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DevsBro 06/08/20 8:21:04 AM #1:	Ask them about FF7. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:940348767] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Ask them about FF7. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueAnnihilator 06/08/20 8:23:02 AM #2:	Better yet, mention Sephiroth. --- I agree with you, Blue. - FinalRockerdude, Vgmasta, ZeldaFan42, ObservanTeMK, Magoo111, E121Phi, re4master543, PJiddy, bloodmage3 (cont. in quote) <cite>BlueAnnihilator posted [p:940348795] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Better yet, mention Sephiroth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 06/08/20 8:26:07 AM #3:	BlueAnnihilator posted... Better yet, mention Sephiroth. Kefka is the best Villian in video game history!!!!! --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:940348853] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>BlueAnnihilator posted... </cite> <quote>Better yet, mention Sephiroth.</quote> Kefka is the best Villian in video game history!!!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 8:28:15 AM #4:	DevsBro posted... Ask them about FF7. BlueAnnihilator posted... Better yet, mention Sephiroth. KiwiTerraRizing posted... Kefka is the best Villian in video game history!!!!! All correct --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940348892] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Ask them about FF7.</quote> BlueAnnihilator posted... </cite> <quote>Better yet, mention Sephiroth.</quote> KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite> <quote>Kefka is the best Villian in video game history!!!!!</quote>All correct </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 06/08/20 8:30:48 AM #6:	I'm sorry, I liked FF6, but Kefka was not why lol. I don't have any particular issues with the guy but he's just sort of a generic "haha because I'm evil" villain combined with a generic opportunist villain. I mean, he's pretty much Marx from Kirby Superstar exactly. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:940348950] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>I'm sorry, I liked FF6, but Kefka was not why lol. I don't have any particular issues with the guy but he's just sort of a generic "haha because I'm evil" villain combined with a generic opportunist villain. I mean, he's pretty much Marx from Kirby Superstar exactly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 06/08/20 8:31:07 AM #7:	his name was cefca. her name was tina. his name was mash. i actually did know a few people who called him 'cefca' back in the day, back when people called it ff3a. --- https://imgur.com/u1wgDDH <cite>Pancake posted [p:940348962] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>his name was cefca. her name was tina. his name was mash. i actually did know a few people who called him 'cefca' back in the day, back when people called it ff3a.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 8:31:38 AM #8:	dolomedes posted... i mean kefka is an objectively better villain than sephiroth How was he better? Sephiroth was just as ruthless. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940348970] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted... </cite> <quote>i mean kefka is an objectively better villain than sephiroth</quote>How was he better? Sephiroth was just as ruthless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame Zero 06/08/20 8:35:41 AM #9:	"kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....." --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame Zero posted [p:940349047] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>"kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dreamscissors 06/08/20 8:36:30 AM #10:	general bad taste in games --- p-m <cite>Dreamscissors posted [p:940349067] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>general bad taste in games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 8:39:33 AM #11:	Hayame Zero posted... "kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....." How he succeeded in context is something FF6 fans quickly forget. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940349123] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Hayame Zero posted... </cite> <quote>"kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....."</quote>How he succeeded in context is something FF6 fans quickly forget. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 06/08/20 8:41:50 AM #12:	Veggeta X posted... All correct I was mocking those people, Kefka is El Stinko --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:940349172] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>All correct</quote> I was mocking those people, Kefka is El Stinko </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/08/20 8:42:13 AM #13:	Hayame Zero posted... "kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....." He was an interesting character with depth but that was all tucked away behind auxiliary material and not in the game itself. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940349182] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Hayame Zero posted... </cite> <quote>"kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....."</quote> He was an interesting character with depth but that was all tucked away behind auxiliary material and not in the game itself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 8:43:42 AM #14:	Tyranthraxus posted... He was an interesting character with depth but that was all tucked away behind auxiliary material and not in the game itself. Really? Because even the "auxiliary material" for him wasn't interesting from what I know. Do tell. