Current Events > In retrospect isn't it off message that Farquaad was tiny, ugly and evil looking

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The whole moral of that movie (I confess I never read the book) was that it was bad to judge people based on apperances and reputation.

Shrek is a giant ugly stinky ogre with no friends but he's actually a cool guy.

Fiona isn't a sexy lady but a giant fat ugly monster and that's cool.

The Dragon is a giant fire-breathing abomination but actually just a lonely kind girl looking for some companionship

Donkey may be an ass but... well okay that one had no layers i guess

But Lord Farquaad? He looks like a tiny ugly evil selfish cruel vindictive man, has the reputation of a tiny ugly evil selfish cruel vindictive man.... then turns out to be a tiny ugly evil selfish cruel vindictive man That seems to counteract what they were doing with everyone else.

Despite being worse movies, Prince Charming and the Fairy Godmother were more apt villains in the sequels. They fit the moral of the story better.

What does Lord Faquaad teach kids? Assume tiny odd looking people are evil and treat them with disdain? Warwick Davis is a national treasure.
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How high are you?

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

What does Lord Faquaad teach kids?

That if tell everyone your name is lord fuck wad then you're probably not a good guy.

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Sure.

I don't think they cared though; they just wanted a short character to laugh at.

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The theme park ride at Universal also makes fun of his tiny penis. :v

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s0nicfan posted...

That if tell everyone your name is lord fuck wad then you're probably not a food guy.

I feel like an idiot but I never picked up on his name before now.

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"Farquaad" was just way to sneak "fuckwad" into a kids movie, given Myers' terrible fake accent. This has never been a secret.

I just wanna say that Cheech and Chong used that joke first.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Donkey may be an ass but... well okay that one had no layers i guess

donkey literally fell in love with the dragon, don't tell me this doesn't tie into your thesis

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Despite being worse movies,

How dare you
Shrek 2 is the best in the series

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Questionmarktarius posted...

"Farquaad" was just way to sneak "fuckwad" into a kids movie, given Myers' terrible fake accent. This has never been a secret.

Yeah it's so obvious now.

But I never noticed it lol

Tired-Insomniac posted...

How dare you
Shrek 2 is the best in the series

The I need a hero part was great

But the rest of the movie was worse than the first 1.

No one goes to a Shrek movie to see a human whining about his wife problems.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I feel like an idiot but I never picked up on his name before now.

How dare you do this to me. How did I never notice this?

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TheMikh posted...

donkey literally fell in love with the dragon, don't tell me this doesn't tie into your thesis

Did he though?

He just used her for personal gains like a tool. He didn't seem to show any real affection or awarness of her pregnancy and kids and the only times she turns up in the movies after Fiona's escape, they're just using her.

Donkey never really expressed anything beyond being an ass except that he could talk. But Donkeys don't really have reputations or apperances so it's not relant to the moral like it was with Shrek and Fiona

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FortuneCookie posted...

The theme park ride at Universal also makes fun of his tiny penis. :v

shrek says "do you think he's compensating for something?" in the movie before they meet him

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averagejoel posted...

shrek says "do you think he's compensating for something?" in the movie before they meet him

It's the same line. I guess the ride reused it from the movie.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

But Lord Farquaad? He looks like a tiny ugly evil selfish cruel vindictive man, has the reputation of a tiny ugly evil selfish cruel vindictive man.... then turns out to be a tiny ugly evil selfish cruel vindictive man That seems to counteract what they were doing with everyone else.

I don't think this is entirely accurate. he doesn't have the reputation for being tiny and ugly at the start. Lord Farquad wants to be perceived as bigger, both literally and figuratively (i.e. "more important") than he really is.

(note: it's been a while since I've seen the movie, so I'm going by memory. some of this information might not be entirely accurate)

I believe his first scene is him torturing the gingerbread man, someone much smaller than him. and it's set up to make him appear big.

Duloc is also notably an extremely artificial place (the mechanical dancers saying how "perfect" it is draw obvious parallels to Disneyland, though that's another issue). everything is fake, including Farquad's self-importance.

even when Shrek is fighting the soldiers, Farquad is far above him, giving an appearance of grandeur. just because this facade is shattered fairly early on in the movie doesn't mean it's not there.

Farquad wants to be seen as something he's not, making him a direct foil to Shrek, who wants to be seen as who he is.

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I'm sorry but I put too much into that last post to not bump this topic

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He was inspired by a Disney exec

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Farquaad#Inspiration

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averagejoel posted...

Farquad wants to be seen as something he's not, making him a direct foil to Shrek, who wants to be seen as who he is.

Shrek wanted to be seen as scary and left alone throughout most the initial parts until Fiona.
Good post though

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The point of him is that sometimes the ugly on the outside reflects the ugly on the inside.

Tsuyoi3 posted...

Shrek wanted to be seen as scary and left alone throughout most the initial parts until Fiona.

No, Shrek wanted to be left alone and was used to people thinking he's scary. He asked the people to leave nicely at first

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CreepySmile posted...

The point of him is that sometimes the ugly on the outside reflects the ugly on the inside.

