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Questionmarktarius 07/02/20 10:04:27 AM #51:	Note that France has a typical 9-10% unemployment rate in the "good" times, and a consistent youth unemployment rate of about 20%. Orchestrion posted... My boss told me and my coworker that if we took "long periods" of PTO (more than a few days) for being sick then we'd be replaced. Your job needs done whether you're there to do it or not. If, however, your tasks can just wait for weeks at a time, why does your job even exist? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941565969] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Note that France has a typical 9-10% unemployment rate in the "good" times, and a consistent youth unemployment rate of about 20%. Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>My boss told me and my coworker that if we took "long periods" of PTO (more than a few days) for being sick then we'd be replaced.</quote>Your job needs done whether you're there to do it or not. If, however, your tasks can just wait for weeks at a time, why does your job even exist? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/02/20 10:04:48 AM #52:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Yeah like I said this is a really unhealthy way of reacting to being wrong. No, what you're doing is an example of that. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:941565983] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah like I said this is a really unhealthy way of reacting to being wrong.</quote> No, what you're doing is an example of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain 07/02/20 10:05:02 AM #53:	Orchestrion posted... My boss told me and my coworker that if we took "long periods" of PTO (more than a few days) for being sick then we'd be replaced. Yup that's also what happens. "You can take those days off, but we're gonna cut your hours or make your life a living hell when you get back." --- Without this nobody reads the last line of a post Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar <cite>ThunderTrain posted [p:941565989] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>My boss told me and my coworker that if we took "long periods" of PTO (more than a few days) for being sick then we'd be replaced.</quote> Yup that's also what happens. "You can take those days off, but we're gonna cut your hours or make your life a living hell when you get back." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/02/20 10:05:04 AM #54:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Yup. The labor laws here in the U.S. is half the reason the pandemic has gotten so bad. You literally have to choose between having money for basic necessities or your life....unless you're wealthy. Obey your boss or starve after becoming homeless. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:941565991] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>Yup. The labor laws here in the U.S. is half the reason the pandemic has gotten so bad. You literally have to choose between having money for basic necessities or your life....unless you're wealthy.</quote>Obey your boss or starve after becoming homeless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 10:05:27 AM #55:	Orchestrion posted... My boss told me and my coworker that if we took "long periods" of PTO (more than a few days) for being sick then we'd be replaced. Yeah, my gfs employer told her that she had to use annual leave if she gets quarantined (the cares act included paid sick leave for exactly this purpose, and employers must allow you to use that first) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941566004] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>My boss told me and my coworker that if we took "long periods" of PTO (more than a few days) for being sick then we'd be replaced.</quote> Yeah, my gfs employer told her that she had to use annual leave if she gets quarantined (the cares act included paid sick leave for exactly this purpose, and employers must allow you to use that first) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/02/20 10:07:14 AM #56:	Companies aren't even paying hazard pay anymore for those working in the pandemic. My girlfriend has been working throughout the entire thing and they dropped hazard pay after like a few weeks. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:941566073] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Companies aren't even paying hazard pay anymore for those working in the pandemic. My girlfriend has been working throughout the entire thing and they dropped hazard pay after like a few weeks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orchestrion 07/02/20 10:07:59 AM #57:	Questionmarktarius posted... Your job needs done whether you're there to do it or not. If, however, your tasks can just wait for weeks at a time, why does your job even exist? What do you do for income? I'm curious what people who are so openly hateful of other working people do for a living. --- https://imgur.com/N8KckAr https://imgur.com/LfbgFCJ <cite>Orchestrion posted [p:941566089] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Your job needs done whether you're there to do it or not. If, however, your tasks can just wait for weeks at a time, why does your job even exist?</quote> What do you do for income? I'm curious what people who are so openly hateful of other working people do for a living. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/20 10:09:21 AM #58:	Broseph_Stalin posted... now this is projection I directly responded to your post about wages in the U.S. vs. France and you never replied. --- No Venezuelan fishermen ever called me a Bernie Bro. <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:941566131] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>now this is projection</quote> I directly responded to your post about wages in the U.S. vs. France and you never replied. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/20 10:09:57 AM #59:	teepan95 posted... Alright, fine. I'm sure all the highest earners are decimated over only being able to buy one mercedes instead of five... No one is talking about the highest earners. We're talking MEDIAN income. The TYPICAL person in the US makes 10k more than their French counterpart. In fact the poorest 20% of Americans consume the same amount of goods and services as the average person in France! Our standards of living are just not comparable. teepan95 posted... >Makes a claim >"I refuse to back up my claim!" This is a weird way of refusing to admit you're wrong. Unemployment rates are literally public knowledge. teepan95 posted... Good thing our tax system is progressive then. And yet we still have the largest numbers of paid vacation time Imagine calling the French taxation system progressive lmao how did you think they pay for everything? The US is what progressive taxation actually looks like: <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:941566155] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>teepan95 posted... </cite> <quote>Alright, fine. I'm sure all the highest earners are decimated over only being able to buy one mercedes instead of five...</quote> No one is talking about the highest earners. We're talking MEDIAN income. The TYPICAL person in the US makes 10k more than their French counterpart. In fact the poorest 20% of Americans consume the same amount of goods and services as the average person in France! Our standards of living are just not comparable. teepan95 posted... </cite> <quote>>Makes a claim >"I refuse to back up my claim!"</quote> This is a weird way of refusing to admit you're wrong. Unemployment rates are literally public knowledge. teepan95 posted... </cite> <quote>Good thing our tax system is progressive then. And yet we still have the largest numbers of paid vacation time</quote> Imagine calling the French taxation system progressive lmao how did you think they pay for everything? The US is what progressive taxation actually looks like: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/20 10:12:41 AM #60:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... No, what you're doing is an example of that. I'm giving actual data and statistics and pointing out that everything has a cost. That other guy hasn't made a single argument and won't because he knows it's a losing battle. Now stop projecting. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:941566251] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>No, what you're doing is an example of that.</quote> I'm giving actual data and statistics and pointing out that everything has a cost. That other guy hasn't made a single argument and won't because he knows it's a losing battle. Now stop projecting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/02/20 10:15:27 AM #61:	Shablagoo posted... Have you seen how wages have been stagnant for 40 years here even as profits have skyrocketed? The corporations in the U.S. hate their workers. They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:941566356] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Have you seen how wages have been stagnant for 40 years here even as profits have skyrocketed? The corporations in the U.S. hate their workers.</quote> They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/20 10:16:48 AM #62:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Our standards of living are just not comparable. Two countries ranked directly next to each other in standard of living arent comparable? Interesting take. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings --- No Venezuelan fishermen ever called me a Bernie Bro. <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:941566401] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Our standards of living are just not comparable.</quote> Two countries ranked directly next to each other in standard of living arent comparable? Interesting take. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/20 10:17:49 AM #63:	Annihilated posted... They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so. Haha, none that Ive ever worked for. So there goes your claim. --- No Venezuelan fishermen ever called me a Bernie Bro. <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:941566444] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Annihilated posted... </cite> <quote>They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so.</quote> Haha, none that Ive ever worked for. So there goes your claim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 07/02/20 10:18:08 AM #64:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Imagine calling the French taxation system progressive lmao how did you think they pay for everything? I'm...not French??? I'm talking about Germany --- https://imgur.com/NlyIzM6 ~ Lara Croft and I, as drawn by Harpie! 'I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong' - NigerianKnight <cite>teepan95 posted [p:941566461] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote> Imagine calling the French taxation system progressive lmao how did you think they pay for everything?</quote> I'm...not French??? I'm talking about Germany</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/02/20 10:22:07 AM #65:	It's obvious he cherry-picked France to make the U.S. look better by comparison, and he failed at even doing that because they are directly comparable when it comes to standards of living. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:941566584] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>It's obvious he cherry-picked France to make the U.S. look better by comparison, and he failed at even doing that because they are directly comparable when it comes to standards of living. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/02/20 10:23:26 AM #66:	Annihilated posted... They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so. Skilled employees have significant scarcity, and thus are offered benefits to not work for some other company offering better bennies. Orchestrion posted... I'm curious what people who are so openly hateful of other working people do for a living. Think about how long the training was for various jobs you've had. That's how soon you can be replaced. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941566644] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Annihilated posted... </cite> <quote>They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so.</quote>Skilled employees have significant scarcity, and thus are offered benefits to not work for some other company offering better bennies. Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>I'm curious what people who are so openly hateful of other working people do for a living.