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940349218] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>He was an interesting character with depth but that was all tucked away behind auxiliary material and not in the game itself.</quote>Really? Because even the "auxiliary material" for him wasn't interesting from what I know. Do tell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KiwiTerraRizing 06/08/20 8:47:22 AM #17:	I love FF7 but lets not pretend FF ever produced a great antagonist. Sephiroth looks cool and has an awesome sword, thats why people like him. Kefka is a dime store Joker. Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 is better than any FF bad guy ever by a mile. --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:940349326] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>I love FF7 but lets not pretend FF ever produced a great antagonist. Sephiroth looks cool and has an awesome sword, thats why people like him. Kefka is a dime store Joker. Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 is better than any FF bad guy ever by a mile. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/08/20 8:48:07 AM #18:	Hayame Zero posted... "kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....." He did have one good scene. Or rather, line. ~~I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE YOU!!!~~ --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:940349345] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Hayame Zero posted... </cite> <quote>"kEfKa AcKsHuLlY sUcCeEdEd" Yeah, but was he an interesting character with any depth? "....."</quote>He did have one good scene. Or rather, line. I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE YOU!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 8:49:31 AM #19:	dolomedes posted... lmao you guys are so salty about kefka's existence goddamn Kefka fans not ready for this fire. Blindly calling him the best and can't back it up. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940349379] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>dolomedes posted... </cite> <quote>lmao you guys are so salty about kefka's existence goddamn</quote>Kefka fans not ready for this fire. Blindly calling him the best and can't back it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilJoe457 06/08/20 8:51:36 AM #20:	Lots of weird edgy opinions in here. --- https://imgur.com/tVlkIYH Rip Hana Kimura <cite>lilJoe457 posted [p:940349435] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Lots of weird edgy opinions in here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/08/20 8:54:54 AM #21:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... I love FF7 but lets not pretend FF ever produced a great antagonist. Sephiroth looks cool and has an awesome sword, thats why people like him. Kefka is a dime store Joker. Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 is better than any FF bad guy ever by a mile. Eh, I liked Luca but that's a bit much. Luca is pretty much a slightly improved Kefka, just without a colorful robe. Evil just to be evil. Immature. Filled with rage for no real reason. Heck, he even has a similar role in the badguy army. He does get some bonus points for doing things personally instead of just popping up from nowhere opportunistically and never being seen again until you track him down, and also for one of the greatest boss fights ever though. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:940349535] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite> <quote>I love FF7 but lets not pretend FF ever produced a great antagonist. Sephiroth looks cool and has an awesome sword, thats why people like him. Kefka is a dime store Joker. Luca Blight from Suikoden 2 is better than any FF bad guy ever by a mile.</quote>Eh, I liked Luca but that's a bit much. Luca is pretty much a slightly improved Kefka, just without a colorful robe. Evil just to be evil. Immature. Filled with rage for no real reason. Heck, he even has a similar role in the badguy army. He does get some bonus points for doing things personally instead of just popping up from nowhere opportunistically and never being seen again until you track him down, and also for one of the greatest boss fights ever though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 06/08/20 8:57:17 AM #22:	The greatest villain in FF history was Garland. Nobody else was able to knock them all down. --- https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:940349597] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>The greatest villain in FF history was Garland. Nobody else was able to knock them all down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/08/20 8:57:55 AM #23:	Veggeta X posted... Really? Because even the "auxiliary material" for him wasn't interesting from what I know. Do tell. After the initial magitek infusion done to Kefka, nothing much changed at first. He was still a mostly normal person though he found himself to be completely emotionless and unable to find joy or pleasure in anything. Until one day a trooper got hurt and Kefka thought it was funny. It was also a realization for him that it was the first time he felt anything since the infusion and needed more. With the only thing to make him feel good was hurting other people, he got trapped into a spiral of abuse and atrocity as he constantly needed to one-up his latest escapade which eventually culminated into the destruction of the warring triad to inflict perpetual misery on the world. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940349621] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Really? Because even the "auxiliary material" for him wasn't interesting from what I know. Do tell.