Current Events > Minneapolis votes to disband police department

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TheGoldenEel posted...

yes, this is how police think

thanks for the lack of any actual meaningful contribution

Was that idea supposed to be a meaningful contribution. The literal idea of a hallway monitor but in real life? More speed cameras? Say goodbye to getting a warning, say goodbye to dropped charges. Aint no arguing with a camera, pay your fee online. Hopefully those social workers never run into a violent person

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The best part is, theyre literally abolishing the police but want another police department to come take over until they decide what theyre

. I hope they say no

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AlephZero posted...

The police can be replaced by community safety organizations. Let communities police themselves.

A neighborhood watch member has never murdered an innocent person...

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I cant wait for the George zimmerman types to sweep the streets lmao.

gang members in Chicago are literally having shoot outs in front of the cops. But lets send a group of unarmed Karens with deescalation training! They will stop the senseless violence and end the crime problem in low income areas

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I have a legit question. Lets say the social worker responded to a domestic dispute. Im going to give a serious example of call I went on. Verbal only, guy just snaps and starts trying to strangle the woman. My partner and I get into a fight to get him in handcuffs. Lets say a social worker replaced us, what would they do?

or a calm mentally person just snaps while talking to the social worker, which happens often.

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Sounds interesting

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This. Will. Be. AWESOME!

Imagine the Purge, but every day instead of once a year.

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Zeus posted...

This. Will. Be. AWESOME!

Imagine the Purge, but every day instead of once a year.

So there will be nobody to stop me from doing what I want essentially. Security guards have no legal authority. Ill be walking in and out Best Buy with shit every day . What does it matter if I get a ticket from a camera? Theres nobody to give me a warrant and arrest me. A camera isnt going to see my license is suspended

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darkprince45 posted...

So there will be nobody to stop me from doing what I want essentially. Security guards have no legal authority. Ill be walking in and out Best Buy with shit every day . What does it matter if I get a ticket from a camera? Theres nobody to give me a warrant and arrest me. A camera isnt going to see my license is suspended

That's right, they need more cameras! The outside world will want to watch the action as shit goes to hell in the absence of law enforcement.

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This board is strongly against traffic cameras. I remember this board cheering like maniacs when most major cities got rid of them. They will now be for it

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Man and I thought liberals were dramatic

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darkprince45 posted...

This board is strongly against traffic cameras. I remember this board cheering like maniacs when most major cities got rid of them. They will now be for it

Err no. I'm still against traffic cameras.

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Anyway.

This guy fired every single policeman in his country (around 45,000) for bribery and corruption and retrained a completely new police force from the ground up and things worked out great. And for a few months there weren't any cops and huge shocker things didn't turn into anarchy during that time.

https://englishrussia.com/2011/02/25/brand-new-georgian-police/

Sometimes the police just are the problem.

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You really want to compare a small country to America lol . Gang members are literally shooting looters in front of the police without fear. What other country is this going on besides Mexico

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Conservative and moderates seem to share the worldview that huge portions of the population or maybe humanity itself is wicked and can only be controlled through surveillance, violence, and incarceration.

They believe this is baked in because criminal/anti social behavior is caused by fundamental character flaws that are personal, cultural, or racial in character, they aren't caused by poverty or discrimination or being watched and controlled intensely. Or they believe maybe the reasons are caused by these outside factors, but that nothing can or should be done to change these conditions. They wanna just fix it on the back end by chucking the underclass in jail or shooting them.

That's what I'm seeing from the people in this topic who believe this will inexorably lead to a Mad Max/Purge style hellscape. The only way to deal with interpersonal or property crimes is to wait until it happens and then punish the evildoers harshly or surveil them and prevent them from commiting the crimes that they would of course inevitably commit.

There's no possibility of housing the homeless, educating the marginalized, treating the addicted, deescalating interpersonal conflicts, de-concentrating and eliminating poverty. No, all of these issues MUST be addressed by armed agents of the state or society will collapse.

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how do you plan on punishing people later? Who is going to get them? Who is going to arrest them? You think hes going to come court and be like punish me? Are the unarmed hall monitors going to show up at his house and tell him to come outside?

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darkprince45 posted...

how do you plan on punishing people later? Who is going to get them? Who is going to arrest them? You think hes going to come court and be like punish me? Are the unarmed hall monitors going to show up at his house and tell him to come outside?

He will have to hear them protest outside of his home until he gives himself up.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Yep this definitely came from the same guy who said he supports fascism

Ah I love living rent free

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darkprince45 posted...

