Current Events > So the autopsy found Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest

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And he had fentanyl and methamphetamine and his system...is this going to make it harder to convict now?

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ChainedRedone posted...

And he had fentanyl and methamphetamine and his system...is this going to make it harder to convict now?

I don't think so as long as they can prove the knee on his neck contributed to his death.

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they said he had covid

This is convenient

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CADE FOSTER posted...

they said he had covid

He had it all the way back in April, so it's not really a factor.

https://www.startribune.com/george-floyd-autopsy-report-released-he-tested-positive-for-covid-19-in-april/571000102/

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its like they want the riots to get worse

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CADE FOSTER posted...

they said he had covid

Maybe the cops are the Coronavirus. In the protests, they seem immune since they arent wearing a mask and seem stronger than ever.

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eggshell rule is a thing
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The court doesn't care that he had drugs in his system. The knee aided to the death, thats all that matters. The cop is being prosecuted for the knee, not the drugs.. He is going to jail.

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CADE FOSTER posted...

they said he had covid

So does this count as a covid death?

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SodomInsane posted...

So does this count as a covid death?

No

This dude is going to jail whether the courts want him to or not

If he doesn't, the riots will explode even worse

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Halo478 posted...

its like they want the riots to get worse

It's about get the facts and information of the case correct, not preventing riots or promoting agendas.

But I read (I think on Yahoo maybe?) that an independent examiner came to a completely different conclusion, that the death was by asphyxiation and not related to any substances, and was in direct disagreement with the official autopsy.

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zinezinzadan posted...

The court doesn't care that he had drugs in his system. The knee aided to the death, thats all that matters. The cop is being prosecuted for the knee, not the drugs.. He is going to jail.

Wouldn't it make things a little muddier? His defense could say it played a part in his death and I think a jury may believe that and he could get a lesser sentence.

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SodomInsane posted...

So does this count as a covid death?

It might.

He couldn't breathe and Coronavirus makes it hard to breathe.

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LeperMessiahXX posted...

Wouldn't it make things a little muddier? His defense could say it played a part in his death and I think a jury may believe that and he could get a lesser sentence.

You would think so, but after seeing many of these cases.. I'm telling you what the result will be.

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they'll probably try to use it to knock it down to a lower charge, like they would if they tazed someone with a pace maker and it failed. but i dont really see how that'll change the fact they had several cops on top of him for, was it 8 minutes?

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mrgoatthief posted...

Ah I guess it's that stage of the process where the character assassinations begin

Monolith1676 posted...

I don't think so as long as they can prove the knee on his neck contributed to his death.

This. People with health conditions get arrested all the time and don't die.

Edit: There's also the fact that these cops should have been charged even if he didn't die.

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ChainedRedone posted...

And he had fentanyl and methamphetamine and his system...is this going to make it harder to convict now?

And the idiot cop who had his knee pressed on Floyd's neck cut off Floyd's airway, setting his death in motion.

Even if there were drugs in his system, he was still murdered.

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Stuff like this shows how racist this country is. How does that matter when you have a clear murder on camera?

HOW ABOUT YOU DRUG TEST DEREK CHAUVIN???

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Even if there were drugs in his system, he was still murdered.

This. It's no different than beating the shit out of someone and sending them to the ICU. If they die 3 months later in the ICU because of their injuries, it's murder. That cop started the clock as soon as he put his knee on Floyd's neck.

I heard this but then I saw article where a medical examiner said the cause of death was definitely asphyxiation. Are there differing accounts on this?

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2Pacavelli posted...

Stuff like this shows how racist this country is. How does that matter when you have a clear murder on camera?

HOW ABOUT YOU DRUG TEST DEREK CHAUVIN???

It's what the autopsy results showed and nothing more, it wasn't a deliberate "drug test" for the sake of being a drug test.

Again I did read somewhere that an independent examiner did an additional autopsy and concluded that the cause of death was asphyxiation, in direct disagreement with the official autopsy. Wish I could find that story again.

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indica posted...

I heard this but then I saw article where the cause of death was asphyxiation. Are there differing accounts on this?

Another autopsy was done by an independent examiner who found the cause of death to be asphyxiation, in direct disagreement with the original autopsy.

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2Pacavelli posted...

Stuff like this shows how racist this country is. How does that matter when you have a clear murder on camera?

HOW ABOUT YOU DRUG TEST DEREK CHAUVIN???

I'm pretty sure this is just standard procedure when it comes to an autopsy. They didn't test him to get dirt on him, I think it's just something they do with every body.

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indica posted...

I heard this but then I saw article where a medical examiner said the cause of death was definitely asphyxiation. Are there differing accounts on this?

his family had a second autopsy performed by someone else iirc

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Phantom36 posted...

