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spudger 06/04/20 12:28:04 AM #51:	i think they can charge him with both murder 2 and 3 the jury decides what sticks my guess is they get him for both --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:940155771] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>i think they can charge him with both murder 2 and 3 the jury decides what sticks my guess is they get him for both</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Killmonger 06/04/20 12:29:18 AM #52:	Ooooooranges posted... Given how awake he was prior, there's no way the fentanyl was a lot. Hard to comment on the amphetamines though. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL That each the amount found in his system. I read this wasn't a lot and he'd even be able to pass a drug test. <cite>Killmonger posted [p:940155801] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Ooooooranges posted... </cite> <quote>Given how awake he was prior, there's no way the fentanyl was a lot. Hard to comment on the amphetamines though.</quote>Fentanyl 11 ng/mLNorfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mLMethamphetamine 19 ng/mLThat each the amount found in his system. I read this wasn't a lot and he'd even be able to pass a drug test. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 06/04/20 12:30:41 AM #53:	how much do we know about floyd's criminal history <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:940155860] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>how much do we know about floyd's criminal history </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orlando_Jordan 06/04/20 12:31:52 AM #54:	2Pacavelli posted... Stuff like this shows how racist this country is. How does that matter when you have a clear murder on camera? HOW ABOUT YOU DRUG TEST DEREK CHAUVIN??? Is this supposed to be some kind of "gotcha" moment? Derek Chauvin probably got drug tested on a regular basis as part of his job. George Floyd was murdered, and it was unjust. But it's just odd that you think "Drug test the cop!" is some kind of gotcha. --- "Then after 2 hours of listening to me talk about watches I reward them with sub par sex"-No_U_L7 <cite>Orlando_Jordan posted [p:940155901] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>2Pacavelli posted... </cite> <quote>Stuff like this shows how racist this country is. How does that matter when you have a clear murder on camera? HOW ABOUT YOU DRUG TEST DEREK CHAUVIN???</quote>Is this supposed to be some kind of "gotcha" moment? Derek Chauvin probably got drug tested on a regular basis as part of his job. George Floyd was murdered, and it was unjust. But it's just odd that you think "Drug test the cop!" is some kind of gotcha. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ooooooranges 06/04/20 12:32:34 AM #55:	Given the fact that he kept his knee on him for 2 minutes after he was told Floyd didn't have a pulse is more than enough to convict him for murder. --- http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/2011/10/10/pujols_85507.jpg <cite>Ooooooranges posted [p:940155926] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Given the fact that he kept his knee on him for 2 minutes after he was told Floyd didn't have a pulse is more than enough to convict him for murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 06/04/20 12:33:09 AM #56:	Kaiganeer posted... how much do we know about floyd's criminal history how much do we know about yours? --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:940155946] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Kaiganeer posted...</cite> <quote>how much do we know about floyd's criminal history </quote> how much do we know about yours?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 06/04/20 12:42:15 AM #57:	CableZL posted... Can an independent entity also be accredited? Doesn't even have to be accredited. You prove up an expert witness and exhibits provided the same way you do other evidence to get it admitted into the record. Autopsy reports are admissible, and easily so when the expert conducting the autopsy is the one who testifies at trial (otherwise you get hearsay concerns). Further, to get through the front door, expert witnesses only require proving of their qualifications and competency. Laying foundation for admitting an expert's opinion is generally: Establish competency of expert by way of credentials, CV, and other facts relevant to qualification. Witness has formed an opinion re: the subject matter that will assist the trier of fact (jury in this case) in reaching an ultimate decision. Witness states that opinion Witness must provide the base/s for that opinion, both in the pre-trial disclosures for experts and on direct or cross examination. This also includes going towards the reliability of the methodology, techniques, and application that underpin the expert's opinion. This also ties back into point 1 in establishing the witness's qualifications. There is no requirement in any state's rules of evidence that experts be "accredited" or that only "official" documents/reports are admissible. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:940156272] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite> <quote>Can an independent entity also be accredited?