</quote> After the initial magitek infusion done to Kefka, nothing much changed at first. He was still a mostly normal person though he found himself to be completely emotionless and unable to find joy or pleasure in anything. Until one day a trooper got hurt and Kefka thought it was funny. It was also a realization for him that it was the first time he felt anything since the infusion and needed more. With the only thing to make him feel good was hurting other people, he got trapped into a spiral of abuse and atrocity as he constantly needed to one-up his latest escapade which eventually culminated into the destruction of the warring triad to inflict perpetual misery on the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Stagmar 06/08/20 9:32:42 AM #25:	Kefka is a better than Sephiroth, but thats an extremely low bar. Most villains are better than Sephiroth. --- 11/11/1572 -- Never Forget. <cite>Stagmar posted [p:940350579] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Kefka is a better than Sephiroth, but thats an extremely low bar. Most villains are better than Sephiroth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 06/08/20 9:33:40 AM #26:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... Kefka is the best Villian in video game history!!!!! Then you hit them with the ol "Who?" --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L https://imgur.com/A3kur0P https://imgur.com/Hj9RrC6 <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:940350601] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite> <quote>Kefka is the best Villian in video game history!!!!!</quote>Then you hit them with the ol "Who?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 06/08/20 9:35:45 AM #27:	Imagine arguing on who is better of those two lamers when Kuja and Caius exist. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:940350681] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Imagine arguing on who is better of those two lamers when Kuja and Caius exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/08/20 9:39:05 AM #28:	DeadBankerDream posted... Imagine arguing on who is better of those two lamers when Kuja and Caius exist. Kuja is basically just what if Cloud went crazy instead of Sephiroth. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940350793] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine arguing on who is better of those two lamers when Kuja and Caius exist.</quote> Kuja is basically just what if Cloud went crazy instead of Sephiroth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 06/08/20 9:39:08 AM #29:	I know kuja, but who the fuck is caius? --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:940350794] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>I know kuja, but who the fuck is caius? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/08/20 9:39:54 AM #30:	Ricemills posted... I know kuja, but who the fuck is caius? FF13-2 --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940350819] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite> <quote>I know kuja, but who the fuck is caius?</quote>FF13-2 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FabIemaster 06/08/20 9:40:22 AM #31:	Kefka is the Joker of FF. Loved by the edgy kids cuz muh funny violent man hyuk hyuk hyuk. Kuja > Sephiroth > Exdeath > Golbez > Sin/Ject > Garland > the rest > Kefka Evil for the sake of being evil isn't interesting at all. I'm all for irredeemable bastards but Kefka ain't it. --- The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact. <cite>FabIemaster posted [p:940350835] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Kefka is the Joker of FF. Loved by the edgy kids cuz muh funny violent man hyuk hyuk hyuk. Kuja > Sephiroth > Exdeath > Golbez > Sin/Ject > Garland > the rest > Kefka Evil for the sake of being evil isn't interesting at all. I'm all for irredeemable bastards but Kefka ain't it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 06/08/20 9:56:52 AM #32:	As remiss as I am stepping into this hate-wanking dog pile - being someone who openly admits that FF 6 is his all-time favorite video game - I'd just like to point out that a character can be one-dimensional and still be memorable and worthwhile. Heath Ledger's Joker is the obvious comparison - no backstory, no deep motivation, and everything that comes out of his mouth is a hollow manipulation tactic used to perpetuate his eternal war against order. Madness can be a lame copout for character motivation if established later (see Game of Thrones...or maybe just take my word for it, if you haven't), but when established from the outset, it's a can be an effective if familiar mad dog allegory, in which those in power use a human molotov cocktail to enforce their will and are invariably shocked when they burn their own houses down (as seen in FF6, TDK, and the Republican Party post-2016, among others). --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:940351353] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>As remiss as I am stepping into this hate-wanking dog pile - being someone who openly admits that FF 6 is his all-time favorite video game - I'd just like to point out that a character can be one-dimensional and still be memorable and worthwhile. Heath Ledger's Joker is the obvious comparison - no backstory, no deep motivation, and everything that comes out of his mouth is a hollow manipulation tactic used to perpetuate his eternal war against order. Madness can be a lame copout for character motivation if established later (see Game of Thrones...or maybe just take my word for it, if you haven't), but when established from the outset, it's a can be an effective if familiar mad dog allegory, in which those in power use a human molotov cocktail to enforce their will and are invariably shocked when they burn their own houses down (as seen in FF6, TDK, and the Republican Party post-2016, among others). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VanananaHeyHey 06/08/20 10:03:01 AM #33:	Terra was hot but so damn damaged. ~~( )~~ --- Please, call me Vanai. CE's official linguist, War-tor-le and Charizard <cite>VanananaHeyHey posted [p:940351538] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Terra was hot but so damn damaged. ( ) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame Zero 06/08/20 10:12:02 AM #34:	FabIemaster posted... Evil for the sake of being evil isn't interesting at all. I'm all for irredeemable bastards but Kefka ain't it. I went from loving Sephiroth, to liking Kefka more after I played VI, and have switched back to really liking Sephiroth more in recent years. The character is still the quintessential edgelord bad guy, but his backstory and motives are so much more interesting. I don't think having a tragic villain like him had been done before on that level in a video game. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame Zero posted [p:940351817] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>FabIemaster posted... </cite> <quote>Evil for the sake of being evil isn't interesting at all. I'm all for irredeemable bastards but Kefka ain't it.</quote>I went from loving Sephiroth, to liking Kefka more after I played VI, and have switched back to really liking Sephiroth more in recent years. The character is still the quintessential edgelord bad guy, but his backstory and motives are so much more interesting. I don't think having a tragic villain like him had been done before on that level in a video game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 06/08/20 10:14:34 AM #35:	As an FF6 fan, I thought that the punchline would be the oldie, "you won't have to, they'll tell you." And I do the advanced IQ play of talking about how much better FF9 is compared to FF7 when asked about FF7. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:940351895] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>As an FF6 fan, I thought that the punchline would be the oldie, "you won't have to, they'll tell you." And I do the advanced IQ play of talking about how much better FF9 is compared to FF7 when asked about FF7. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 10:20:11 AM #36:	As a FF6 fan who loves the game I can tell ya Kefka is prolly one of the weakest point of characters. The main cast however is more than enough to compensate for Kefka being weak as a character. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940352085] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>As a FF6 fan who loves the game I can tell ya Kefka is prolly one of the weakest point of characters. The main cast however is more than enough to compensate for Kefka being weak as a character. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 06/08/20 10:23:26 AM #37:	Of all the villains who destroyed their perspective universe, Kefka was not one of them. ~~"But Kefka caused the world of ruin and only kept people alive to amuse himself until he decided to kill them!!!"~~ Boooooring. --- Last Cloudia ID: 188850453 <cite>Strider102 posted [p:940352182] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Of all the villains who destroyed their perspective universe, Kefka was not one of them. "But Kefka caused the world of ruin and only kept people alive to amuse himself until he decided to kill them!!!" Boooooring. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 06/08/20 10:35:35 AM #38:	masterpug53 posted... As remiss as I am stepping into this hate-wanking dog pile - being someone who openly admits that FF 6 is his all-time favorite video game - I'd just like to point out that a character can be one-dimensional and still be memorable and worthwhile. Heath Ledger's Joker is the obvious comparison - no backstory, no deep motivation, and everything that comes out of his mouth is a hollow manipulation tactic used to perpetuate his eternal war against order. Madness can be a lame copout for character motivation if established later (see Game of Thrones...or maybe just take my word for it, if you haven't), but when established from the outset, it's a can be an effective if familiar mad dog allegory, in which those in power use a human molotov cocktail to enforce their will and are invariably shocked when they burn their own houses down (as seen in FF6, TDK, and the Republican Party post-2016, among others). Well said --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:940352557] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>masterpug53 posted... </cite> <quote>As remiss as I am stepping into this hate-wanking dog pile - being someone who openly admits that FF 6 is his all-time favorite video game - I'd just like to point out that a character can be one-dimensional and still be memorable and worthwhile. Heath Ledger's Joker is the obvious comparison - no backstory, no deep motivation, and everything that comes out of his mouth is a hollow manipulation tactic used to perpetuate his eternal war against order. Madness can be a lame copout for character motivation if established later (see Game of Thrones...or maybe just take my word for it, if you haven't), but when established from the outset, it's a can be an effective if familiar mad dog allegory, in which those in power use a human molotov cocktail to enforce their will and are invariably shocked when they burn their own houses down (as seen in FF6, TDK, and the Republican Party post-2016, among others).