Poll of the Day > The boycotts and review bombing of TLOU2 totally worked, ok?

(+) Yeah! (+)

You guys shut the game down, and really taught naughty dog a lesson, ok?

Boy oh boy, Neil duckmann will sure think twice before ever messing with gamers again, ok?

Oh wait.

https://www.vg247.com/2020/06/21/the-last-of-us-part-2-sales-fastest-selling-ps4-game/

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im 12 hours in and its such a fucking good game

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I know I stopped playing it when I realized I was just channeling more power towards the libtart elite

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It's really good but who knows, I might really hate the ending.

Honestly I thought the ending to the first game was weak but I think I'm in the minority there.

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I might really like it, but it's on a console I don't have, so 0/10

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"the game sold well. therefore it is a good game."

playing the first 6 or so hours. The game is a total slog, there's a handful of good moments but the game in general is meh at best. if i was a game reviewer who handed out scores it'd be a 5/10 at highest.

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ssj4supervegeta posted...

if i was a game reviewer

you aint cause all you do is shitpost and eat store brand poptarts

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ssj4supervegeta posted...

"the game sold well. therefore it is a good game."

No this topic is about the correlation between review bombing and sales.

But also the game is really fucking good.

ssj4supervegeta posted...

"the game sold well. therefore it is a good game."

I haven't actually played it yet, so I can't say. I'm more commenting on how games protests and review bombing doesn't matter when it comes to sales, ok?

Sales speak louder than angry children who never played the game, so there you go, ok?

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Aculo posted...

I haven't actually played it yet, so I can't say. I'm more commenting on how games protests and review bombing doesn't matter when it comes to sales, ok?

Sales speak louder than angry children who never played the game, so there you go, ok?

And, a lot of people who actively AVOIDED the spoilers, were pissed off about the game, refusing to play after 2 hours in.

TheWorstPoster posted...

And, a lot of people who actively AVOIDED the spoilers, were pissed off about the game, refusing to play after 2 hours in.

You use way too many commas, my dude.

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Maybe I'll buy both the first and second one. I'll see. I'm not rich or anything, though...
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TheWorstPoster posted...

And, a lot of people who actively AVOIDED the spoilers, were pissed off about the game, refusing to play after 2 hours in.

Sure they did

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TheWorstPoster posted...

And, a lot of people who actively AVOIDED the spoilers, were pissed off about the game, refusing to play after 2 hours in.

I'm sure some did, but I wonder if the vast majority of these claims are from people who haven't even touched the game, ok?

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Aculo posted...

I'm sure some did, but I wonder if the vast majority of these claims are from people who haven't even touched the game, ok?

This happen a lot... I see it on a bunch of game boards on here...

https://i.imgur.com/S1k4oGy.jpg
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LinkPizza posted...

Maybe I'll buy both the first and second one. I'll see. I'm not rich or anything, though...

At least try the first one, its like $10 now

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

At least try the first one, its like $10 now

That true. It should be pretty cheap...
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I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else.

I've played for about 5 hours now and the character models/animations have been glitching out constantly. Especially during transitional loading screens...every time I go through a crack in a wall the character t-poses through it.

Incredibly weak start compared to the first game as well, and the weed scene during the opening felt so forced and out-of-touch. Like your dad coming up to you and asking if you want to smoke some "dope".

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Yeah that part was a non stop cringe fest but the snow looks cool.

It looks awful, but then so does the first one. Both are games I'd never play or very far down the list.

I know my opinions vary vastly from most current gamers, however.

Pat (formerly of Two Best Friends Play) sure thinks it isn't great. And he enjoyed the first game quite a bit.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYbfT-IBeTQ

guys, you totally shut this game down in the uk too, ok?

oh wait.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-last-of-us-2-breaks-sales-records-in-the-uk/1100-6478774/

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Aculo posted...

The boycotts and review bombing of TLOU2 totally worked, ok?

You guys shut the game down, and really taught naughty dog a lesson, ok?

Boy oh boy, Neil duckmann will sure think twice before ever messing with gamers again, ok?

Oh wait.

https://www.vg247.com/2020/06/21/the-last-of-us-part-2-sales-fastest-selling-ps4-game

The early sales don't actually mean much in that context. Because that's not how any of this works.

Most of the people buying the game in the first few days are going to be people who, for the most part, know absolutely nothing about TLOU2. They're people who loved TLOU1 enough to buy its sequel sight-unseen, or people who were sucked up by the pre-order hype and ads without really being aware of anything about the game. They're not people who were going to be reading articles about why some people were pissed about the game (some of them may actively have been avoiding any and all articles to avoid spoilers), and they weren't going to be reading reviews or checking scores. Why would they? They already knew they were buying it regardless.

Early reviews don't mean much either, considering how hard most professional review sites will fellate pretty much any major title (so as to not burn bridges with powerful publishers), and how quick they are to grab their own ankles and whistle whenever a game looks pretentious enough to pull out the old "WOMG YOU GUYS, GAMES ARE TOTALLY ART!" card so they can feel like actual respectable journalists and critics. So even early purchasers who DID go looking for reviews were going to get a lot of fluff pieces that encouraged them.