</quote>Doesn't even have to be accredited. You prove up an expert witness and exhibits provided the same way you do other evidence to get it admitted into the record. Autopsy reports are admissible, and easily so when the expert conducting the autopsy is the one who testifies at trial (otherwise you get hearsay concerns). Further, to get through the front door, expert witnesses only require proving of their qualifications and competency. Laying foundation for admitting an expert's opinion is generally: Establish competency of expert by way of credentials, CV, and other facts relevant to qualification.Witness has formed an opinion re: the subject matter that will assist the trier of fact (jury in this case) in reaching an ultimate decision.Witness states that opinionWitness must provide the base/s for that opinion, both in the pre-trial disclosures for experts and on direct or cross examination. This also includes going towards the reliability of the methodology, techniques, and application that underpin the expert's opinion. This also ties back into point 1 in establishing the witness's qualifications.There is no requirement in any state's rules of evidence that experts be "accredited" or that only "official" documents/reports are admissible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apolloooo 06/04/20 12:53:04 AM #58:	do pigs that go to jail get their ass beaten up like child molesters ? i hope so. i hope they shiv'd the pig. --- http://i.imgtc.com/iJyp6bF.png http://i.imgtc.com/ZBw36Qh.png Thanks for the peeps that made the pics <3 if i make typos it means i am on phone <cite>apolloooo posted [p:940156629] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>do pigs that go to jail get their ass beaten up like child molesters ? i hope so. i hope they shiv'd the pig. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/04/20 12:53:30 AM #59:	ThePieReborn posted... Doesn't even have to be accredited. You prove up an expert witness and exhibits provided the same way you do other evidence to get it admitted into the record. Autopsy reports are admissible, and easily so when the expert conducting the autopsy is the one who testifies at trial (otherwise you get hearsay concerns). Further, to get through the front door, expert witnesses only require proving of their qualifications and competency. Laying foundation for admitting an expert's opinion is generally: 1. Establish competency of expert by way of credentials, CV, and other facts relevant to qualification. 2. Witness has formed an opinion re: the subject matter that will assist the trier of fact (jury in this case) in reaching an ultimate decision. 3. Witness states that opinion 4. Witness must provide the base/s for that opinion, both in the pre-trial disclosures for experts and on direct or cross examination. This also includes going towards the reliability of the methodology, techniques, and application that underpin the expert's opinion. This also ties back into point 1 in establishing the witness's qualifications. There is no requirement in any state's rules of evidence that experts be "accredited" or that only "official" documents/reports are admissible. People really should watch My Cousin Vinny <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:940156644] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>ThePieReborn posted... </cite> <quote>Doesn't even have to be accredited. You prove up an expert witness and exhibits provided the same way you do other evidence to get it admitted into the record. Autopsy reports are admissible, and easily so when the expert conducting the autopsy is the one who testifies at trial (otherwise you get hearsay concerns). Further, to get through the front door, expert witnesses only require proving of their qualifications and competency. Laying foundation for admitting an expert's opinion is generally: 1. Establish competency of expert by way of credentials, CV, and other facts relevant to qualification. 2. Witness has formed an opinion re: the subject matter that will assist the trier of fact (jury in this case) in reaching an ultimate decision. 3. Witness states that opinion 4. Witness must provide the base/s for that opinion, both in the pre-trial disclosures for experts and on direct or cross examination. This also includes going towards the reliability of the methodology, techniques, and application that underpin the expert's opinion. This also ties back into point 1 in establishing the witness's qualifications. There is no requirement in any state's rules of evidence that experts be "accredited" or that only "official" documents/reports are admissible.</quote> People really should watch My Cousin Vinny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 06/04/20 12:55:48 AM #60:	spudger posted... how much do we know about yours? you don't, but it's also not relevant. floyd's prior record and potential drug abuse likely affected the cops' handling of the situation, even if they fucked up <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:940156712] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>spudger posted... </cite> <quote>how much do we know about yours?</quote>you don't, but it's also not relevant. floyd's prior record and potential drug abuse likely affected the cops' handling of the situation, even if they fucked up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 06/04/20 12:57:18 AM #61:	mrgoatthief posted... Ah I guess it's that stage of the process where the character assassinations begin Yep. He could have done some messed up shit in the past but that doesn't excuse what happened --- Common sense is the most uncommon thing in the world-some dude. <cite>Smackems posted [p:940156764] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>mrgoatthief posted... </cite> <quote>Ah I guess it's that stage of the process where the character assassinations begin</quote>Yep. He could have done some messed up shit in the past but that doesn't excuse what happened </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 06/04/20 12:57:45 AM #62:	Kaiganeer posted... you don't, but it's also not relevant. floyd's prior record and potential drug abuse likely affected the cops' handling of the situation, even if they fucked up None of that is relevant. Excessive force is excessive force regardless of what happened prior to him being put in cuffs. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:940156784] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Kaiganeer posted... </cite> <quote>you don't, but it's also not relevant. floyd's prior record and potential drug abuse likely affected the cops' handling of the situation, even if they fucked up</quote> None of that is relevant. Excessive force is excessive force regardless of what happened prior to him being put in cuffs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/04/20 12:59:57 AM #63:	Killmonger posted... 