</quote>Think about how long the training was for various jobs you've had. That's how soon you can be replaced. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orchestrion 07/02/20 10:28:31 AM #67:	Questionmarktarius posted... Skilled employees have significant scarcity, and thus are offered benefits to not work for some other company offering better bennies. Think about how long the training was for various jobs you've had. That's how soon you can be replaced. You didnt answer my question. --- https://imgur.com/N8KckAr https://imgur.com/LfbgFCJ <cite>Orchestrion posted [p:941566819] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Skilled employees have significant scarcity, and thus are offered benefits to not work for some other company offering better bennies. Think about how long the training was for various jobs you've had. That's how soon you can be replaced.</quote> You didnt answer my question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/20 10:28:38 AM #68:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... It's obvious he cherry-picked France to make the U.S. look better by comparison No the person said they have the most paid vacation time so I assumed he was talking about France and not a country with less time off. Not that it matters since our taxation system is still more progressive than Germany's and basically anything in Europe. And no our standard of living is not comparable. It's a fucking joke that the average French person consumes as many goods and services as the poorest people in the US do. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:941566822] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>It's obvious he cherry-picked France to make the U.S. look better by comparison</quote> No the person said they have the most paid vacation time so I assumed he was talking about France and not a country with less time off. Not that it matters since our taxation system is still more progressive than Germany's and basically anything in Europe. And no our standard of living is not comparable. It's a fucking joke that the average French person consumes as many goods and services as the poorest people in the US do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/02/20 10:31:30 AM #69:	Orchestrion posted... You didnt answer my question. Fine. A job requiring actual skill, that'll probably be outsourced within the decade anyway. No hatred, just awareness of how simple market mechanisms work. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941566913] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>You didnt answer my question.</quote>Fine. A job requiring actual skill, that'll probably be outsourced within the decade anyway. No hatred, just awareness of how simple market mechanisms work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/20 10:32:05 AM #70:	Broseph_Stalin posted... And no our standard of living is not comparable. It's a f*ing joke that the average French person consumes as many goods and services as the poorest people in the US do. Do you have a source for that? Because youve already been shown that the 2 nations rank directly next to each other in quality of life. --- No Venezuelan fishermen ever called me a Bernie Bro. <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:941566933] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>And no our standard of living is not comparable. It's a f*ing joke that the average French person consumes as many goods and services as the poorest people in the US do.</quote> Do you have a source for that? Because youve already been shown that the 2 nations rank directly next to each other in quality of life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/02/20 10:33:30 AM #71:	Questionmarktarius posted... Skilled employees have significant scarcity, and thus are offered benefits to not work for some other company offering better bennies. This applies to every employee working for a company, not just skilled ones. It is EXTREMELY rare for a direct hire to not have any of these benefits. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:941566984] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Skilled employees have significant scarcity, and thus are offered benefits to not work for some other company offering better bennies.</quote> This applies to every employee working for a company, not just skilled ones. It is EXTREMELY rare for a direct hire to not have any of these benefits. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/02/20 10:38:13 AM #72:	Shablagoo posted... Haha, none that Ive ever worked for. So there goes your claim. "There goes my claim" because of some random anecdotal evidence you're probably lying about. Ok boomer. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:941567170] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Haha, none that Ive ever worked for. So there goes your claim.</quote> "There goes my claim" because of some random anecdotal evidence you're probably lying about. Ok boomer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/02/20 10:39:40 AM #73:	Shablagoo posted... Do you have a source for that? Because youve already been shown that the 2 nations rank directly next to each other in quality of life. If the US and France are #15 and #16, while one mandates paid leave and the other does not, this would imply that mandatory paid leave isn't very essential to quality of life. Annihilated posted... This applies to every employee working for a company, not just skilled ones. It is EXTREMELY rare for a direct hire to not have any of these benefits. The janitor likely isn't getting the same compensation package as the IT manager. Assuming, of course, the janitor isn't contracted or outsourced anyway. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941567227] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Do you have a source for that? Because youve already been shown that the 2 nations rank directly next to each other in quality of life.</quote>If the US and France are #15 and #16, while one mandates paid leave and the other does not, this would imply that mandatory paid leave isn't very essential to quality of life. Annihilated posted... </cite> <quote>This applies to every employee working for a company, not just skilled ones. It is EXTREMELY rare for a direct hire to not have any of these benefits.