But the real telling statistics are how well the game sells in the weeks to come (once overall perceptions of the game become more widespread and the fencesitters actually start seeing what other people's opinions are). That's where we see whether strong initial sales remain strong over time (like the original TLOU, or games like GTAV), or if the bottom drops out and everyone starts feeling embarrassed about the whole thing (or start asking for refunds).

Keep in mind, Mass Effect: Andromeda sold amazingly well at first, too. So did No Man's Sky. And then people played them.

The critical savaging those games got after the fact was enough to drastically tank later sales, and in Mass Effect's case, almost torpedoing the entire franchise for good. The only reason they're thinking about reviving it again at this point is because Anthem blew up in their faces so hard they're desperate to salvage something out of the smoking ruin that Bioware's IP is rapidly turning into.

Meanwhile, No Man's Sky has apparently been turned into something almost resembling a worthwhile game, but most people will never realize that, because the initial response was so powerfully negative that it basically became little more than a punchline.

Even Fallout 76 sold much better at launch than you might have expected, knowing what sort of game it was and what it's turned out to be (and in spite of all the warning signs leading up to release). The real hate, backlash, and financial collapse didn't come until after the first week or two, though, once pretty much everyone on the Internet was screaming about how terrible it was.

I have no opinions about TLOU2 (I didn't give a fuck about TLOU1, I give less of a fuck now). It might continue to sell strong forever and the only people who complain will be a loud minority on the Internet that everyone ignores. Or it could be seriously fucked as sentiment universally turns against it and all hope of eventually cranking out TLOU3 with the same level of expectation and praise goes up in smoke.

But either way, I wouldn't point to the first few days of sales and try to definitively call it a triumph. This could eat a LOT of shit from a LOT of different people over the next few weeks/months, and could radically shift the perception of the franchise as a whole.
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kukukupo posted...

It looks awful, but then so does the first one. Both are games I'd never play or very far down the list.

I know my opinions vary vastly from most current gamers, however.

Ehh, the first game only sold about 20 million copies across two consoles (and when you consider at least some of those sales overlap, and those numbers may be counting bundle deals where the person "bought" the game but never played it/had no interest, we can probably shave off at least a couple million or so).

Now consider we exist in a marketplace where the PS4 has sold 100+ million units, and there are countless gamers who own Xboxes, Nintendo consoles, or play on PC who don't have Playstations who straight up have no way to play TLOU at all.

For all that people have been tongue-bathing it for years, it's very easy to say that the vast majority of gamers have never played it. Easily at least 75%, probably closer to 80% or more. Some because they have no opportunity, others because they took one look at it and went "lol nope", some who may have watched cutscenes on YouTube and decided that was good enough, or others who may have read summaries of the plot somewhere and decided it didn't interest them.

I wouldn't say you're different from "most" current gamers in not being interested in it, for whatever reason. If anything, the people playing it are different from most current gamers.



(Which is true of pretty much every major game these days, so it's not necessary shitting on TLOU. Unless you're GTA V you're probably not selling much more than 10 million copies, let alone 20. It's a diverse marketplace, so even critically acclaimed darlings or games that are constantly praised/fellated online rarely draw huge audiences - for all that people wouldn't shut up about Undertale for a few months, it never really sold more than around 5 million copies or so. And everyone praised the shit out of Breath of the Wild but that only sold about 18 mil.)
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Its always crazy to me that some games like Zelda and Metroid are so iconic but actually dont sell a ton of copies in comparison to other mainstream games

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https://www.twitch.tv/avoidingthepuddle/clip/FurryKindStarlingVoHiYo

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Mainstream audiences love garbage

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TheWorstPoster posted...

And, a lot of people who actively AVOIDED the spoilers, were pissed off about the game, refusing to play after 2 hours in.

Those people are nothing more than manchildren. I probably know the reason why but really it works well not this games narrative. Something I'm actually enjoying for the most part but more importantly the gameplay is very much improved over the first.

LinkPizza posted...

Maybe I'll buy both the first and second one. I'll see. I'm not rich or anything, though...

I'd recommend both.

DocDelicious posted...

I've played for about 5 hours now and the character models/animations have been glitching out constantly. Especially during transitional loading screens...every time I go through a crack in a wall the character t-poses through it.

That's very odd. I've not had any issues at all.

Incredibly weak start compared to the first game as well, and the weed scene during the opening felt so forced and out-of-touch. Like your dad coming up to you and asking if you want to smoke some "dope".

The game certainly has some tropes it uses but I mean it's not a big deal given the narrative as a whole. I've not completed it yet so how I feel overall about the story remains to be seen but so far so good. I never felt the first game needed a sequel but I'm fine with it having one.

Sonicplys posted...

Mainstream audiences love garbage

Like Smash Bros and Sonic right?

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I heard you get the best ending if you get to the part where you first get control of Abby and then you jump off a cliff and then uninstall the game.

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