Another autopsy was done by an independent examiner who found the cause of death to be asphyxiation, in direct disagreement with the original autopsy.

Oh, well this going to get more fucked

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Phantom36 posted...

Again I did read somewhere that an independent examiner did an additional autopsy and concluded that the cause of death was asphyxiation, in direct disagreement with the official autopsy. Wish I could find that story again.

I found this, it might not be the exact thing you read:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html

The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.

But the medical examiner's office, in its report also released Monday, said that the cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Cardiopulmonary arrest means Floyd's heart failed.

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mrgoatthief posted...

Ah I guess it's that stage of the process where the character assassinations begin

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GATTJT posted...

I found this, it might not be the exact thing you read:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html

The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.

But the medical examiner's office, in its report also released Monday, said that the cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Cardiopulmonary arrest means Floyd's heart failed.

So what is it then? Fuck why are autopsies so difficult to understand. Does anyone have the actual autopsy so they can be read by the public?

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Weezy_Tha_Don posted...

his family had a second autopsy performed by someone else iirc

Yes, there's been multiple autopsies. An independent autopsy ruled his death a homicide, but I don't think that one holds up in court.

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GATTJT posted...

I found this, it might not be the exact thing you read:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html

The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.

But the medical examiner's office, in its report also released Monday, said that the cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Cardiopulmonary arrest means Floyd's heart failed.

major point here is that for the second autopsy many organs were missing, i've not seen it detailed witch but since they're talking about cardiopulmonary issues i'd guess at least the heart and possibly the lungs/kidneys.

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TheAnthraxBunny posted...

Yes, there's been multiple autopsies. An independent autopsy ruled his death a homicide, but I don't think that one holds up in court.

It's going to certainly be a part of evidence. "Holds up" That's up to the jury

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ChainedRedone posted...

It's going to certainly be a part of evidence. "Holds up" That's up to the jury

Independent "anything" do not have much merit in court.... Only accredited entities do. The entities have already ruled drug use to be aided by physical force (knee). So as long as it's kept to a believable standard (3rd degree), the cop is going to jail, there is no way in hell around it. Don't fret dude. You're thinking too much.

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zinezinzadan posted...

Independent "anything" do not have much merit in court.... Only accredited entities do. The entities have already ruled drug use to be aided by physical force (knee). So as long as it's kept to a believable standard (3rd degree), the cop is going to jail, there is no way in hell around it. Don't fret dude. You're thinking too much.

Can an independent entity also be accredited?

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Asphyxia causes cardiopulmonary arrest

What the hell do you think "pulmonary arrest" is?

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2Pacavelli posted...

Stuff like this shows how racist this country is. How does that matter when you have a clear murder on camera?

HOW ABOUT YOU DRUG TEST DEREK CHAUVIN???

If drugs were allegedly found in his system during an autopsy how would it be racist? Take a peek from outside of your bubble, people of all races do drugs.
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How many fucking autopsies can be performed on one person?

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Honestly I fully expect laws and technicalities to water down the legal charges.

Never changes the inhuman gesture recorded for everyone to see.

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LeperMessiahXX posted...

Wouldn't it make things a little muddier? His defense could say it played a part in his death and I think a jury may believe that and he could get a lesser sentence.

Doesn't matter. Eggshell skull and all.

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Is the amount that he allegedly had in his system a lot?

DarkRoast posted...

Asphyxia causes cardiopulmonary arrest

What the hell do you think "pulmonary arrest" is?

Cardiopulmonary arrest doesn't necessarily have to be the result of asphyxiation. You do realize that, right? That's the concern.

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monkmith posted...

major point here is that for the second autopsy many organs were missing, i've not seen it detailed witch but since they're talking about cardiopulmonary issues i'd guess at least the heart and possibly the lungs/kidneys.

Lungs = pulmonary
Heart = cardio
Kidneys = renal

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I always thought it was fucked up that they release all this personal shit to everyone instead of just the family. It has no relevancy. Maybe if it was something of relevancy, I'd get it. This goes to every case with a victim.

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Its going to be a hard conviction

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

I always thought it was fucked up that they release all this personal shit to everyone instead of just the family. It has no relevancy. Maybe if it was something of relevancy, I'd get it. This goes to every case with a victim.

It's all public knowledge anyway once it goes into court record. The internet just made it easier to get. Before you'd have to write a letter requesting it and pay a small fee.

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Killmonger posted...

Is the amount that he allegedly had in his system a lot?

Given how awake he was prior, there's no way the fentanyl was a lot. Hard to comment on the amphetamines though.

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