Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 305: Where's the beef? With the police.

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Sorry if the topic title isn't great. Been half an hour and no Jakyl-quality topic arose.

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I see we both went for similar jokes
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Deleted mine
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So the body cam videos show that this man only blew a .108. Unless he had drugs in his system, there is a chance he might have gotten off this DUI altogether. If he could take up to an hour to get an official reading, he might have been in the clear officially or close enough that it was arguably under due to in margin of error.

That's interesting.

I am surprised they let him move his own vehicle though also.

He definitely wasn't nearly as intoxicated as I was assuming he would be.

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Reposting as I think it's important:

Alright, going to get extremely direct for a bit.

TheRock posted...
I've had two cousins killed by drunk drivers.

Anyone defending it under ANY circumstances is a piece of shit and can go straight to hell.

I direct this message towards most of the people in this topic who I don't consider to be garbage. Doesn't apply to everyone but yeah. To put it simply:

Rock's comment is what you need to say. Nothing else.

Don't argue with Corrik, red Sox, SephG etc. Don't treat them like reasonable actors or giving them the time of day. Dismiss them. Condemn them.

Look, I get it. Despite the charged feelings we all have right now, it's not easy to hate or dismiss people out of hand. It's important to understand where people are coming from. Otherwise you'd probably be a conservative! It's surprisingly difficult to hate. But these are people that have had YEARS to shape up. They have no hidden depths for you to discover. You know them well.

They will never change, and are not interested in doing so.

I'm not saying this because the topic being filled with unending arguments posts is silly (although it is). Its because arguing with them is actively detrimental. Even if you disagree with them or claim they're wrong and suck, it doesn't matter. You're giving them a platform and the time of your day, and by doing so, legitimizing them.

By arguing with them in good faith so often, you become part of the problem.

The time for treating them normally is long, long past. They don't deserve it and their worldview doesn't deserve to be given the limelight. Don't drag these things out. Stop.

Call them a piece of shit who deserves to go to hell, and be on your way. Better yet, say nothing at all and get some use out of the ignore list. Don't just disagree. Condemn and dismiss them.

And:

And to give more context to my post...

A big example of the 'becoming part of the problem' thing I'm trying to get across would be Roosterteeth, a company I've followed for a while. Roosterteeth has historically had issues with attracting right-win fans despite being an openly left-leaning company. Their black and female on-screen talent have received vitriol disguised as 'constructive criticism' for years now. The attitude from the top, and the attitude that permeated the rest of the left-leaning fanbase (who, for the record, were the majority) was to either wave it off or try to convince the assholes they were wrong. To engage them as if they were rational people arguing in good faith.

It didn't work.

The number of right-wing asshole in their fanbase has only grown over the years. Because they knew that they had found a platform where they would be heard, and by not being excommunicated, would have their opinions legitimized. It took the current protests and some employees and ex-employees opening up about how shitty they feel the company's response was for the higher-ups to change their tact. And for the record, I think the higher-ups at roosterteeth legitimately care. They just handled toxicity exactly the wrong way. The exact same way we're handling it now.

Now, we're not a major corporation who influences hundreds of thousands of people with our rhetoric, but this is still our little corner of the internet. This is a place where we can make a bit of a difference. And frankly speaking, we're not. Maybe arguing with them in good faith - even when they never argued in good faith back - at one point was the right decision (don't agree with this but whatever), but it no longer is. Stop giving them platforms. Respond to their shit with one post, AT THE MOST, condemning them, and leave it at that.

Our country is currently at war. Start acting like it, instead of coming here so you can get the thrill of dunking on wrong people when you're bored. Your voice matters.

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Watching the body cam it is sad as a person to hear about someone talking about just trying to enjoy his wife's birthday and his daughters and being dead within a few minutes later. Truly sad to hear.

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All cops are corrupt.

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1271832001364979716?s=19

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

All cops are corrupt.

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1271832001364979716?s=19

I don't get how you can view things and not see what actually happens. He walks behind the police officer without the police officer even knowing he did as the police officer stopped. Sure, he didn't mean to bump the police officer when antagonizing them. That's true. It was accidental. However, he was resisting as the guy says he wasn't resisting.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html

NYT break down. The George Floyd one was very good also.


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I swear the only reason Trump puts so much value on the economy is because it being so strong pre-pandemic was the main reason for Trump's high ratings.

Of course the reality TV star sees the presidency as a big ratings competition. D'oh. What did people think?

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I swear the only reason Trump puts so much value on the economy is because it being so strong pre-pandemic was the main reason for Trump's high ratings.

Of course the reality TV star sees the presidency as a big ratings competition. D'oh. What did people think?

no fucking shit

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Trump said today if he loses he would go onto other things. Big shot in the gut for the people arguing he would try to seize government if he lost.

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Is it though?

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The fact that hes even talking about the possibility of losing paints an interesting picture about how he sees his chances internally
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Jakyl25 posted...

The fact that hes even talking about the possibility of losing paints an interesting picture about how he sees his chances internally

With Trump's personality, it basically means he's given up.

