Current Events > Do you think that humanity is a failure?

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Hell no. We've somehow survived this long, we're a success story if there ever was one

It's just we leave destruction in our wake

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Not exactly. Human society is a failure for most and a success for an elite group that exploit and pit the rest of humanity against each other. It doesn't have to be this way though.

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nah, humanity is awesome. every day there is something that impresses me, and I am thankful for every day that I have lived.
yeah, bad stuff happens, but it's outweighed by all the good. progress is made every day, a little bit at a time.

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Yes. I'm confident intelligent life exists outside of our planet, they observe us and are like.. nope. Not introducing ourselves anytime soon.

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We'd need a purpose beyond just existing to actually fail it.

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Not yet. Let's see if we can get to space.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Not yet. Let's see if we can get to space.

didn't we already? i mean some of us

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You cant be a failure if there is no win condition

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We're starting to come close to failing, certainly.

I got AC and sex, let the good times roll. Species perfected imo

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compared to......all the other animals? i think it's pretty clear that we're the winners in this scenario.

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There are 7.8 billion people, and 3 of them are in space, orbiting the planet in a tin can only 117 years after the first powered flight. I don't know how anyone can call that failure.

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AlisLandale posted...

You cant be a failure if there is no win condition

but there's a lose condition like killing each other senselessly or just depleting/polluting the natural resources the earth has that provides life for living beings

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mustachedmystic posted...

There are 7.8 billion people, and 3 of them are in space, orbiting the planet in a tin can only 117 years after the first powered flight. I don't know how anyone can call that failure.

but do you think all 7.8 billion are capable of that? the space, thing?

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

compared to......all the other animals? i think it's pretty clear that we're the winners in this scenario.

This. Not that life on Earth has a "goal", but we're the only animals that we know of in all the cosmos that have any awareness of the greater universe and its rules. Not sure what would constitute a success if not that.

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Smallville posted...

but do you think all 7.8 billion are capable of that? the space, thing?

Of course not, not with current tech.

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We've done much better than any other species. We've got our flaws but then again the universe as a whole is flawed.

Cheese_Crackers posted...

This. Not that life on Earth has a "goal", but we're the only animals that we know of in all the cosmos that have any awareness of the greater universe and its rules. Not sure what would constitute a success if not that.

I dunno man, ya don't see animals blow themselves up in the name of a fake god, create genocides, etc.

I'll take simplicity over manipulation.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

I dunno man, ya don't see animals blow themselves up in the name of a fake god, create genocides, etc.

I'll take simplicity over manipulation.

other animals eat their own children and rip off their rivals testicles for the right to banging a harem.

given any species enough intelligence and theyll be just as stupid as us


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AlisLandale posted...

other animals eat their own children and rip off their rivals testicles for the right to banging a harem.

given any species enough intelligence and theyll be just as stupid as us

Which animals eat their own children? Usually that's a last measure for starvation.

Regardless, I never said that other animals aren't brutal. Just that they don't delude and bullshit themselves thinking they exist for some higher purpose.

what are these random, edgy topics that have been popping up recently?

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Which animals eat their own children? Usually that's a last measure for starvation.

Regardless, I never said that other animals aren't brutal. Just that they don't delude and bullshit themselves thinking they exist for some higher purpose.

They don't have the brain capacity to even comprehend higher purposes. What a dumb post.

thrashmetal14 posted...

They don't have the brain capacity to even comprehend higher purposes. What a dumb post.

No fucking shit, hence why I said that I prefer simplicity.

Learn to read.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Which animals eat their own children? Usually that's a last measure for starvation.

Regardless, I never said that other animals aren't brutal. Just that they don't delude and bullshit themselves thinking they exist for some higher purpose.

This is pretty common among rodents and fish. Not even a starvation thing, pet owners will usually have to separate new brood from the mother. More of an instinctual fluke.

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Giving anyone a platform to speak is obviously that

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

No fucking shit, hence why I said that I prefer simplicity.

Learn to read.

You didn't say that in the post I quoted. Good for you, I guess.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Which animals eat their own children? Usually that's a last measure for starvation.

Regardless, I never said that other animals aren't brutal. Just that they don't delude and bullshit themselves thinking they exist for some higher purpose.

Lots of mammals (hamsters and cats come to mind) will eat their own newborn children if they feel unsafe. Doesn't even matter if they actually are unsafe. But anyway, in my view humans aren't any more brutal than other animals. We just have the smarts to be more dangerous. Give a group of lions enough time and they will surely destroy each other. Difference is that we can build things to improve our lives.

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Pretty sure it was Guinea Pigs that will eat their own kids. Or one of those common rodents people use as pets. Ive seen enough people complain about it.

a higher purpose doesnt give people a motivation to be terrible. It gives them an excuse.

you get rid of religion, politics, wealth class, eventually some kind of distinction is going to be made, and some sociopathic megalomaniac is going to exploit that and we start Mr Bones Wild Ride all over again

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Animals do horrible things to eachother all the time.

AlisLandale posted...

a higher purpose doesnt give people a motivation to be terrible. It gives them an excuse.

It's actually a requirement for survival. Every society and culture in human history has developed some form of explaining existence. Gods, deities, etc. A need for meaning is intrinsic in humans. And when that rival tribe over the hillside has a completely different set of gods, that threatens the very fabric of your own tribe's existence, and they must be killed.

It's easy to brainwash people when that need for importance is so strong.

The earth has never had a more intelligent species spawn from it than us. We won't have the longevity of other long extinct species but our mark will be here until the sun dies.

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Compared to what? The dinosaurs? Humanity is a successful species.

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I would say self-centeredness and greed has undermined a lot of the good qualities of humanity. Everyone's still gotta be in it for themselves at the end of the day.

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No, because I have no reasonable or objective metrics to measure success. Without a clear goal or purpose to humanity, it is difficult to call it a failure.

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Jabodie posted...

No, because I have no reasonable or objective metrics to measure success. Without a clear goal or purpose to humanity, it is difficult to call it a failure.

I wanted to say something similar but I made my post right before it hit me.

There is no benchmark to compare humanity to, we don't interact with a sentient species that has demonstrated better character than our society, so all we have is the ability to look at ourselves and ask if we're doing all we can to do right by ourselves. So in that regard, it may look bad for some of what humanity causes upon itself, but realistically maybe it's all that the human psyche is capable of. There are some things that you just can't wean out of the way the human mind works, even if we don't think they're beneficial to a working society.

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Anyways, I take back my remarks of saying I prefer simplicity. The intelligence of humans likely also enriches the experience of life and existence, and that's both a beauty and a tragedy. Not necessarily good or bad.

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No, we are arguably the most successful organism in the history of the planet.

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Turbam posted...

No, we are arguably the most successful organism in the history of the planet.

what about dinosaurs though?

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Smallville posted...

what about dinosaurs though?

Also arguable.
imo, it's between humans, dinosaurs, bacteria, and trilobites

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Smallville posted...

what about dinosaurs though?

dinosaurs are not really a singular group, at least not in the sense humans are

neither are bacteria

(maybe the most successful are like.. grasses or something lol)

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arent' trilobites extinct?

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Hell no, people saying yes ster just being edgy
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No, I dont think humanity is a failure.

Our population has exploded and we mold the environment to suit our own needs. We have split the atom and are exploring outer space, in one form or another. You could make an argument that the methods have been unethical or maybe immoral in some way, but the results are based on us, as a species, being the exact opposite of a failure.

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Just conservatives.
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Smallville posted...

arent' trilobites extinct?

smh rip

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The_Korey posted...

We'd need a purpose beyond just existing to actually fail it.

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