</quote>The janitor likely isn't getting the same compensation package as the IT manager. Assuming, of course, the janitor isn't contracted or outsourced anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/20 10:40:20 AM #74:	Shablagoo posted... Do you have a source for that? https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-richer-than-most-nations-of-europe/ Shablagoo posted... Because youve already been shown that the 2 nations rank directly next to each other in quality of life. Please use actual metrics of quality of life and not some top 10 list you found on google. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:941567260] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Do you have a source for that?</quote> https://fee.org/articles/the-poorest-20-of-americans-are-richer-than-most-nations-of-europe/ Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Because youve already been shown that the 2 nations rank directly next to each other in quality of life.</quote> Please use actual metrics of quality of life and not some top 10 list you found on google. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orchestrion 07/02/20 10:43:14 AM #75:	Questionmarktarius posted... Fine. A job requiring actual skill, that'll probably be outsourced within the decade anyway. No hatred, just awareness of how simple market mechanisms work. IT? --- https://imgur.com/N8KckAr https://imgur.com/LfbgFCJ <cite>Orchestrion posted [p:941567373] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Fine. A job requiring actual skill, that'll probably be outsourced within the decade anyway. No hatred, just awareness of how simple market mechanisms work.</quote> IT? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/20 10:44:41 AM #76:	You said this: Annihilated posted... They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so. Its mind-boggling that you think all US companies provide all of this. Its such an unbelievably bizarre view to have. No job Ive worked has provided any of these. Even the last job I got, I outclassed thousands of people on the exam to get in and waited years for an opening. They originally told me Id get benefits. Then, when I was finally hired they were like, Oh yeah by the way we cant offer you benefits anymore thats fine, right? Sorry, but your evidence is whats anecdotal if you literally think all US companies offer that stuff. Its not even remotely true. Like, not even on Jupiter. One would have to leave the known universe to find any truth to your claim. --- No Venezuelan fishermen ever called me a Bernie Bro. <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:941567438] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>You said this: Annihilated posted... </cite> <quote>They hate their workers SO MUCH that they all provide paid holidays, sick time, and vacation days even when they're not legally obligated to do so.</quote> Its mind-boggling that you think all US companies provide all of this. Its such an unbelievably bizarre view to have. No job Ive worked has provided any of these. Even the last job I got, I outclassed thousands of people on the exam to get in and waited years for an opening. They originally told me Id get benefits. Then, when I was finally hired they were like, Oh yeah by the way we cant offer you benefits anymore thats fine, right? Sorry, but your evidence is whats anecdotal if you literally think all US companies offer that stuff. Its not even remotely true. Like, not even on Jupiter. One would have to leave the known universe to find any truth to your claim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 10:46:18 AM #77:	Annihilated posted... This applies to every employee working for a company, not just skilled ones. It is EXTREMELY rare for a direct hire to not have any of these benefits. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/12/as-coronavirus-spreads-which-u-s-workers-have-paid-sick-leave-and-which-dont/?amp=1 --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941567507] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Annihilated posted... </cite> <quote>This applies to every employee working for a company, not just skilled ones. It is EXTREMELY rare for a direct hire to not have any of these benefits.</quote> https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/12/as-coronavirus-spreads-which-u-s-workers-have-paid-sick-leave-and-which-dont/?amp=1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 07/02/20 10:51:46 AM #78:	DevsBro posted... Has minimum wage ever gone down? has inflation ever gone down? --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:941567715] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Has minimum wage ever gone down?</quote>has inflation ever gone down? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 10:51:52 AM #79:	Also it's hard to say how much of an impact this has had, but the first state mandate regarding paid sick leave passed in 2010 and about a dozen states have passed more since. So at least part of that increase in access is due to government action --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941567720] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Also it's hard to say how much of an impact this has had, but the first state mandate regarding paid sick leave passed in 2010 and about a dozen states have passed more since. So at least part of that increase in access is due to government action </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/02/20 10:53:01 AM #80:	Balrog0 posted... https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/12/as-coronavirus-spreads-which-u-s-workers-have-paid-sick-leave-and-which-dont/?amp=1 At risk of yet another "OMG you hate laborers!", which is going to happen anyway, note that robots and touchscreens would not get mandated paid leave. Anyone who is more cost-effective to replace with automation, will very likely have unlimited (but unpaid) leave fairly quickly. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941567772] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/12/as-coronavirus-spreads-which-u-s-workers-have-paid-sick-leave-and-which-dont/?amp=1</quote>At risk of yet another "OMG you hate laborers!", which is going to happen anyway, note that robots and touchscreens would not get mandated paid leave. Anyone who is more cost-effective to replace with automation, will very likely have unlimited (but unpaid) leave fairly quickly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GoodOlJr 07/02/20 10:54:21 AM #81:	Canada needs to step it up, people should be guaranteed 3 weeks --- http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3475/3291766630_b434e97925.jpg 3DS: 1005-8921-6109 <cite>GoodOlJr posted [p:941567823] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Canada needs to step it up, people should be guaranteed 3 weeks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/20 10:55:22 AM #82:	Questionmarktarius posted... At risk of yet another "OMG you hate laborers!", which is going to happen anyway, note that robots and touchscreens would not get mandated paid leave. Anyone who is more cost-effective to replace with automation, will very likely have unlimited (but unpaid) leave fairly quickly. Thats why we need to find a solution to capitalism when it comes to automation. Even if no one were given benefits, machines and outsourcing labor will still eventually lead to more and more people being unemployed. --- No Venezuelan fishermen ever called me a Bernie Bro. <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:941567868] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>At risk of yet another "OMG you hate laborers!", which is going to happen anyway, note that robots and touchscreens would not get mandated paid leave. Anyone who is more cost-effective to replace with automation, will very likely have unlimited (but unpaid) leave fairly quickly.</quote> Thats why we need to find a solution to capitalism when it comes to automation. Even if no one were given benefits, machines and outsourcing labor will still eventually lead to more and more people being unemployed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 10:56:36 AM #83:	Questionmarktarius posted... At risk of yet another "OMG you hate laborers!", which is going to happen anyway, note that robots and touchscreens would not get mandated paid leave. Anyone who is more cost-effective to replace with automation, will very likely have unlimited (but unpaid) leave fairly quickly. Someone make a ubi meme about this 'robots cant take your jobs if you give everyone a ubi and stop working' --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941567915] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>At risk of yet another "OMG you hate laborers!", which is going to happen anyway, note that robots and touchscreens would not get mandated paid leave. Anyone who is more cost-effective to replace with automation, will very likely have unlimited (but unpaid) leave fairly quickly.</quote> Someone make a ubi meme about this 'robots cant take your jobs if you give everyone a ubi and stop working' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/02/20 10:57:16 AM #84:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Believe it or not there are a few people who actually know what they're talking about https://giphy.com/gifs/original-hEc4k5pN17GZq --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:941567929] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Believe it or not there are a few people who actually know what they're talking about</quote> https://giphy.com/gifs/original-hEc4k5pN17GZq </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 10:57:39 AM #85:	Can you imagine there are people that hear we might just have robots do everything and people won't have jobs but they think that's bad? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941567949] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Can you imagine there are people that hear we might just have robots do everything and people won't have jobs but they think that's bad? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/20 10:59:23 AM #86:	Balrog0 posted... Can you imagine there are people that hear we might just have robots do everything and people won't have jobs but they think that's bad? Well Im fine with people not having jobs I just meant there needs to be a way for them to obtain resources outside of working for a paycheck. Whether thats UBI or something else. But capitalists tend to simply put people out on the street and keep the profit for themselves, rather than letting technology ease the burden of workers the way it should. --- No Venezuelan fishermen ever called me a Bernie Bro. <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:941568035] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Can you imagine there are people that hear we might just have robots do everything and people won't have jobs but they think that's bad?</quote> Well Im fine with people not having jobs I just meant there needs to be a way for them to obtain resources outside of working for a paycheck. Whether thats UBI or something else. But capitalists tend to simply put people out on the street and keep the profit for themselves, rather than letting technology ease the burden of workers the way it should. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/20 10:59:24 AM #87:	Balrog0 posted... Can you imagine there are people that hear we might just have robots do everything and people won't have jobs but they think that's bad? It's usually dudes like shab who don't understand economics in general <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:941568036] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Can you imagine there are people that hear we might just have robots do everything and people won't have jobs but they think that's bad?</quote> It's usually dudes like shab who don't understand economics in general </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PCgamingIS_Best 07/02/20 11:03:02 AM #88:	What jobs in the US don't have paid vacation time? <cite>PCgamingIS_Best posted [p:941568201] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>What jobs in the US don't have paid vacation time? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 11:03:31 AM #89:	PCgamingIS_Best posted... What jobs in the US don't have paid vacation time? Low wage and part time mainly --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941568229] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>PCgamingIS_Best posted... </cite> <quote>What jobs in the US don't have paid vacation time?