It's actually incredibly shocking. He completely skipped over the phase of wanting to blame voter fraud that he's been building towards for months.

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Jakyl25 posted...

The fact that hes even talking about the possibility of losing paints an interesting picture about how he sees his chances internally

I think he knows the pandemic did him in.

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Pretty bad when the website of the extreme can have this rational debate without calling people pieces of shit and nonsense while the people here can't handle themselves. Lol.

To be fair, this debate is only happening there because they can't decide between the bigger evil DUIs and arresting a minority.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/we-are-not-solving-drunk-driving-effectively-with-mass-incarceration.227419/

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I mean anybody that chooses to drive drunk is objectively a piece of shit.

It's not really an insult or anything. It's just a fact.

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Corrik7 posted...

I don't get how you can view things and not see what actually happens. He walks behind the police officer without the police officer even knowing he did as the police officer stopped. Sure, he didn't mean to bump the police officer when antagonizing them. That's true. It was accidental. However, he was resisting as the guy says he wasn't resisting.

It blows my mind that you can recognize what happened and even say sure, he didnt mean to bump the cop in the same sentence where youre saying its ok.

The same guy who thinks losing your license is too harsh a punishment for a thing it seems to have taken you 3 times to learn your lesson on, doesnt provide even a shred of the same understanding that sometimes the law is bad to others.

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Oh are we back to the trolling and flaming part of that "argument" again.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I mean anybody that chooses to drive drunk is objectively a piece of shit.

It's not really an insult or anything. It's just a fact.

I bet! I have no doubt you believe that.

That was amount of people you believe are pieces of shit is frightening. Remember, we catch very few of them because it is so prevalent.

But add to the pieces of shit list...

Craig Robinson
Kevin Hart
Chris Pine
Abby Wambach
Keanu Reeves
Vince Vaughn
Flo Rida
Tiger Woods
John Stamos
Michael Phelps
Beto O'Rourke
Victoria Neave

For just some famous people.

According to MADD, 27,333 DUI "convictions were made last year in the state of Virginia. Thats roughly 1 in every 220 adults. Across the entire United States, more than one million people are arrested every year for driving under the influence."

Brain surgeons, NASA scientists, lawyers.

Tons of unequivocal pieces of shit out there! It's just an objective reality! Lol.


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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

It blows my mind that you can recognize what happened and even say sure, he didnt mean to bump the cop in the same sentence where youre saying its ok.

I don't know what you mean. He didn't commit a crime when he bumped into the cop. They arrested him in err. He did resist arrest though.

The rest you said is bogus made up nonsense.

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Yes, there are a lot of pieces of shit out there.

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red13n posted...

Yes, there are a lot of pieces of shit out there.

when you accept this, the world makes a lot more sense

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Corrik7 posted...

Tons of unequivocal pieces of shit out there! It's just an objective reality!

Yep. Glad you agree.

Now, said people can over time stop being pieces of shit if they prove they've learned their lesson and don't do it anymore. But as soon as it happens again, they're a piece of shit again.

Pretty simple.

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red13n posted...

Yes, there are a lot of pieces of shit out there.

I don't think even the most liberal extremists would go down your path of calling other liberals pieces of shit objectively no matter what they have done in life for a mistake they made.

Then again. This is the crowd who had someone in it say Hillary Clinton was a racist for life and voted for her also because if you say something perceived as racist you are always a racist piece of shit or whatever.

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I'm going to say if I went around asking people if they thought a lot of people out there were pieces of shit, a majority would say yes.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Yep. Glad you agree.

Now, said people can over time stop being pieces of shit if they prove they've learned their lesson and don't do it anymore. But as soon as it happens again, they're a piece of shit again.

Pretty simple.

And the tune changes.

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red13n posted...

I'm going to say if I went around asking people if they thought a lot of people out there were pieces of shit, a majority would say yes.

I bet everyone would have a different definition of what it is too!

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Sure, but you didn't specify that.

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Corrik7 posted...

I don't think even the most liberal extremists would go down your path of calling other liberals pieces of s*** objectively no matter what they have done in life for a mistake they made.

who wouldnt?

The Left eats itself again is a Right wing meme because Liberals are constantly calling each other pieces of shit

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The tune literally did not change.

If you drive drunk, you are a piece of shit.

That doesn't mean you are one for life.

That also doesn't mean that you can't be one again at another point in your life.

People can learn and make a legitimate effort to be better.

People can also then do it again and prove they never actually stopped being a piece of shit.

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"I can't be a piece of shit if a bunch of other people are also pieces of shit!"

Just shut the fuck up already. There is zero justification for driving drunk, and even trying to downplay it makes your mentality even shittier.

There's no argument. Just shit tier status.

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"It sucks where I live because there's no bus, taxis, uber, lyft, and very few live within walking distance. If you're going to a bar, you're taking a car, and anyone who has been to a bar knows bars don't give a shit what happens once you are off their property and how easy it is to get absolutely overserved. Almost everyone who goes to the bar here drives home drunk. Hold bars more responsible for this shit and watch how quick they start keeping an eye out."