1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL 2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL 3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL 4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL That each the amount found in his system. I read this wasn't a lot and he'd even be able to pass a drug test. If we're talking about blood (obviously we are) then those levels aren't exactly low. Not that it changes anything. But it sets up the opportunity for the cop's defense. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:940156855] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Killmonger posted... </cite> <quote>1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL 2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL 3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL 4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL That each the amount found in his system. I read this wasn't a lot and he'd even be able to pass a drug test.</quote> If we're talking about blood (obviously we are) then those levels aren't exactly low. Not that it changes anything. But it sets up the opportunity for the cop's defense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 06/04/20 1:08:06 AM #64:	DarkRoast posted... Asphyxia causes cardiopulmonary arrest What the hell do you think "pulmonary arrest" is? People who are still defending the cop or victim blaming probably think some bullshit to the effect of "well it doesn't matter what type of arrest it was because he was resisting it so this wasn't murder" --- Who can @ Mention me? -Nobody- <cite>Machete posted [p:940157115] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Asphyxia causes cardiopulmonary arrest What the hell do you think "pulmonary arrest" is? </quote> People who are still defending the cop or victim blaming probably think some bullshit to the effect of "well it doesn't matter what type of arrest it was because he was resisting it so this wasn't murder"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 06/04/20 1:09:38 AM #65:	TheOtherMike posted... None of that is relevant. of course it is, especially so if floyd was at any point resisting arrest <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:940157165] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>None of that is relevant.</quote>of course it is, especially so if floyd was at any point resisting arrest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 06/04/20 1:10:40 AM #66:	Kaiganeer posted... of course it is, especially so if floyd was at any point resisting arrest No, it objectively isn't because TheOtherMike posted... Excessive force is excessive force regardless of what happened prior to him being put in cuffs. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:940157200] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Kaiganeer posted... </cite> <quote>of course it is, especially so if floyd was at any point resisting arrest</quote> No, it objectively isn't because TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>Excessive force is excessive force regardless of what happened prior to him being put in cuffs.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 06/04/20 1:11:13 AM #67:	ChainedRedone posted... Cardiopulmonary arrest doesn't necessarily have to be the result of asphyxiation. You do realize that, right? That's the concern. But it most likely was in this case. That's the point. <cite>Lyrica posted [p:940157217] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>ChainedRedone posted... </cite> <quote>Cardiopulmonary arrest doesn't necessarily have to be the result of asphyxiation. You do realize that, right? That's the concern.</quote>But it most likely was in this case. That's the point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 06/04/20 1:12:07 AM #68:	ChainedRedone posted... is this going to make it harder to convict now? Doesn't matter. He's going to get a plea deal. There is no fucking way that they'll find an impartial jury for this case the way it's been in the media. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:940157246] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>ChainedRedone posted... </cite> <quote>is this going to make it harder to convict now?</quote>Doesn't matter. He's going to get a plea deal. There is no fucking way that they'll find an impartial jury for this case the way it's been in the media. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/20 1:12:38 AM #69:	Kaiganeer posted... of course it is, especially so if floyd was at any point resisting arrest Someone who shall remain nameless smashed his fucking head into a cop car so hard the door wouldn't close anymore and he got nothing but a weekend in jail over it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940157269] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Kaiganeer posted... </cite> <quote>of course it is, especially so if floyd was at any point resisting arrest</quote>Someone who shall remain nameless smashed his fucking head into a cop car so hard the door wouldn't close anymore and he got nothing but a weekend in jail over it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pope_Francis_I 06/04/20 1:13:07 AM #70:	Well that should put this matter to rest <cite>Pope_Francis_I posted [p:940157285] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Well that should put this matter to rest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 06/04/20 1:13:55 AM #71:	Tyranthraxus posted... Someone who shall remain nameless smashed his fucking head into a cop car so hard the door wouldn't close anymore and he got nothing but a weekend in jail over it. What the fuck kind of drugs do you have to be on to lack the self preservation to do that? That can't have been healthy for the guy doing the smashing. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:940157309] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Someone who shall remain nameless smashed his fucking head into a cop car so hard the door wouldn't close anymore and he got nothing but a weekend in jail over it.