</quote> Low wage and part time mainly </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/02/20 11:03:51 AM #90:	Shablagoo posted... Thats why we need to find a solution to capitalism when it comes to automation. Education. Stay ahead of the robots. Perhaps even program the robots that take everyone else's jobs. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941568242] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Thats why we need to find a solution to capitalism when it comes to automation.</quote>Education. Stay ahead of the robots. Perhaps even program the robots that take everyone else's jobs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/02/20 11:05:19 AM #91:	monkmith posted... has inflation ever gone down? Yes, all the time. If you mean has it ever gone negative, yes, a time or two. But more to the point I was wondering what undercutting progressive increases in wages looks like. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:941568291] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>has inflation ever gone down?</quote>Yes, all the time. If you mean has it ever gone negative, yes, a time or two. But more to the point I was wondering what undercutting progressive increases in wages looks like. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/02/20 11:06:37 AM #92:	DevsBro posted... But more to the point I was wondering what undercutting progressive increases in wages looks like. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Dhaka_garment_factory_collapse <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:941568341] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>But more to the point I was wondering what undercutting progressive increases in wages looks like.</quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Dhaka_garment_factory_collapse </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 11:07:39 AM #93:	DevsBro posted... Yes, all the time. If you mean has it ever gone negative, yes, a time or two. But more to the point I was wondering what undercutting progressive increases in wages looks like. Reducing the categories of workers that are covered by minimum wage laws. E.g., Arkansas raised the wage through ballot initiative and the GOP legislature made it so certain classes of workers and employers were exempt from minimum wage laws (the way that tipped workers often are for example) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941568386] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, all the time. If you mean has it ever gone negative, yes, a time or two. But more to the point I was wondering what undercutting progressive increases in wages looks like.</quote> Reducing the categories of workers that are covered by minimum wage laws. E.g., Arkansas raised the wage through ballot initiative and the GOP legislature made it so certain classes of workers and employers were exempt from minimum wage laws (the way that tipped workers often are for example) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/02/20 11:08:51 AM #94:	Questionmarktarius posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Dhaka_garment_factory_collapse Um Ok --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:941568432] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Dhaka_garment_factory_collapse</quote>Um Ok </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poop2 07/02/20 11:09:57 AM #95:	Its true this country to treat employees like shit American really isnt all that great <cite>Poop2 posted [p:941568468] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Its true this country to treat employees like shit American really isnt all that great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/02/20 11:19:29 AM #97:	DevsBro posted... Is that not subject to this: https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/its-official-684-per-week-will-be-new-minimum-salary-for-exempt-employees.html It's a totally separate issue. That is about who is legally gets overtime, nothing about the minimum wage itself. Though changing the threshold for exemption from OT is possibly another way to undercut wage gains for workers. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:941568842] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Is that not subject to this: https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/its-official-684-per-week-will-be-new-minimum-salary-for-exempt-employees.html</quote> It's a totally separate issue. That is about who is legally gets overtime, nothing about the minimum wage itself. Though changing the threshold for exemption from OT is possibly another way to undercut wage gains for workers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePopcornKing 07/02/20 11:22:57 AM #98:	an 18 year old mcdonalds worker in the UK would get 1 month paid vacation time each year if you work hard and choke on those corporate cocks for your whole life, maybe one day you too might be worth as much as an 18 year old trying to get some beer money. --- I only think about having babys when i dont pull out and honestly thats the greatest feeling. - Eskii <cite>ThePopcornKing posted [p:941568981] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>an 18 year old mcdonalds worker in the UK would get 1 month paid vacation time each year if you work hard and choke on those corporate cocks for your whole life, maybe one day you too might be worth as much as an 18 year old trying to get some beer money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/02/20 11:24:46 AM #99:	Balrog0 posted... It's a totally separate issue. That is about who is legally gets overtime, nothing about the minimum wage itself. Though changing the threshold for exemption from OT is possibly another way to undercut wage gains for workers. Yeah I realized that shortly after posting it but I didn't delete fast enough. :P --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:941569060] in A graph of... [t:78818886]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>It's a totally separate issue. That is about who is legally gets overtime, nothing about the minimum wage itself. Though changing the threshold for exemption from OT is possibly another way to undercut wage gains for workers.</quote>Yeah I realized that shortly after posting it but I didn't delete fast enough. :P </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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