This is something that maybe reading will help you forceful understand the WHY. It doesn't make it right. It is still wrong. But, the why. Do states actually want to end drunk driving? Idk, I guess. Many of you who debate it don't understand the why... Or even care about the why. It is as Kamikaze put it and he wants another pat on the back for it so he reposted it cuz he thinks it's his one second of fame with the echo chamber. Condemn condemn condemn! Don't care why!

You don't want it to happen, but you also don't want to figure out why it happens to stop it either! .

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Doing shitty things =/= being a piece of shit. There's a difference between the two.

Also if we're tossing out driving offenses, texters are worse.

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Dark Young Link posted...

"I can't be a piece of shit if a bunch of other people are also pieces of shit!"

Just shut the fuck up already. There is zero justification for driving drunk, and even trying to downplay it makes your mentality even shittier.

There's no argument. Just shit tier status.

Oh I already know I am not a piece of shit no matter how much you cry it from a mountain. You don't affect me in the slightest. I am sure far greater people than you and everyone in this topic have drank and drive, bud. I have zero doubt people in this very topic drink and drive and are also playing the moral game. I actually would be surprised if there isn't people in this very topic that have in the past 2 days.

It doesn't matter. What does matter is that your arguments are flawed. You don't actually care about what you are saying. You are just trying to use it as a wedge issue to act like you are morally superior like it makes your arguments correct.

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Or, and this is just off the top of my head..

Don't go to a fucking BAR if you have no means of getting home without driving while intoxicated.

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Corrik7 posted...

"It sucks where I live because there's no bus, taxis, uber, lyft, and very few live within walking distance. If you're going to a bar, you're taking a car, and anyone who has been to a bar knows bars don't give a shit what happens once you are off their property and how easy it is to get absolutely overserved. Almost everyone who goes to the bar here drives home drunk. Hold bars more responsible for this shit and watch how quick they start keeping an eye out."

Bars being responsible doesn't absolve you of your own personal responsibility.

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Kinglicious posted...

Doing shitty things =/= being a piece of shit. There's a difference between the two.

Also if we're tossing out driving offenses, texters are worse.

The problem I always had with singling out texters is that really it is any distracted drivers cause wrecks. Which encompasses such a huge swath of things.

I mean, some states now cite you if you look at your GPS on your phone when driving. It's hard to draw the exact line in my opinion on it.

Distracted drivers period are an issue though.

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Kinglicious posted...

Doing shitty things =/= being a piece of shit. There's a difference between the two.

Also if we're tossing out driving offenses, texters are worse.

I mean we're not talking about somebody taking change from the take a penny, leave a penny tray when they don't need it, or somebody purposely not holding the door for the person behind them.

There is no lack of knowledge about the dangers of driving drunk. This isn't something people aren't educated about, it's not a "whoopsy, my bad."

It's not something to just handwave as a "shitty thing to do."

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red13n posted...

Bars being responsible doesn't absolve you of your own personal responsibility.

I don't think bars should even be responsible tbqh. I was quoting someone from resetera. Bars really should only be responsible if serving visibly intoxicated or pouring more than they are supposed to, but what bar is doing that. That would cost them money.

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If literally everyone here except red and maybe Wang is fully aware of the fact that Corrik is a worthless piece of shit, why are we still talking at him?

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Says the guy who just talked to me all topic. I mean, you are the one choosing to not have a rational discussion and are resorting to insults and such.

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Kinglicious posted...

Also if we're tossing out driving offenses, texters are worse.

People who text and drive can go fuck themselves as well. It's needlessly reckless, and they don't even have the (non)excuse of being too drunk to think clearly.

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I'll never understand the "There's no Uber/Lyft/etc., in my town, and the bar isn't within walking distance, so I HAVE to drive drunk!" argument.

If that's literally the case, then maybe don't go to the fucking bar to drink?

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Putting my money where my mouth is.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I'll never understand the "There's no Uber/Lyft/etc., in my town, and the bar isn't within walking distance, so I HAVE to drive drunk!"

If that's literally the case, then maybe don't go to the fucking bar to drink?

You don't understand it because you don't live in an area where you have to! If you listened to people with experiences from that area, you could understand it! Shouting out people as pieces of shit isn't gonna help you understand it!

That said, yes it is a crime.

It is sort of like how I don't understand how people who don't want to overdose can't simply not do heroin or people who don't want to go to jail for having weed a third time, can't just stop smoking weed!

Oh wait. I did listen to people over the years who it does affect more/ have experience with it and developed my thoughts based on other views instead of calling them all pieces of shit any time they discussed it.


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StealThisSheen posted...

I'll never understand the "There's no Uber/Lyft/etc., in my town, and the bar isn't within walking distance, so I HAVE to drive drunk!" argument.

If that's literally the case, then maybe don't go to the fucking bar to drink?

you could also ask a friend if they want to drive you to the bar and drive you back home.

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Corrik7 posted...

You don't understand it because you don't live in an area where you have to!

Because there is literally no area in the world where you HAVE to do this.

Where the hell did this "I MUST go to the bar, I have no choice!" stuff from you and people like SephG come from

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https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1271617214689325056

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