</quote>What the fuck kind of drugs do you have to be on to lack the self preservation to do that? That can't have been healthy for the guy doing the smashing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/20 1:18:52 AM #72:	Crazyman93 posted... What the fuck kind of drugs do you have to be on to lack the self preservation to do that? That can't have been healthy for the guy doing the smashing. He was regularly getting high off sovereign citizenship. One time he injected four whole sovereignties. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940157455] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted... </cite> <quote>What the fuck kind of drugs do you have to be on to lack the self preservation to do that? That can't have been healthy for the guy doing the smashing.</quote> He was regularly getting high off sovereign citizenship. One time he injected four whole sovereignties. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 06/04/20 1:21:47 AM #73:	TheOtherMike posted... No, it objectively isn't because him being potentially violent and him having drugs in his system prior to the arrest doesn't magically disappear once the cuffs are on, they're still a factor because he might act unpredictably the end result was that floyd died due to the officer's mishandling of the situation, but suggesting that floyd's record, his drug abuse and the moments leading up to his arrest are irrelevant is dangerously dismissive of criminal activity and how much danger officers have to put themselves in on a daily basis <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:940157517] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>No, it objectively isn't because</quote>him being potentially violent and him having drugs in his system prior to the arrest doesn't magically disappear once the cuffs are on, they're still a factor because he might act unpredictably the end result was that floyd died due to the officer's mishandling of the situation, but suggesting that floyd's record, his drug abuse and the moments leading up to his arrest are irrelevant is dangerously dismissive of criminal activity and how much danger officers have to put themselves in on a daily basis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 06/04/20 1:40:04 AM #74:	cops shouldnt put the knees on some ones neck for 8 and a half mins regardless of what the are accused of they dont have the right to kill people that arent resisting and arent armed <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:940158013] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>cops shouldnt put the knees on some ones neck for 8 and a half mins regardless of what the are accused of they dont have the right to kill people that arent resisting and arent armed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perthboy 06/04/20 1:41:44 AM #75:	mrgoatthief posted... Ah I guess it's that stage of the process where the character assassinations begin You're late. They release Chauvin's past complaints a few days ago but people just won't let him turn a new leaf. --- "I likes to be oiled." Testikles <cite>Perthboy posted [p:940158053] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>mrgoatthief posted... </cite> <quote>Ah I guess it's that stage of the process where the character assassinations begin</quote>You're late. They release Chauvin's past complaints a few days ago but people just won't let him turn a new leaf. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 06/04/20 1:52:06 AM #76:	Kaiganeer posted... him being potentially violent and him having drugs in his system prior to the arrest doesn't magically disappear once the cuffs are on, they're still a factor because he might act unpredictably the end result was that floyd died due to the officer's mishandling of the situation, but suggesting that floyd's record, his drug abuse and the moments leading up to his arrest are irrelevant is dangerously dismissive of criminal activity and how much danger officers have to put themselves in on a daily basis Ok, keep being wrong. The officers could have literally watched Floyd commit murder and it wouldn't justify excessive force after he was in cuffs, let alone after he was unconscious. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:940158280] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Kaiganeer posted... </cite> <quote>him being potentially violent and him having drugs in his system prior to the arrest doesn't magically disappear once the cuffs are on, they're still a factor because he might act unpredictably the end result was that floyd died due to the officer's mishandling of the situation, but suggesting that floyd's record, his drug abuse and the moments leading up to his arrest are irrelevant is dangerously dismissive of criminal activity and how much danger officers have to put themselves in on a daily basis</quote> Ok, keep being wrong. The officers could have literally watched Floyd commit murder and it wouldn't justify excessive force after he was in cuffs, let alone after he was unconscious. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perthboy 06/04/20 1:53:24 AM #77:	Also security footage of him against the wall, he drops a white package, cops should have spotted it. --- "I likes to be oiled." Testikles <cite>Perthboy posted [p:940158310] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Also security footage of him against the wall, he drops a white package, cops should have spotted it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Odoylerules 06/04/20 1:54:29 AM #78:	TheOtherMike posted... Ok, keep being wrong. The officers could have literally watched Floyd commit murder and it wouldn't justify excessive force after he was in cuffs, let alone after he was unconscious. That dude is trolling The cops themselves already said it was excessive force <cite>Odoylerules posted [p:940158328] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted...</cite> <quote> Ok, keep being wrong. The officers could have literally watched Floyd commit murder and it wouldn't justify excessive force after he was in cuffs, let alone after he was unconscious. </quote> That dude is trolling The cops themselves already said it was excessive force</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/04/20 2:34:35 AM #79:	Perthboy posted... Also security footage of him against the wall, he drops a white package, cops should have spotted it. Like a delivery package? A parcel? Strange because he doesn't work for USPS or anything right? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:940159191] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>Also security footage of him against the wall, he drops a white package, cops should have spotted it.</quote> Like a delivery package? A parcel? Strange because he doesn't work for USPS or anything right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perthboy 06/05/20 10:44:29 PM #80:	ChainedRedone posted... Like a delivery package? A parcel? Strange because he doesn't work for USPS or anything right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2W7rDeeM60 No he drops his drugs and was still resisting in the police wagon but don't let something as trivial as truth and justice stand in the way of the narrative. --- "I likes to be oiled." Testikles <cite>Perthboy posted [p:940250778] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>ChainedRedone posted... </cite> <quote>Like a delivery package? A parcel? Strange because he doesn't work for USPS or anything right?</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2W7rDeeM60 No he drops his drugs and was still resisting in the police wagon but don't let something as trivial as truth and justice stand in the way of the narrative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 06/05/20 11:05:30 PM #81:	Perthboy posted... Also security footage of him against the wall, he drops a white package, cops should have spotted it. They were too busy preparing to murder him --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:940251592] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>Also security footage of him against the wall, he drops a white package, cops should have spotted it.</quote> They were too busy preparing to murder him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/06/20 12:02:31 AM #82:	Perthboy posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2W7rDeeM60 No he drops his drugs and was still resisting in the police wagon but don't let something as trivial as truth and justice stand in the way of the narrative. Oh man he drops drugs. What drug? Alcohol? Did he have airliner liquor shots in his pocket? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:940253631] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2W7rDeeM60 No he drops his drugs and was still resisting in the police wagon but don't let something as trivial as truth and justice stand in the way of the narrative.</quote> Oh man he drops drugs. What drug? Alcohol? Did he have airliner liquor shots in his pocket? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/06/20 12:18:10 AM #83:	Perthboy posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2W7rDeeM60 No he drops his drugs and was still resisting in the police wagon but don't let something as trivial as truth and justice stand in the way of the narrative. Two points - 1) Why does that video end with Infowars? 2) What justice is being overridden in the "narrative"? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:940254157] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2W7rDeeM60 No he drops his drugs and was still resisting in the police wagon but don't let something as trivial as truth and justice stand in the way of the narrative.</quote> Two points - 1) Why does that video end with Infowars? 2) What justice is being overridden in the "narrative"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Odoylerules 06/06/20 12:19:32 AM #84:	Ruvan22 posted... Two points - 1) Why does that video end with Infowars? 2) What justice is being overridden in the "narrative"? ? Block User Since: Dec 2002 Karma: 6232 Active Posts: 68 that dude is just another bought troll account <cite>Odoylerules posted [p:940254201] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote> Two points - 1) Why does that video end with Infowars? 2) What justice is being overridden in the "narrative"? </quote> ? Block User Since: Dec 2002 Karma: 6232 Active Posts: 68 that dude is just another bought troll account</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perthboy 06/06/20 1:24:23 AM #85:	Ruvan22 posted... Two points - 1) Why does that video end with Infowars? 2) What justice is being overridden in the "narrative"? 1) Here's a clip that doesn't end in infowars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE&t=170s 2) The narrative that George was completely innocent, he never resisted, that he was perfectly healthy, no reason to be arrested etc. The false information mainstream and social media were pushing overriding the facts that 3 officers did nothing wrong and as big of an asshole Chauvin was, he didn't execute anybody. --- "I likes to be oiled." Testikles <cite>Perthboy posted [p:940256152] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>Two points - 1) Why does that video end with Infowars? 2) What justice is being overridden in the "narrative"?</quote> 1) Here's a clip that doesn't end in infowars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE&t=170s 2) The narrative that George was completely innocent, he never resisted, that he was perfectly healthy, no reason to be arrested etc. The false information mainstream and social media were pushing overriding the facts that 3 officers did nothing wrong and as big of an asshole Chauvin was, he didn't execute anybody. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/06/20 2:10:53 AM #86:	Perthboy posted... 1) Here's a clip that doesn't end in infowars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE&t=170s 2) The narrative that George was completely innocent, he never resisted, that he was perfectly healthy, no reason to be arrested etc. The false information mainstream and social media were pushing overriding the facts that 3 officers did nothing wrong and as big of an asshole Chauvin was, he didn't execute anybody. 