</quote> Well said </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 10:49:08 AM #39:	masterpug53 posted... As remiss as I am stepping into this hate-wanking dog pile - being someone who openly admits that FF 6 is his all-time favorite video game - I'd just like to point out that a character can be one-dimensional and still be memorable and worthwhile. Heath Ledger's Joker is the obvious comparison - no backstory, no deep motivation, and everything that comes out of his mouth is a hollow manipulation tactic used to perpetuate his eternal war against order. Madness can be a lame copout for character motivation if established later (see Game of Thrones...or maybe just take my word for it, if you haven't), but when established from the outset, it's a can be an effective if familiar mad dog allegory, in which those in power use a human molotov cocktail to enforce their will and are invariably shocked when they burn their own houses down (as seen in FF6, TDK, and the Republican Party post-2016, among others). What I love about Kefka fans is that most of they don't even know his whole story and yet they some how think he's the best. Kefka has a backstory. He has almost no similarity to Heath's joker other than being fucking insane. Joker likes to play games and likes to bring out the worst out of people through manipulation, he just doesn't kill for the sake of killing. Joker literally is a mad genius. Kefka is none of that. Everything Kefka does is not well planned, he wings it and goes with what he see's. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940353047] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>masterpug53 posted... </cite> <quote>As remiss as I am stepping into this hate-wanking dog pile - being someone who openly admits that FF 6 is his all-time favorite video game - I'd just like to point out that a character can be one-dimensional and still be memorable and worthwhile. Heath Ledger's Joker is the obvious comparison - no backstory, no deep motivation, and everything that comes out of his mouth is a hollow manipulation tactic used to perpetuate his eternal war against order. Madness can be a lame copout for character motivation if established later (see Game of Thrones...or maybe just take my word for it, if you haven't), but when established from the outset, it's a can be an effective if familiar mad dog allegory, in which those in power use a human molotov cocktail to enforce their will and are invariably shocked when they burn their own houses down (as seen in FF6, TDK, and the Republican Party post-2016, among others).</quote>What I love about Kefka fans is that most of they don't even know his whole story and yet they some how think he's the best. Kefka has a backstory. He has almost no similarity to Heath's joker other than being fucking insane. Joker likes to play games and likes to bring out the worst out of people through manipulation, he just doesn't kill for the sake of killing. Joker literally is a mad genius. Kefka is none of that. Everything Kefka does is not well planned, he wings it and goes with what he see's. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 06/08/20 11:25:08 AM #40:	Veggeta X posted... What I love about Kefka fans is that most of they don't even know his whole story and yet they some how think he's the best. Kefka has a backstory. He has almost no similarity to Heath's joker other than being fucking insane. Joker likes to play games and likes to bring out the worst out of people through manipulation, he just doesn't kill for the sake of killing. Joker literally is a mad genius. Kefka is none of that. Everything Kefka does is not well planned, he wings it and goes with what he see's. Splash some cold water on your hateboner, bruh. I never said Kefka was 'the best evur,' I merely like him, and see enough parallels between him and a character that's almost universally beloved and rarely besmirched that I felt it's worthy of comparison. One bit of dialogue from some random NPC in Vector doesn't amount to a deep backstory; that's even assuming that this guy who heard from a guy who heard from a guy knows the full story to begin with, which arguably puts it on par with Joker's various 'do you know how I got these scars' bits in terms of face-value believability. And which of Kefka's actions throughout the first half of the game - ~~poisoning Doma's water supply, leading an army to Narshe, killing Leo and wiping out the Espers~~ - defies premeditation to the point where his actions could be constantly written off as 'winging it?' And while it's not strictly relevant to the topic at hand, the Joker's plans as presented in TDK are so logistics-defying over-the-top that he couldn't pull off a single one of them without the constant direct intervention of fate, so I wouldn't put his ability to plan in a league of its own. The only thing I can think of that fits this bill is ~~taking control of the Warring Triad and subsequently the world~~; 'winging it' would be quite accurate in this case. However, while I still rank this as one of my favorite gaming sequences, I don't believe I've ever lauded Kefka as some tactical genius for bringing it about; ~~it's more that Gestahl was so arrogant as to not realize he had no control over his mad dog until it was too late.~~ --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:940354245] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>What I love about Kefka fans is that most of they don't even know his whole story and yet they some how think he's the best. Kefka has a backstory. He has almost no similarity to Heath's joker other than being fucking insane. Joker likes to play games and likes to bring out the worst out of people through manipulation, he just doesn't kill for the sake of killing. Joker literally is a mad genius. Kefka is none of that. Everything Kefka does is not well planned, he wings it and goes with what he see's.