Current Events > many black american activists and intellectuals are/were were socialists

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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 5:11:31 PM
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Lucy Parsons
Angela Davis
The Panthers
Kwame Ture
Fred Hampton
Aaron Dixon (hampton and Dixon were part of other BP chapters outside the main oakland one)
MLK
X
W.E.B Dubois
Ella Baker
James Baldwin
Richard Wright
Paul Robeson
Cornel West
Adolph Reed

there are def tons i'm forgetting

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FortuneCookie
06/06/20 5:13:03 PM
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One side preaches segregation.
The other preaches integration and social equality.

Which would you side with?

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coh
06/06/20 5:13:23 PM
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And
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VVALLBOUNCE
06/06/20 5:13:59 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
One side preaches segregation.
The other preaches integration and social equality.

Which would you side with?

If this is referring to dem/rep just lmao, both parties are extremely hateful

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pinky0926
06/06/20 5:15:56 PM
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VVALLBOUNCE posted...
If this is referring to dem/rep just lmao, both parties are extremely hateful


Side A: I hate you for wanting to be afforded the same rights as me
Side B: I hate that you think that way

bOtH sIDes

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CommonStar
06/06/20 5:16:45 PM
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Probably has to do with how capitalism and racism are intertwined.
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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 5:17:41 PM
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coh posted...
And


Racism cannot be separated from capitalism - Angela Davis

You can not have capitalism with Racism - X

Racism is not a question of attitude; it's a question of power. Racism gets its power from capitalism. Thus, if you're anti-racist, whether you know it or not, you must be anti-capitalist. - Kwame Ture

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pinky0926
06/06/20 5:19:07 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
Racism cannot be separated from capitalism - Angela Davis

You can not have capitalism with Racism - X

Racism is not a question of attitude; it's a question of power. Racism gets its power from capitalism. Thus, if you're anti-racist, whether you know it or not, you must be anti-capitalist. - Kwame Ture

Dunno if you've noticed yet but coh is a vehement "all lives matter" guy

Really thinks he's winning big boy intellectual points for being the contrarian in every conversation about race right now

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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 5:19:39 PM
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i'm aware

pretty sure he's proudclad or something

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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 5:20:07 PM
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also kwame ture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKnJL2jfA5A

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Webmaster4531
06/06/20 5:20:15 PM
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Has Thomas Sowell talked about covid lock-downs?
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coh
06/06/20 5:21:40 PM
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Capitalism has zero to do with race.
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pinky0926
06/06/20 5:22:20 PM
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coh posted...
Capitalism has zero to do with race.

But racism has plenty to do with capitalism

All pigs are swine

Not all swine are pigs

etc

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Webmaster4531
06/06/20 5:22:39 PM
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coh posted...
Capitalism has zero to do with race.
Why are black people dying disproportionately to covid then?
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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 5:23:47 PM
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coh posted...
Capitalism has zero to do with race.

patently wrong. But we all know you haven't read anything on the matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTvglJr_qtM

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Taharqa_
06/06/20 5:23:55 PM
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coh posted...
Capitalism has zero to do with race.



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Dreamscissors
06/06/20 5:28:20 PM
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Most decent and sensible people are/were socialists.

My main account is in purgatory for suggesting there's a link between capitalism and racism. I hate this site sometimes.

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FortuneCookie
06/06/20 6:08:12 PM
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VVALLBOUNCE posted...
If this is referring to dem/rep just lmao, both parties are extremely hateful

It's referring to America during and prior to the Civil Rights Movement. I don't want to paint the nation with a single brushstroke and say that all capitalists were staunch bigots. But racism was the status quo of the nation and a top priority in about half of it.

Black people had no protection from White aggression. Musician Bessie Smith died because no ambulance came when one was called for and because she could not be taken to a nearby White hospital. Emmett Till was murdered for whistling at a White Woman. Entertainment media had to reaffirm the standards of the day. The Hays Code made it illegal for a movie to feature romance between White people and Black people. The 1943 movie Bataan was banned from showing in the South because it depicted a World War 2 battalion as being integrated. In the South, Black children were often not allowed to play with White children and most certainly were not allowed to attend the same schools. Even some of the Northern States had problems with that. Indiana schools were not integrated until the 1950s.

Now you take an America for which that is a day-to-day reality, picture yourself in the position of the ones feeling the brunt of it, and you tell me which makes more sense: promote capitalism in the hopes of one day making it rich yourself or aligning yourself with a social and political movement which promises equality at a potential loss to personal financial gain?

There were wealthy Black people in the US; even in the early to mid 20th century. But far more of them were more concerned with their basic rights and basic needs than what figure they reached. Even some who were personally advantaged were still concerned to what happened to them as a people. (The trend continues to this day.)

I don't personally side with socialism, but it absolutely made a world of sense to side with it over the prospect of continued oppression. Even now, I still can see the advantages of socialism at a distance.

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coh
06/06/20 6:10:52 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
patently wrong. But we all know you haven't read anything on the matter
It literally doesn't, which would be apparent to anyone who understands what capitalism actually is.

"The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy"

"Capitalism knows only one color: that color is green; all else is necessarily subservient to it , hence, race, gender and ethnicity cannot be considered within it."
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Dreamscissors
06/06/20 6:11:42 PM
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coh posted...
It literally doesn't, which would be apparent to anyone who understands what capitalism actually is.

"The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy"

"Capitalism knows only one color: that color is green; all else is necessarily subservient to it , hence, race, gender and ethnicity cannot be considered within it."
Where did you get this bullshit from?

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Prismsblade
06/06/20 6:12:51 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Why are black people dying disproportionately to covid then?
Obesity, and poor health in general.

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averagejoel
06/06/20 6:13:07 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Has Thomas Sowell talked about covid lock-downs?
is he the dude who couldn't think of a more pressing issue facing society than the allocation of beachfront homes?

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coh
06/06/20 6:13:24 PM
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Dreamscissors posted...
Where did you get this bullshit from?
Excuse me?

Why are there so many communists on CE
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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 6:15:14 PM
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where did you get that bullshit from?

answer the question proudclad

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coh
06/06/20 6:15:55 PM
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The quotes are from Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell
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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 6:18:26 PM
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lmfao figures

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WingsOfGood
06/06/20 6:19:53 PM
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They were were-socialists? So like in a full moon they transform?
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coh
06/06/20 6:20:34 PM
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I wish I was Proudclad btw. He is great at dealing with the economically illiterate
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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 6:21:25 PM
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i mean he's economically illiterate himself

he just uncritically parrots free market stuff

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FlameTurtle
06/06/20 6:25:43 PM
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We did it guys, capitalism solved racism! It's over!
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IShall_Run_Amok
06/06/20 6:25:47 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
They were were-socialists? So like in a full moon they transform?
Lucy Parsons transforming into a bloodthirsty were-socialist by moonlight is a movie I want to make.

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Paper_Okami
06/06/20 6:28:02 PM
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god dammit

i fucked up the title lol

well i've given birth to a new conservative panic horror sub-genre

were-socialists

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Webmaster4531
06/06/20 8:48:19 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Why are black people dying disproportionately to covid then?
Obesity, and poor health in general.
Would systemic racism leading to less capital in there hands have anything to do with that?
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