No, Shrek wanted to be left alone and was used to people thinking he's scary. He asked the people to leave nicely at first

He seemed to love and revel in it.
Further compounded in Forever After when he terrorized a village, laughing the entire time

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Lord Faarquad was ugly just like everyone else, but because he decided to be an asshole instead of a cool guy he never got laid.

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s0nicfan posted...

That if tell everyone your name is lord fuck wad then you're probably not a good guy.

Damnit why have I never noticed this?!

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Farquad was a parody of the disney ceo at the time
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Tsuyoi3 posted...

Shrek wanted to be seen as scary and left alone throughout most the initial parts until Fiona.
Good post though

it's not so much that he wanted to be left alone, it was that he thought he was better off alone because people saw him as scary.



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Huh. Well alright then!
I forgot that line. Thanks

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ITT: People forget the most important film of our lifetime.

CreepySmile posted...

The point of him is that sometimes the ugly on the outside reflects the ugly on the inside.

He can't help his size or how he looks though

It's no different to Shrek.

And both him and Shrek put up walls


This applies to Farquaad as well just replace ogre with tiny and ugly

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

He can't help his size or how he looks though

It's no different to Shrek.

And both him and Shrek put up walls


This applies to Farquaad as well just replace ogre with tiny and ugly

Ok but only one of them grows over the course of the story.

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averagejoel posted...

I don't think this is entirely accurate. he doesn't have the reputation for being tiny and ugly at the start. Lord Farquad wants to be perceived as bigger, both literally and figuratively (i.e. "more important") than he really is.

(note: it's been a while since I've seen the movie, so I'm going by memory. some of this information might not be entirely accurate)

I believe his first scene is him torturing the gingerbread man, someone much smaller than him. and it's set up to make him appear big.

Duloc is also notably an extremely artificial place (the mechanical dancers saying how "perfect" it is draw obvious parallels to Disneyland, though that's another issue). everything is fake, including Farquad's self-importance.

even when Shrek is fighting the soldiers, Farquad is far above him, giving an appearance of grandeur. just because this facade is shattered fairly early on in the movie doesn't mean it's not there.

Farquad wants to be seen as something he's not, making him a direct foil to Shrek, who wants to be seen as who he is.

This is my take

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Farquaad was tiny, ugly and evil looking

Excuse you?!


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Alpha218 posted...

He was inspired by a Disney exec

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Farquaad#Inspiration

the entire movie was ripping on Disney.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

the entire movie was ripping on Disney.

Tbf I didn't get that as a kid

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DevsBro posted...

Ok but only one of them grows over the course of the story.

Does Shrek really grow? Other characters just learn to accept him.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Does Shrek really grow? Other characters just learn to accept him.

Yeah. Remember at the start where he scares everyone away, tries repeatedly to get rid of Donkey, and tells Fiona he's not interested in her?

Sure, we learn he has understandable reasons for this, but he still grows over the course of the story.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

This applies to Farquaad as well just replace ogre with tiny and ugly

Farquaad is basically ordering a genocide on magical creatures. not even remotely close to the same thing.

again: Farquaad exerts all this power, has all the buildings in Duloc built up so high, does all this stuff so that people will see him as something that he isn't. Shrek puts up walls because people see him for something that he isn't and he's become jaded

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Can I just say, CE, mad fucking props for doing a thoughtful, in depth deconstruction of the moral implications of Shrek.

Not being sarcastic. I think it's really fucking cool and funny, but also thought provoking lol.

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OP made me look up Warwick Davis' filmography. Wasn't aware there's a sequel series to Willow coming out on Disney+

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LostForest posted...

Can I just say, CE, mad fucking props for doing a thoughtful, in depth deconstruction of the moral implications of Shrek.

Not being sarcastic. I think it's really fucking cool and funny, but also thought provoking lol.

Sometimes people forget that any type of story can have themes and foreshadowing and stuff, even if it's a comedy.

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LostForest posted...

Can I just say, CE, mad fucking props for doing a thoughtful, in depth deconstruction of the moral implications of Shrek.

Not being sarcastic. I think it's really fucking cool and funny, but also thought provoking lol.

Well, you see, the movie is like an onion.

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DevsBro posted...

Sometimes people forget that any type of story can have themes and foreshadowing and stuff, even if it's a comedy.

Yeah

Shrek has some real themes going on.

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it's worth noting that, in the musical, Farquaad's dad was a dwarf. in addition to explaining his height, this adds another layer into the idea that he wants to be seen as something he's not: he's deporting all the magical creatures despite being a magical creature himself

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s0nicfan posted...

Well, you see, the movie is like an onion.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

But the rest of the movie was worse than the first 1.

Are you trolling us?

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Farquaad being based on Michael Eisner is also kind of missing the point when Katzenburg was instrumental to "evil Disney."

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Warwick Davis is a national treasure.

I agree. After all, it takes some badassery to impale some dude with his own bong.

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Farquaad did nothing wrong

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averagejoel posted...

it's worth noting that, in the musical, Farquaad's dad was a dwarf. in addition to explaining his height, this adds another layer into the idea that he wants to be seen as something he's not: he's deporting all the magical creatures despite being a magical creature himself

Little people are magical creatures?

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