</quote> Splash some cold water on your hateboner, bruh. I never said Kefka was 'the best evur,' I merely like him, and see enough parallels between him and a character that's almost universally beloved and rarely besmirched that I felt it's worthy of comparison. One bit of dialogue from some random NPC in Vector doesn't amount to a deep backstory; that's even assuming that this guy who heard from a guy who heard from a guy knows the full story to begin with, which arguably puts it on par with Joker's various 'do you know how I got these scars' bits in terms of face-value believability. And which of Kefka's actions throughout the first half of the game - poisoning Doma's water supply, leading an army to Narshe, killing Leo and wiping out the Espers - defies premeditation to the point where his actions could be constantly written off as 'winging it?' And while it's not strictly relevant to the topic at hand, the Joker's plans as presented in TDK are so logistics-defying over-the-top that he couldn't pull off a single one of them without the constant direct intervention of fate, so I wouldn't put his ability to plan in a league of its own. The only thing I can think of that fits this bill is taking control of the Warring Triad and subsequently the world; 'winging it' would be quite accurate in this case. However, while I still rank this as one of my favorite gaming sequences, I don't believe I've ever lauded Kefka as some tactical genius for bringing it about; it's more that Gestahl was so arrogant as to not realize he had no control over his mad dog until it was too late. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/08/20 11:26:04 AM #41:	Veggeta X posted... Everything Kefka does is not well planned, Literally everything he did was well planned. Now in a few places his plans get foiled by the protagonists but they were all deliberate. ~~he knew Terra was already at Figaro before arriving there, he was looking to see if Edgar would give her up.~~ ~~he put Celes in Figaro Town as a plant to spy on the returners for him. That plan led him to the magicite he was after although in the end Celes had a change of heart and abandoned the empire.~~ ~~the poisoning of doma let him both kill an entire kingdom while "getting caught" by the empire so that he could later stage an invasion with Gestahl into the land of espers.~~ ~~he then steals the warring triad's power for his own and then betrays Gestahl. The only problem with this plan was he got foiled by Shadow.~~ --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940354285] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Everything Kefka does is not well planned,</quote> Literally everything he did was well planned. Now in a few places his plans get foiled by the protagonists but they were all deliberate. he knew Terra was already at Figaro before arriving there, he was looking to see if Edgar would give her up. he put Celes in Figaro Town as a plant to spy on the returners for him. That plan led him to the magicite he was after although in the end Celes had a change of heart and abandoned the empire. the poisoning of doma let him both kill an entire kingdom while "getting caught" by the empire so that he could later stage an invasion with Gestahl into the land of espers. he then steals the warring triad's power for his own and then betrays Gestahl. The only problem with this plan was he got foiled by Shadow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 06/08/20 11:27:21 AM #42:	How do you identify an FF6 fan? I accuse them of being a thief and wait for them to correct me about being a "treasure hunter" If they say "materia hunter", I remind them that the term is magicite and they're unwelcome in this space. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:940354330] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote><quote>How do you identify an FF6 fan?</quote> I accuse them of being a thief and wait for them to correct me about being a "treasure hunter" If they say "materia hunter", I remind them that the term is magicite and they're unwelcome in this space.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 06/08/20 11:29:58 AM #43:	philsov posted... I accuse them of being a thief and wait for them to correct me about being a "treasure hunter" If they say "materia hunter", I remind them that the term is magicite and they're unwelcome in this space. Semantic nonsense! --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:940354409] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>philsov posted... </cite> <quote>I accuse them of being a thief and wait for them to correct me about being a "treasure hunter" If they say "materia hunter", I remind them that the term is magicite and they're unwelcome in this space.</quote> Semantic nonsense! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 06/08/20 11:30:08 AM #44:	Them having good tastes --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:940354419] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Them having good tastes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 06/08/20 11:32:40 AM #45:	Actually (and I can't believe I didn't think of this sooner), the best way to tell is whether someone actually knows where my username comes from, or if they think it has something to do with the dog breed. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:940354510] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Actually (and I can't believe I didn't think of this sooner), the best way to tell is whether someone actually knows where my username comes from, or if they think it has something to do with the dog breed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 11:34:59 AM #46:	Tyranthraxus posted... Literally everything he did was well planned. Now in a few places his plans get foiled by the protagonists but they were all deliberate. ~~he knew Terra was already at Figaro before arriving there, he was looking to see if Edgar would give her up.~~ ~~he put Celes in Figaro Town as a plant to spy on the returners for him. That plan led him to the magicite he was after although in the end Celes had a change of heart and abandoned the empire.~~ ~~the poisoning of doma let him both kill an entire kingdom while "getting caught" by the empire so that he could later stage an invasion with Gestahl into the land of espers.~~ ~~he then steals the warring triad's power for his own and then betrays Gestahl. The only problem with this plan was he got foiled by Shadow.~~ Some of those are farfetched speculations to give the dude far more credit than he really has. That's laughable you would do this. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940354580] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Literally everything he did was well planned. Now in a few places his plans get foiled by the protagonists but they were all deliberate. he knew Terra was already at Figaro before arriving there, he was looking to see if Edgar would give her up. he put Celes in Figaro Town as a plant to spy on the returners for him. That plan led him to the magicite he was after although in the end Celes had a change of heart and abandoned the empire. the poisoning of doma let him both kill an entire kingdom while "getting caught" by the empire so that he could later stage an invasion with Gestahl into the land of espers. he then steals the warring triad's power for his own and then betrays Gestahl. The only problem with this plan was he got foiled by Shadow.</quote>Some of those are farfetched speculations to give the dude far more credit than he really has. That's laughable you would do this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 11:35:10 AM #47:	masterpug53 posted... Semantic nonsense! There's some irony in this post. You downplaying Joker and up-playing Kefka to make them similar and comparable. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940354588] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>masterpug53 posted... </cite> <quote>Semantic nonsense!</quote>There's some irony in this post. You downplaying Joker and up-playing Kefka to make them similar and comparable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gafemage 06/08/20 11:37:54 AM #48:	Good topic. --- https://imgur.com/IxQOhWJ <cite>Gafemage posted [p:940354675] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Good topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 06/08/20 11:39:53 AM #49:	Veggeta X posted... There's some irony in this post. You downplaying Joker and up-playing Kefka to make them similar and comparable. Quality rebuttal, in which you totally save face over conveniently forgetting that Kefka actually did things in the game other than push a few statues around. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:940354746] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>There's some irony in this post. You downplaying Joker and up-playing Kefka to make them similar and comparable.</quote> Quality rebuttal, in which you totally save face over conveniently forgetting that Kefka actually did things in the game other than push a few statues around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 06/08/20 11:46:04 AM #50:	I swear, it's generational. If FF7 was one's gateway to the series, their experiences are going to be shaped in that direction, and likewise for the pre-PSX games. Sort of like the 2D/3D Zelda divide. My gateway was FF4 and I still have a taste for that style. Never owned a PSX so I had to make do with the PC versions of 7 and 8, which were...eh. Couldn't stop playing them no matter how janky the ports felt, though. --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:940354967] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>I swear, it's generational. If FF7 was one's gateway to the series, their experiences are going to be shaped in that direction, and likewise for the pre-PSX games. Sort of like the 2D/3D Zelda divide. My gateway was FF4 and I still have a taste for that style. Never owned a PSX so I had to make do with the PC versions of 7 and 8, which were...eh. Couldn't stop playing them no matter how janky the ports felt, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/08/20 11:49:33 AM #51:	He did evil things, sure. Well planned and calculated? Naw, he just wanted to kill and destroy and found the simplest ways to do it. When you have a very short mindset on doing something you're going to get those results. Believing almost every plan or action was thought and did by Kefka is giving him way too much credit. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:940355097] in How do you... [t:78754894]...</cite> <quote>He did evil things, sure. Well planned and calculated? Naw, he just wanted to kill and destroy and found the simplest ways to do it. When you have a very short mindset on doing something you're going to get those results. Believing almost every plan or action was thought and did by Kefka is giving him way too much credit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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