Current Events > Iyo: Does the BLM movement help end or only perpetuates racism?

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Bottom line, the whole picture; does BLM help fight against racism or only incite it generally?

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Kobe wtf are you doing.

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Whats am alternate timeline where everyone just collectively says whelp, I guess systemic racism cant be helped. Well do nothing look like? More racist, or less racist?

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Kobe wtf are you doing.

Hopefully not riding in a helicopter.

It's not helping especially since they're staying away from black crime...

PCgamingIS_Best posted...

It's not helping especially since they're staying away from black crime...

What do you mean by that

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PCgamingIS_Best posted...

It's not helping especially since they're staying away from black crime...

Considering the subject of the movement is racially-charged police brutality, anything else is derailing.

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Kobe Bryant posted...

What do you mean by that

The recent shooting massacres in Chicago, children dead.

BLM was not there

PCgamingIS_Best posted...

The recent shooting massacres in Chicago, children dead.

BLM was not there

Were police involved?

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PCgamingIS_Best posted...

The recent shooting massacres in Chicago, children dead.

BLM was not there

Were the police?

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I don't believe it's efforts will change the minds of racists, they will remain racists. Alabama Bubba flying his confederate flag from his shitty truck isn't just gonna say tomorrow "Well, I was wrong. I'm not gonna be racist anymore." They will raise their fat inbred children to be racists and it's something that won't go away.

I think bringing prominent attention to it will remove a lot more of the blatant racist things in our society that had been deemed acceptable for too long, and help diversify the nation more, bringing a bit more understanding to what is and isn't okay and acceptable.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Were the police?

..yes?

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BLM movement could go about things so much better, but the lines of communication from rural white America to urban America are so far lost there is just no hope of finding any discord. Rather, they will just continue to drift apart until some legislation brings them together then over time they can build a level of communication or after something horrible happens.

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Both

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Kobe Bryant posted...

..yes?

Were the police the ones doing the shooting? Or - more to the point - was racially-influenced excessive violence perpetrated by agents of law enforcement that ostensibly exist to ensure for the safety of citizens of all races?

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People thought the 50s-70s Civil Rights Movement was only inflaming tensions and making things worse, an idea that is rightly ridiculed today. It will be the same with BLM. People think things are worse because BLM forces them to confront uncomfortable truths about society that they were either ignorant of or intentionally ignored.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

People thought the 50s-70s Civil Rights Movement was only inflaming tensions

Source

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Drug_Smoker posted...

Source

https://bit.ly/3eXNcWn
https://to.pbs.org/2D5lcSp

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bruh u dont deserve this username smh

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The second option. Their own 'about' page reinforces this. They only care about black, disabled, and undocumented folks.
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Slayer_22 posted...

The second option. Their own 'about' page reinforces this. They only care about black, disabled, and undocumented folks.

That doesn't seem too bad. Perhaps the other groups should create their own movement.

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Slayer_22 posted...

The second option. Their own 'about' page reinforces this. They only care about black, disabled, and undocumented folks.

Yes, and oncologists only treat cancer, not asthma. It doesn't mean that asthma doesn't matter.

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The23rdMagus posted...

Yes, and oncologists only treat cancer, not asthma. It doesn't mean that asthma doesn't matter.

Yeah, but Oncologists aren't pretending only cancer matters and the rest don't, are they? That's a bad example.

Drug_Smoker posted...

That doesn't seem too bad. Perhaps the other groups should create their own movement.

I mean, sure, but it doesn't help with the image of equality when you, instead, want to raise people up without focus on latinos, asians, native americans, indians, etc.
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Shablagoo posted...

bruh u dont deserve this username smh

It's easy to watch negroes throw balls in baskets. Hard to support them when they demand true liberation for their people

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Slayer_22 posted...

Yeah, but Oncologists aren't pretending only cancer matters and the rest don't, are they? That's a bad example.

Neither is BLM. It's a great example. It's not an oncologist's job to treat asthma.

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The23rdMagus posted...

Neither is BLM. It's a great example. It's not an oncologist's job to treat asthma.

They pretty much are. Their about us page focuses on police prejudice against BLACK folk. It points it out pretty specifically.
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Slayer_22 posted...

I mean, sure, but it doesn't help with the image of equality when you, instead, want to raise people up without focus on latinos, asians, native americans, indians, etc.

Were non-black minorities excluded from the Civil Rights legislation? A movement that black leaders spearheaded?

Police reform will help everyone, black, white, Asian, Latino, Natives.


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Slayer_22 posted...

They pretty much are. Their about us page focuses on police prejudice against BLACK folk. It points it out pretty specifically.

Keeping the analogy: does an oncologist treat things other than cancer, or do they leave non-cancer cases to other groups? It's not that they don't care about asthma patients, or that they don't matter, but it's not what their specialty is.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

I don't believe it's efforts will change the minds of racists, they will remain racists. Alabama Bubba flying his confederate flag from his shitty truck isn't just gonna say tomorrow "Well, I was wrong. I'm not gonna be racist anymore." They will raise their fat inbred children to be racists and it's something that won't go away.

I think bringing prominent attention to it will remove a lot more of the blatant racist things in our society that had been deemed acceptable for too long, and help diversify the nation more, bringing a bit more understanding to what is and isn't okay and acceptable.

agreed

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The23rdMagus posted...

