ledbowman posted...
we live in a time when it's a novel concept for grown adults to mind their own business and not be little fucking tattle tales
Fuck that shit

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Bio1590
07/04/20 10:34:19 AM
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Tbh even as a white person I wouldn't be comfortable working with someone I knew was openly racist
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MachineJaipur
07/04/20 10:43:54 AM
#98:


archedsoul posted...
It's for pulling out his gun too. But I don't see him do that anywhere in the video.
Yeah I don't remember seeing that. It certainly wasn't when he first came into the scene because they'd have been screaming about him having a gun.

Maybe it'll be dropped. Still, don't think he should've lost his job. Admin leave with or without pay til an investigation concludes would've seemed fitting, ironically.
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1NfamousACE_2
07/04/20 10:49:41 AM
#99:


Bio1590 posted...
Tbh even as a white person I wouldn't be comfortable working with someone I knew was openly racist

Preach white man

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Teenman
07/04/20 10:51:29 AM
#100:


The problem with firing people over racism is the definition keeps changing. Firing someone 10 years ago for racism would have been fine. Now, Im not so sure. People are labeled racists and bigots for having different views. At this point, we are just creating angry people that feel ostracized. This will just cause more racism and eventually someone or multiple someones are going to start shooting up workplaces.

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LordMarshal
07/04/20 10:52:34 AM
#101:


Anything slightly offensive im emailing their employer to get them fired.

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Rexdragon125
07/04/20 10:54:18 AM
#102:


Yikes some people here don't want to keep their hatred of minorities to themselves
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