1) Thanks for that 2) Let me address a few different points- A) Who on the mainstream media said "there was no reason to be arrested"? I've seen a lot of people describe the possible incident/accusation of check forgery, but I haven't seen ALL mainstream media saying "there was no reason to be arrested" B) You mentioned "justice" being overridden in your earlier post by not discussing these facts - do you believe that we should also consider Chauvin's felonies (voter fraud)? C) How would you define what Chauvin did? (killed, accidentally suffocated, etc) D) Why is changing this narrative important to the larger conversation about police brutality/accountability? (what Floyd's death has led to) <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:940257381] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>1) Here's a clip that doesn't end in infowars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE&t=170s 2) The narrative that George was completely innocent, he never resisted, that he was perfectly healthy, no reason to be arrested etc. The false information mainstream and social media were pushing overriding the facts that 3 officers did nothing wrong and as big of an asshole Chauvin was, he didn't execute anybody.</quote> 1) Thanks for that 2) Let me address a few different points- A) Who on the mainstream media said "there was no reason to be arrested"? I've seen a lot of people describe the possible incident/accusation of check forgery, but I haven't seen ALL mainstream media saying "there was no reason to be arrested" B) You mentioned "justice" being overridden in your earlier post by not discussing these facts - do you believe that we should also consider Chauvin's felonies (voter fraud)? C) How would you define what Chauvin did? (killed, accidentally suffocated, etc) D) Why is changing this narrative important to the larger conversation about police brutality/accountability? (what Floyd's death has led to) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 06/06/20 5:03:13 AM #87:	Perthboy posted... 1) Here's a clip that doesn't end in infowars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE&t=170s 2) The narrative that George was completely innocent, he never resisted, that he was perfectly healthy, no reason to be arrested etc. The false information mainstream and social media were pushing overriding the facts that 3 officers did nothing wrong and as big of an asshole Chauvin was, he didn't execute anybody. Dude stfu honestly. I've never seen once someone say he was healthy and even if he was a drugie scumbag that resisted arrest...does he deserve to die? 4 'trained' police officers saw it fit to kill him because he stumbled around when they tried to arrest him? I don't know what point you are trying to get at but you are trying to move attention from the fact a man was murdered for no reason. And that makes you a terrible person. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:940260219] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>1) Here's a clip that doesn't end in infowars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd5GlrgvsE&t=170s 2) The narrative that George was completely innocent, he never resisted, that he was perfectly healthy, no reason to be arrested etc. The false information mainstream and social media were pushing overriding the facts that 3 officers did nothing wrong and as big of an asshole Chauvin was, he didn't execute anybody.</quote> Dude stfu honestly. I've never seen once someone say he was healthy and even if he was a drugie scumbag that resisted arrest...does he deserve to die? 4 'trained' police officers saw it fit to kill him because he stumbled around when they tried to arrest him? I don't know what point you are trying to get at but you are trying to move attention from the fact a man was murdered for no reason. And that makes you a terrible person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Returning_CEmen 06/06/20 5:07:03 AM #88:	What if the cops put the drugs in him <cite>Returning_CEmen posted [p:940260281] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>What if the cops put the drugs in him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perthboy 06/06/20 5:07:10 AM #89:	Ruvan22 posted... 1) Thanks for that 2) Let me address a few different points- A) Who on the mainstream media said "there was no reason to be arrested"? I've seen a lot of people describe the possible incident/accusation of check forgery, but I haven't seen ALL mainstream media saying "there was no reason to be arrested" B) You mentioned "justice" being overridden in your earlier post by not discussing these facts - do you believe that we should also consider Chauvin's felonies (voter fraud)? C) How would you define what Chauvin did? (killed, accidentally suffocated, etc) D) Why is changing this narrative important to the larger conversation about police brutality/accountability? (what Floyd's death has led to) A) They killed an innocent man was the rhetoric flamed the rioting. B) Facts are George fit the description of the reported crime, he was intoxicated, he dumped his drugs, he had covid 19, he was resisting arrest. Three of the officers did nothing wrong subduing him and are being tried in the court of public opinion. Why would voter fraud have any relevance to violent tendencies. C) His actions led to death but it was not his intent to kill and he had no way of knowing George had underlying health issues. Certainly not a murder. D) Pretending it only happens to african americans is counter productive and only reinforces the victim mentality. Police brutality does not discriminate. --- "I likes to be oiled." Testikles <cite>Perthboy posted [p:940260282] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>1) Thanks for that 2) Let me address a few different points- A) Who on the mainstream media said "there was no reason to