Current Events > Man gets tased after stealing cop's taser and threatening others with it

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Josiah_Is_Back posted...

I politely decline your rude request but I will happily respond to any substantive objection you provide to my initial post.

I strongly oppose the notion of "aiming for the legs" because that's movie shit. It can also be just as lethal as getting shot anywhere else. It's just a fictional proposal put forth by people who don't know much about the issue.

I mean, literally Joe Biden has asked this question.

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I can understand the dangers of getting shot in the upper leg, due to a femoral injury and the rapid blood loss that would cause. But what about getting shot in the calf region? I suppose that wouldn't necessarily be deleterious enough to stop someone from running away; slow them down, maybe.

It's a tricky situation. Did the officer have anything else on him besides his gun?

Josiah_Is_Back posted...

But what about getting shot in the calf region?

Have fun aiming for the calves of a dude who's running away while you're also running after him.

I take it you don't have very much experience with handgun use?

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I do not. I get what you're saying, though. People interpret such situations as the officer using lethal force unjustifiably; when in reality it's much more feasible to strike the torso of a fleeing criminal, and seeing as the officer was unsure of the man's intentions, he did not want to risk missing or simply wounding (and further angering) the man.

Josiah_Is_Back posted...

I do not. I get what you're saying, though. People interpret such situations as the officer using lethal force unjustifiably; when in reality it's much more feasible to strike the torso of a fleeing criminal, and seeing as the officer was unsure of the man's intentions, he did not want to risk missing or simply wounding (and further angering) the man.

Basically...hitting a moving target is difficult. You always aim for center mass, because if you're shooting, you're shooting to bring them down. Not to slow them down. A shot to the leg is not only harder to hit, but it's also less likely to actually bring someone down. You can run with a bullet in your leg, not so much with one in your lung.

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Hasn't science come up with any sub lethal weapons more effective than shitty tasers yet? Are tranquilizer guns out of the question?

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sevihaimerej posted...

Hasn't science come up with any sub lethal weapons more effective than shitty tasers yet? Are tranquilizer guns out of the question?

Last I heard the problem with tranqs is that they either work way too slow to be useful as a deterrent, or stops their heart.

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sevihaimerej posted...

Hasn't science come up with any sub lethal weapons more effective than shitty tasers yet? Are tranquilizer guns out of the question?

Tranquilizers are very, very exact. Like...basically, each dose has to be specific to the pound. You ever have surgery that required anesthesia? Had that consult with the doctors and the anesthesiologist to discuss the risks and everything? That's because putting someone to sleep or paralyzing them is dangerous if it's not done precisely.

Tranq darts are more movie shit. They really only work if they're pre-loaded for one specific animal. Use a dart on a 5'2 woman that's designed for a 6'2 man, she'll likely die. Use the opposite, and it won't work well enough.

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AssultTank posted...

I guess the main difference is that the taser worked to bring down the suspect in this case.

one drew his own Taser and fired it at Hansen. Even after being tased, Hanson struggled with officers until they finally subdued him, according to the report.

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Zikten posted...

then why is he fired, and why did the police chief resign in shame?

because it's what the mob demands or else they inflict violence upon their own city and anyone in it

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mrgoatthief posted...

Human beings are a weird case where we're either really fragile or really hard to fucking break with very little in between, so it's insanely hard to produce nonlethal alternatives that work on everyone and aren't also lethal if used incorrectly.

I guess that makes sense, still I think someone could develop a judo orangutan robot that could be programmed to only dismember 3% of those foolish enough to run. Or, focus on inducing fear and intimidation rather than outright force. Like, give police the technology to realistically and convincingly fake being vampires or some other kind of horrific creatures or evil demigods...Okay that's probably a bit unreasonable so I'll just end on this: police bears. Full Kevlar body armor, reinforced claws, nice ramming/impaling spike on the helmet, they can be trained to ride unicycles...I'm starting to see what you mean :(

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Completly different set of people involved in a situation that is vaguely similar.

I know, it's a really hard concept for some of our slower posters to grasp. But give it a shot

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Completly different set of people involved in a situation that is vaguely similar.

I know, it's a really hard concept for some of our slower posters to grasp. But give it a shot

Not that hard of a concept:

white man steals cops taser. threatens cops and hospital staff. gets arrested.

black man steals cops taser. runs. gets shot and killed.

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troll_swag posted...

Not that hard of a concept:

white man steals cops taser. threatens cops and hospital staff. gets arrested.

black man steals cops taser. runs. gets shot and killed.

Exhibit A

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Exhibit A

2 somewhat same scenarios, 2 drastically different outcomes.

What was the difference?

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troll_swag posted...

Not that hard of a concept:

white man steals cops taser. threatens cops and hospital staff. gets arrested.

black man steals cops taser. runs. gets shot and killed.

Cops see black people as more physically capable, unpredictable, and thus dangerous because that is how they are trained (My cousin used to be in the state police until about a year ago and has regaled me tales of weird rules and odd stereotypes he's taught to "look out for"). That is where the systemic racism lies in regards to profiling and police brutality.

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sevihaimerej posted...

Cops see black people as more physically capable, unpredictable, and thus dangerous because that is how they are trained (My cousin used to be in the state police until about a year ago and has regaled me tales of weird rules and odd stereotypes he's taught to "look out for"). That is where the systemic racism lies in regards to profiling and police brutality.

Im well aware of how cops see us

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troll_swag posted...

2 somewhat same scenarios, 2 drastically different outcomes.

What was the difference?

Hundreds, if not thousands of different nuances

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