Current Events > So is US supposed to stay locked down for the rest of the year?

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Cases are spiking in several states and the solution for some is shutdown everything. Are we supposed to continue this for rest of year?

I was glad I was able to return to work this week but if things shut down I'm out of work again and government not paying my bills. I needed the money from this job.

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Indoor dining should, but every other sane country is open again without issues.

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This is exactly why we needed a federal stay at home order in early March. If the whole country had shut down at the same time, then we would be recovering at the same time.

Some states quarantined for two months from the start and others ignored it because they wanted to keep money flowing in. Now we have to have some states with temporary bans of travelers from other states, which is the only way to protect ourselves and prevent another state-wide shut down.

surprisingly, a bumblefuck piecemeal response like what we did doesn't actually help.

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Certain counties or whole states should shut down, yes. It's how most countries beat it. The US is big enough that they entire country may not need to shut down, but hot spots should.

BlueTigerLion posted...

Cases are spiking in several states and the solution for some is shutdown everything. Are we supposed to continue this for rest of year?

I mean if the alternative is the medical system collapsing then I don't know what other solution you could hope for

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We probably wouldn't have to lock down for most of 2020 if people weren't morons bitching about how their rights were being taken away and pushing for the country to re-open

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Isolated "grandma camps" would have been the correct answer.

Frostshock posted...

Indoor dining should, but every other sane country is open again without issues.

Because every other sane country actually took measures to control the spread and were actually ready to open again when they did.

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they should be sending out 'sorry we fucked up' checks.
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Pancake posted...

they should be sending out 'sorry we fucked up' checks.

they should be printed on red paper.

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Payzmaykr posted...

This is exactly why we needed a federal stay at home order in early March. If the whole country had shut down at the same time, then we would be recovering at the same time.

Some states quarantined for two months from the start and others ignored it because they wanted to keep money flowing in. Now we have to have some states with temporary bans of travelers from other states, which is the only way to protect ourselves and prevent another state-wide shut down.

Some nations didn't do that and are/were fine. In Canada, there were no stay-at-home orders, only restrictions on businesses and gatherings, for example.

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Sewage posted...

Certain counties or whole states should shut down, yes. It's how most countries beat it. The US is big enough that they entire country may not need to shut down, but hot spots should.

Definitely don't need to shutdown the less populated states. I was on a self-isolation vacation in the WV mountains and my neighbor up there looked at me like I was crazy when I asked him about the virus. He's like...virus? lol. They literally never closed anything up there and nobody is sick. Churches bars everything stayed open this whole time. I'm sure they closed things in the biggest WV cities but not in the countryside. I went into several grocery stores and I could not find a single person wearing a mask, even the workers. It's like a nothing ever happened.

It wasn't, but dumbasses didn't listen and got the corona to continue spreading so now we're here.

Doom_Art posted...

I mean if the alternative is the medical system collapsing then I don't know what other solution you could hope for

I just know if lockdown happens again im fucked I will run out of cash in 1 month. And feel im probably not alone there are probably people worse off than myself who had no savings.

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Frostshock posted...

Indoor dining should, but every other sane country is open again without issues.

Those countries were largely hit before the US and didnt have to battle politicians who were giddy at the idea of throwing the elderly on the sacrificial pyre in worship of the evonomy.

We could have been recovering from this shit already if not for the federal government and several red states totally dropping the ball.

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Just a question, but has your financial situation made you reconsider your views on the government's financial obligations to the people? Or reconsider your views regarding capitalism in general? What about wages and benefits, like PTO and the like as well as increased pay and reduced hours for everyone?

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We need to do one of two things:

Option 1: Close down entirely until a vaccine happens.

Option 2: Have everyone wear masks.

Seeing as option 2 can only be achieved by executing more people than would ever had died of Covid, option 1 it is.

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monkmith posted...

surprisingly, a bumblefuck piecemeal response like what we did doesn't actually help.

The United States is a bumblefuck piecemeal country by design. That's what states are for. Other countries do not have any such analogue.

There is a continued need for a unified response from the government.

look at how Europe is doing (strict quarantine measures for a limited time) vs how the us is doing (patchwork of changing stay at home suggestions across the country)

https://mobile.twitter.com/gzeromedia/status/1275609612830609414

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Annihilated posted...

The United States is a bumblefuck piecemeal country by design. That's what states are for. Other countries do not have any such analogue.

That's why it's even more important that we have leadership capable of unifying the country and getting everybody on the same page.

Instead we got Donald Trump.

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Payzmaykr posted...

This is exactly why we needed a federal stay at home order in early March.

Show me where in the constitution the federal government is empowered to do so, please.

gunplagirl posted...

Just a question, but has your financial situation made you reconsider your views on the government's financial obligations to the people? Or reconsider your views regarding capitalism in general? What about wages and benefits, like PTO and the like as well as increased pay and reduced hours for everyone?

It made me regret not saving up more money before this. Kinda realized government doesn't bail out regular people. We got to fend for ourselves. Just makes the forced unemployment so much worse knowing this. Hopefully we don't have another stay at home order.

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DevsBro posted...

We need to do one of two things:

Option 1: Close down entirely until a vaccine happens.

Option 2: Have everyone wear masks.

Seeing as option 2 can only be achieved by executing more people than would ever had died of Covid, option 1 it is.

A vaccine isnt coming until at least December. No one in their right mind would keep everything locked down until then. There would be riots.
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We half-assed it and managed to call it tyranny anyway. All freedom, no responsibility.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Show me where in the constitution the federal government is empowered to do so, please.

This is why politics is cancer.

"We should save millions of lives with an organized response."
"Herp derp a 200 year old document says we can't neener neener."