be arrested"? I've seen a lot of people describe the possible incident/accusation of check forgery, but I haven't seen ALL mainstream media saying "there was no reason to be arrested" B) You mentioned "justice" being overridden in your earlier post by not discussing these facts - do you believe that we should also consider Chauvin's felonies (voter fraud)? C) How would you define what Chauvin did? (killed, accidentally suffocated, etc) D) Why is changing this narrative important to the larger conversation about police brutality/accountability? (what Floyd's death has led to)</quote> A) They killed an innocent man was the rhetoric flamed the rioting. B) Facts are George fit the description of the reported crime, he was intoxicated, he dumped his drugs, he had covid 19, he was resisting arrest. Three of the officers did nothing wrong subduing him and are being tried in the court of public opinion. Why would voter fraud have any relevance to violent tendencies. C) His actions led to death but it was not his intent to kill and he had no way of knowing George had underlying health issues. Certainly not a murder. D) Pretending it only happens to african americans is counter productive and only reinforces the victim mentality. Police brutality does not discriminate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 06/06/20 5:10:30 AM #90:	Perthboy posted... They killed an innocent man was the rhetoric flamed the rioting. This is a lie. Perthboy posted... Three of the officers did nothing wrong Standing by while their partner murdered a man makes them accessories. Perthboy posted... Certainly not a murder. Cutting someone's airway off for nearly nine minutes is indisputably murder. Perthboy posted... Pretending it only happens to african americans Literally no one has ever said this. Shut the fuck up. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:940260340] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>They killed an innocent man was the rhetoric flamed the rioting.</quote> This is a lie. Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>Three of the officers did nothing wrong</quote> Standing by while their partner murdered a man makes them accessories. Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>Certainly not a murder.</quote> Cutting someone's airway off for nearly nine minutes is indisputably murder. Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>Pretending it only happens to african americans</quote> Literally no one has ever said this. Shut the fuck up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 06/06/20 5:16:24 AM #91:	Perthboy posted... Three of the officers did nothing wrong subduing him and are being tried in the court of public opinion. Why would voter fraud have any relevance to violent tendencies. They did plenty wrong. There stood there and watched doing nothing while Chauvin murdered a dude. That makes them complicit. C) His actions led to death but it was not his intent to kill and he had no way of knowing George had underlying health issues. Certainly not a murder. Disagree. Health issues are irrelevant, he knelt on a guys head for 8+ minutes while the guy croaked "I can't breathe" with increasing difficultly over and over and over and over until he went limp and silent. Meanwhile onlookers shouted "He can't breathe! You're killing him! Stop it" over and over and over. Chauvin just stared at them and kept crushing George under his knee. That's intentional, that's 100% knowing what you are doing and that is murder. D) Pretending it only happens to african americans is counter productive and only reinforces the victim mentality. Police brutality does not discriminate. This is a strawman No one is "pretending it only happens to black people" the point is that it happens to black and hispanic people (men especially) more than anyone else. The entire justice system is built on systemic racism. And the police don't face accountability for their actions. George Floyd wasnt the start of this, it's been going on for over a century. Police brutality does discriminate --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:940260411] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted...</cite> <quote> Three of the officers did nothing wrong subduing him and are being tried in the court of public opinion. Why would voter fraud have any relevance to violent tendencies.</quote> They did plenty wrong. There stood there and watched doing nothing while Chauvin murdered a dude. That makes them complicit. <quote>C) His actions led to death but it was not his intent to kill and he had no way of knowing George had underlying health issues. Certainly not a murder.</quote> Disagree. Health issues are irrelevant, he knelt on a guys head for 8+ minutes while the guy croaked "I can't breathe" with increasing difficultly over and over and over and over until he went limp and silent. Meanwhile onlookers shouted "He can't breathe! You're killing him! Stop it" over and over and over. Chauvin just stared at them and kept crushing George under his knee. That's intentional, that's 100% knowing what you are doing and that is murder. <quote>D) Pretending it only happens to african americans is counter productive and only reinforces the victim mentality. Police brutality does not discriminate. </quote> This is a strawman No one is "pretending it only happens to black people" the point is that it happens to black and hispanic people (men especially) more than anyone else. The entire justice system is built on systemic racism. And the police don't face accountability for their actions. George Floyd wasnt the start of this, it's been going on for over a century. Police brutality does discriminate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/06/20 12:51:44 PM #92:	Perthboy posted... A) They killed an innocent man was the rhetoric flamed the rioting. B) Facts are George fit the description of the reported crime, he was intoxicated, he dumped his drugs, he had covid 19, he was resisting arrest. Three of the officers did nothing wrong subduing him and are being tried