Keeping the analogy: does an oncologist treat things other than cancer, or do they leave non-cancer cases to other groups? It's not that they don't care about asthma patients, or that they don't matter, but it's not what their specialty is.

what youre saying is that BLMs statement about police brutality is true, AND overall statements about solving police brutality in general is also a valid conversation we need to be having.


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Lol, "end racism"

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MFBKBass5 posted...

what youre saying is that BLMs statement about police brutality is true, AND overall statements about solving police brutality in general is also a valid conversation we need to be having.

Hit the nail on the head, sir. They're not the only doctors in the hospital. They're just the ones treating those particular patients.

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Slayer_22 posted...

They pretty much are. Their about us page focuses on police prejudice against BLACK folk. It points it out pretty specifically.

>Black people need to fix their communities
>Why are black people only worried about themselves?

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BLM as an ideal or philosophy is absolutely fine. If any race of people has proportionately struggled throughout history and faced all sorts of injustices and prejudices, it's the lives of blacks and Africans. I fully support that notion that they need to be treated the same as anyone else.

BLM the organization is not fine at all. Their founders are feminists and even stated themselves as trained Marxists years ago when the movement was first founded. Their agenda is undermining the black struggle and further dividing the black community, by means of "disrupting the nuclear family" (blacks are already statistically the group with the highest percentage of single-mother households with no father figure), and "dismantle cisgender privilege and uplifting black trans folk, especially black trans women". That basically means that they eventually want a radical leftist society of all black (LBGTQ) women/children, and no heterosexual black men. I do not support that notion at all, as it clearly further perpetuates racism and discrimination against their own race.

Not going to mention where the money goes that gets donated to them, that's a whole different issue.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

BLM as an ideal or philosophy is absolutely fine. If any race of people has proportionately struggled throughout history and faced all sorts of injustices and prejudices, it's the lives of blacks and Africans. I fully support that notion that they need to be treated the same as anyone else.

BLM the organization is not fine at all. Their founders are feminists and even stated themselves as trained Marxists years ago when the movement was first founded. Their agenda is undermining the black struggle and further dividing the black community, by means of "disrupting the nuclear family" (blacks are already statistically the group with the highest percentage of single-mother households with no father figure), and "dismantle cisgender privilege and uplifting black trans folk, especially black trans women". That basically means that they eventually want a radical leftist society of all black (LBGTQ) women/children, and no heterosexual black men. I do not support that notion at all, as it clearly further perpetuates racism and discrimination against their own race.

Not going to mention where the money goes that gets donated to them, that's a whole different issue.

To the bolded text: I fail to see that these are bad things.

To the italicized text: I fail to see that these are factual things.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Lol, "end racism"

HELP end racism

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They are marxist's.

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The23rdMagus posted...

Were the police the ones doing the shooting? Or - more to the point - was racially-influenced excessive violence perpetrated by agents of law enforcement that ostensibly exist to ensure for the safety of citizens of all races?

So black lives don't matter if they're not killed by white police?

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Game_Fan09 posted...

So black lives don't matter if they're not killed by white police?

Did I say white police?

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Gotem

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Those poll results are a huge fucking yikes

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised by CE

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Can't it be both? Maybe it persuades moderate whites and also makes racist whites even more racist and angry some how

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The23rdMagus posted...

Did I say white police?

No but, you said "racially-influenced excessive violence". Are we pretending people are concerned about asian supremacy in America?

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Balrog0 posted...

Can't it be both? Maybe it persuades moderate whites and also makes racist whites even more racist and angry some how

I see this as an absolute win. Makes it easier to see who the racists are.

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The23rdMagus posted...

To the bolded text: I fail to see that these are bad things.

To the italicized text: I fail to see that these are factual things.

That's because you are viewing the points as their own separate ideas, ignoring how they are exactly the way I described them. There's nothing wrong with being a feminist. There's nothing wrong with the idea of wanting men and women to have a more level playing field, or having some women tackle the status quo and push for a more direct role in society over some men (such as women that work and stay-at-home dads). There's nothing wrong with wanting to give more support to black trans women so that they're less ostracized and discriminated against.

But all those at the cost of alienating and discriminating the heterosexual men of their own race? That's literally textbook racism. And there are people that are just throwing their hard earned money at it.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

But all those at the cost of alienating and discriminating the heterosexual men of their own race? That's literally textbook racism. And there are people that are just throwing their hard earned money at it.

What evidence do you have that this is the intent, or even the effect? This is nonsense.

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The problem I have with peoples idea of fighting racism (not necessarily just a BLM thing) is it's usually just more violence.
When a racist person gets punched in the face for being racist it feels good and nice and like justice however it's not actually solving racism. If anything it makes it worse.


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KlRBEH posted...

Those poll results are a huge fucking yikes

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised by CE

What do you mean @kirbeh

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The23rdMagus posted...

What evidence do you have that this is the intent, or even the effect? This is nonsense.

The evidence is there on their website. It's right there, but hardly anyone bothers to actually read.



Note how much emphasis they put on women and LGBTQ individuals. That basically translates to them saying "black lives matter, but we care much more about the ones that aren't heterosexual black men".

It's textbook racism against themselves.

I'm not saying that women and LGBTQ don't deserve equal rights and treatment, but they do not have heterosexual men's best interests at heart.

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