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If we had actually shut down properly like a lot of actually responsible countries did, we might not even be having this conversation now. With the half-assed way we did it, we let the virus smolder and now its coming back with a vengeance.

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A vaccine doesn't stop every case either (see: the normal flu) so I don't see that as a reasonable option either.

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monkmith posted...

surprisingly, a bumblefuck piecemeal response like what we did doesn't actually help.

this. "leaving it up to the states" is what fucked everything up. everyone should have shut down until it was contained. it's going down in NY cause we had an appropriate response, even if it was kind of late. and then you have dumbass governors who did it even later and their states are going to get fucked now

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Duncanwii posted...

A vaccine isnt coming until at least December. No one in their right mind would keep everything locked down until then. There would be riots.

We're a third of the way there already. But to your point, there've already been riots.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's why it's even more important that we have leadership capable of unifying the country and getting everybody on the same page.

Instead we got Donald Trump.

If the EU slowed the virus down by shutting everything down the whole time, then what's going to stop it from going back up as soon as they reopen? Nobody is going to have vaccines for a long time, and at this rate the U.S. will reach a herd immunity much quicker while having a stronger economy.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Show me where in the constitution the federal government is empowered to do so, please.

Maybe a slightly less indecisive narrative from the White House would have sufficed.

I know you think youre making a point, but the fact is that every state who ignored the quarantine had a governor who sucks up to Trump. If he had said to shut down and wear a mask, theyd have done it. This is really all there is to be said on the topic.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Show me where in the constitution the federal government is empowered to do so, please.

I mean...if we just had a President that didn't turn public health guidelines into a political thing, we could have been alright.

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Annihilated posted...

herd immunity

not going to happen without millions dead

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Annihilated posted...

If the EU slowed the virus down by shutting everything down the whole time, then what's going to stop it from going back up as soon as they reopen? Nobody is going to have vaccines for a long time, and at this rate the U.S. will reach a herd immunity much quicker while having a stronger economy.

The virus only stays in your system for so long. The idea is to lock down long enough for people to recover from it, while creating a safe plan for reopening.

A lot of states didn't do that and instead rushed a reopening while new cases were on the upswing.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The virus only stays in your system for so long. The idea is to lock down long enough for people to recover from it, while creating a safe plan for reopening.

A lot of states didn't do that and instead rushed a reopening while new cases were on the upswing.

I've said this a million times before and I'm going to continue saying it, new cases don't mean dick. We cannot test everybody every week. Keeping the number of deaths and hospitalizations as low as possible is the only goal that matters.

Again, this graph doesn't matter.



This one does.



The fact that we're continuing to see a steady decline of fatal cases far from the peak while the number of cases is increasing at the same time should be VERY encouraging.

Annihilated posted...

The fact that we're continuing to see a steady decline of fatal cases far from the peak while the number of cases is increasing at the same time should be VERY encouraging.

People don't die instantly from COVID-19.

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Just think, if more had been done we wouldn't have lost 100k+ people.

But people don't care and something something flu, drunk drivers, cancer, AIDS, etc.

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Everyone needs to remain in their homes until a vaccine. The military can distribute daily rations to every house.

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Tmaster148 posted...

We probably wouldn't have to lock down for most of 2020 if people weren't morons bitching about how their rights were being taken away and pushing for the country to re-open

its this. we did it to ourselves, and thats why it really hurts

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AlephZero posted...

Everyone needs to remain in their homes until a vaccine. The military can distribute daily rations to every house.

Not happening. The second solders are turned on the populace is when people start fighting back.
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The23rdMagus posted...

People don't die instantly from COVID-19.

Yeah, that second sudden spike starts to climb about 2 weeks ago, so there will probably be a spike in deaths in the next couple of days if cases have greatly increased.

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Annihilated posted...

Keeping the number of deaths and hospitalizations as low as possible is the only goal that matters.

Do you have a graph for the number of hospitalizations? I agree the number of cases doesnt really matter compared to that and deaths (though as Magus said, people dont die from it instantly), but Im worried about overflowing the medical system. Didnt the main hospital in Houston just reach its ICU limit yesterday?

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Payzmaykr posted...

This is exactly why we needed a federal stay at home order in early March. If the whole country had shut down at the same time, then we would be recovering at the same time.

Some states quarantined for two months from the start and others ignored it because they wanted to keep money flowing in. Now we have to have some states with temporary bans of travelers from other states, which is the only way to protect ourselves and prevent another state-wide shut down.

Dude actual medical scientists knew covid was a big deal in December

Our government totally failed us

Duncanwii posted...

Not happening. The second solders are turned on the populace is when people start fighting back.

We already tried this the easy way.

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Duncanwii posted...

Not happening. The second solders are turned on the populace is when people start fighting back.

lmao right wing gun nuts are too scared to stand up to the army

The23rdMagus posted...

People don't die instantly from COVID-19.

Regardless, I've already shown that fatalities are not tied to infections. Besides, people are going to die no matter what we do. No god president in the world could prevent people from dying. But if we can minimize them as much as possible while still having lives to live, I call that a win.

Shablagoo posted...

Do you have a graph for the number of hospitalizations? I agree the number of cases doesnt really matter compared to that and deaths (though as Magus said, people dont die from it instantly), but Im worried about overflowing the medical system. Didnt the main hospital in Houston just reach its ICU limit yesterday?

I have not seen such a graph, no. I'd imagine if hospitals were overworked we would be seeing more deaths.

Lol "right wing antigovt gun nuts" is a fabricated lie pushed by our government so that "normies" don't get guns and the people who do get guns are usually dumb as rocks bootlickers

Annihilated posted...

Regardless, I've already shown that fatalities are not tied to infections.

What.

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