in the court of public opinion. Why would voter fraud have any relevance to violent tendencies. C) His actions led to death but it was not his intent to kill and he had no way of knowing George had underlying health issues. Certainly not a murder. D) Pretending it only happens to african americans is counter productive and only reinforces the victim mentality. Police brutality does not discriminate. A few others have already addressed these points, but I'll add A) "They killed an innocent man" is one of many statements - do you have a way to prove it's the ONLY thing that flamed the riot? (I'm repeating my question since you didn't answer it) B) The first report said there were substances in his system - I don't recall anything about being COVID positive OR being intoxicated. Do you have a source for these two claims? Voter fraud shows a tendency to believe yourself above the law - and thus able to disregard proper protocol (he was using an unapproved choke hold). Do you still believe Chauvin's character should not play into "justice"? C) Has already been addressed by other users D) Who has said it "happens only to African Americans"? And you truly believe "Police brutality does not discriminate"? Do you have a source for this, because I'd be happy to provide sources to the opposite (that race plays a factor in how aggressive police tend to be) <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:940270803] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Perthboy posted... </cite> <quote>A) They killed an innocent man was the rhetoric flamed the rioting. B) Facts are George fit the description of the reported crime, he was intoxicated, he dumped his drugs, he had covid 19, he was resisting arrest. Three of the officers did nothing wrong subduing him and are being tried in the court of public opinion. Why would voter fraud have any relevance to violent tendencies. C) His actions led to death but it was not his intent to kill and he had no way of knowing George had underlying health issues. Certainly not a murder. D) Pretending it only happens to african americans is counter productive and only reinforces the victim mentality. Police brutality does not discriminate.</quote>A few others have already addressed these points, but I'll add A) "They killed an innocent man" is one of many statements - do you have a way to prove it's the ONLY thing that flamed the riot? (I'm repeating my question since you didn't answer it) B) The first report said there were substances in his system - I don't recall anything about being COVID positive OR being intoxicated. Do you have a source for these two claims? Voter fraud shows a tendency to believe yourself above the law - and thus able to disregard proper protocol (he was using an unapproved choke hold). Do you still believe Chauvin's character should not play into "justice"? C) Has already been addressed by other users D) Who has said it "happens only to African Americans"? And you truly believe "Police brutality does not discriminate"? Do you have a source for this, because I'd be happy to provide sources to the opposite (that race plays a factor in how aggressive police tend to be) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perthboy 06/06/20 11:32:29 PM #93:	Ruvan22 posted... A few others have already addressed these points, but I'll add A) "They killed an innocent man" is one of many statements - do you have a way to prove it's the ONLY thing that flamed the riot? (I'm repeating my question since you didn't answer it) B) The first report said there were substances in his system - I don't recall anything about being COVID positive OR being intoxicated. Do you have a source for these two claims? Voter fraud shows a tendency to believe yourself above the law - and thus able to disregard proper protocol (he was using an unapproved choke hold). Do you still believe Chauvin's character should not play into "justice"? C) Has already been addressed by other users D) Who has said it "happens only to African Americans"? And you truly believe "Police brutality does not discriminate"? Do you have a source for this, because I'd be happy to provide sources to the opposite (that race plays a factor in how aggressive police tend to be) I know you're trolling me. If you can pull out stats you can look up Georges autopsy report yourself. But I'll do one more for you. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime Get informed not enraged. African American are not being targeted, they commit more crimes thus encounter police more often. --- "I likes to be oiled." Testikles <cite>Perthboy posted [p:940295647] in So the aut... [t:78743954]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>A few others have already addressed these points, but I'll add A) "They killed an innocent man" is one of many statements - do you have a way to prove it's the ONLY thing that flamed the riot? (I'm repeating my question since you didn't answer it) B) The first report said there were substances in his system - I don't recall anything about being COVID positive OR being intoxicated. Do you have a source for these two claims? Voter fraud shows a tendency to believe yourself above the law - and thus able to disregard proper protocol (he was using an unapproved choke hold). Do you still believe Chauvin's character should not play into "justice"? C) Has already been addressed by other users D) Who has said it "happens only to African Americans"? And you truly believe "Police brutality does not discriminate"? Do you have a source for this, because I'd be happy to provide sources to the opposite (that race plays a factor in how aggressive police tend to be)</quote> I know you're trolling me. If you can pull out stats you can look up Georges autopsy report yourself. But I'll do one more for you. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime Get informed not enraged. African American are not being targeted, they commit more crimes thus encounter police more often. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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