I have a legit question. Lets say the social worker responded to a domestic dispute. Im going to give a serious example of call I went on. Verbal only, guy just snaps and starts trying to strangle the woman. My partner and I get into a fight to get him in handcuffs. Lets say a social worker replaced us, what would they do?

or a calm mentally person just snaps while talking to the social worker, which happens often.

none of that matters. Defund the police. BLM. Fuck Trump.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

Police are the violent thugs committing all crimes. Minneapolis would be a peaceful community with no violence if the police were gone.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Get rid of racism, crime goes away. Disbanding the police departments is the first step towards eliminating racism.

@thrashmetal14 and @EndOfDiscOne What are you two smoking? Do you realize that some people who have nothing to do with the police are monsters? Some people are just bad, and it has nothing to do with the police or racism. You really think it'll be all sunshine and rainbows if all police are disbanded? What kind of fantasy world are you two living in?

Roxborough4Ever posted...

none of that matters. Defund the police. BLM. Fuck Trump.

He had a legitimate question. Why doesn't what he said matter @Roxborough4Ever ?

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legendary_zell posted...

Conservative and moderates seem to share the worldview that huge portions of the population or maybe humanity itself is wicked and can only be controlled through surveillance, violence, and incarceration.

Do you lock your doors at night?

RustyFerret posted...

Do you lock your doors at night?

Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont. Because we live in a world where people aren't given even the bare minimum of resources to succeed. That doesn't mean I believe all of the people outside are inherently wicked, greedy, and incorrigible. They wouldn't even think about doing anything to me if they had their own needs met. Instead we live in a world where we clearly don't meet people's needs and then barricade ourselves into gated communities and get the police to shoot anyone who tries to cross the line.

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legendary_zell posted...

They wouldn't even think about doing anything to me if they had their own needs met.

@legendary_zell That's not reality. Some people just like hurting other people (like bad cops, for example). That's just the way the world is. Rapists, for example, rape women because it gives them a power trip. Not because their needs aren't met. Child molesters and stalkers are also other examples of monsters.

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The Sock posted...

@legendary_zell That's not reality. Some people just like hurting other people (like bad cops, for example). That's just the way the world is. Rapists, for example, rape women because it gives them a power trip. Not because their needs aren't met. Child molesters and stalkers are also other examples of monsters.

Yes, and these are a pretty small section of society. Being murdered or raped by strangers is pretty uncommon. It doesn't really make sense to build a whole society around violently repressing these people. Especially since police respond to their acts, they don't prevent them with force.

The way to prevent stalkers for example isn't armed cops, it's teaching people emotional skills and relationship boundaries, combined with a culture that takes it seriously. We don't need cops in schools because rapists exist.

If were addressing the crime caused by economics reasons and the ones caused by poor mental health or attitude, basically all that's left is the born sociopaths and we definitely don't need the current police state for just them.

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legendary_zell posted...

Yes, and these are a pretty small section of society. Being murdered or raped by strangers is pretty uncommon. It doesn't really make sense to build a whole society around violently repressing these people. Especially since police respond to their acts, they don't prevent them with force.

The way to prevent stalkers for example isn't armed cops, it's teaching people emotional skills and relationship boundaries, combined with a culture that takes it seriously. We don't need cops in schools because rapists exist.

If were addressing the crime caused by economics reasons and the ones caused by poor mental health or attitude, basically all that's left is the born sociopaths and we definitely don't need the current police state for just them.

How about people being raped or murdered by people they know?

And how about child predators?

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Whelp, I'll add that to my list of places to not visit.

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So who will look after the streets?

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The Sock posted...

How about people being raped or murdered by people they know?

And how about child predators?

Both can be decreased by better mental health services and destigmatizing, but not accepting messed up thoughts. You can't report this review thoughts to the policy now without worrying about being watched or arrested. Having a different institutions would help. That doesn't mean nothing should happen to rapists and murders, but again, we don't need anything like the current police institutions to handle these issues. And they're not handling them.

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legendary_zell posted...

Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont. Because we live in a world where people aren't given even the bare minimum of resources to succeed. That doesn't mean I believe all of the people outside are inherently wicked, greedy, and incorrigible. They wouldn't even think about doing anything to me if they had their own needs met. Instead we live in a world where we clearly don't meet people's needs and then barricade ourselves into gated communities and get the police to shoot anyone who tries to cross the line.

People want more than their needs and that leads to inequity naturally.