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The_Freecs
05/31/20 5:07:17 AM
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They are so emo compared to the o.g mega man cast.
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Gobstoppers12
05/31/20 5:10:54 AM
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X is literally the darker and edgier version of Mega Man, and Zero is the darker and edgier version of Protoman (who may or may not have canonically murdered the original Mega Man cast)

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The_Freecs
05/31/20 5:13:57 AM
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Inafune in an interview already said that wasnt the case though. (To your spoiler)
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Number090684
05/31/20 5:16:20 AM
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X no, Zero yeah, definitely.

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Gobstoppers12
05/31/20 5:18:52 AM
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The_Freecs posted...
Inafune in an interview already said that wasnt the case though. (To your spoiler)
He may or may not have. Until the fate of the original cast is officially confirmed, it remains valid speculation. The original creator isn't the only one who has a say in it anymore.

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darkbuster
05/31/20 5:18:55 AM
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Pretty much. Not to mention that 'X' & 'Z' are popular for denoting something as being edgy. The Zero series essentially takes it even darker & edgier than the X series, & it's easily the best chapter of the classic timeline. ZX kinda brings down a bit from there, but that secret ending in Advent suggests things would have gotten edgier if it continued.

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FF_Redux
05/31/20 5:24:53 AM
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AlisLandale
05/31/20 5:26:20 AM
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X is actually less edgy than Mega Man.

Mega Man will fuck you up.
X is a pacifist who was once a secret unlockable character in his own game.

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darkbuster
05/31/20 5:27:27 AM
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FF_Redux posted...
Lol X was a wuss in X7

He's the edgier version of Rock. It's just that isn't a very high bar, relatively speaking.

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Gobstoppers12
05/31/20 5:27:35 AM
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FF_Redux posted...
Lol X was a wuss in X7
Ever since X5 or so, X has been a full-on peace-loving hippie. He wasn't like that in X-X3. There were little bits about him wishing the fighting might stop, but he was mostly just a straight out Maverick hunter who wanted to be as powerful as Zero. At some point, #CharacterDevelopment made him suck. Thus, Zero will forever be the best character from the X series.

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cjsdowg
05/31/20 5:32:35 AM
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The Z games fro the GBA still the best in the Mega man line of games.

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Scotty_Rogers
05/31/20 5:48:48 AM
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Why would Protoman kill the og cast @Gobstoppers12

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BombermanGold
05/31/20 5:49:17 AM
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X is a pacifist and hates fighting, but does what he must.
Zero... he's been put through the ringer back and forth like crazy, so he's got a right to be as edgy as he is.

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The_Freecs
05/31/20 5:50:44 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
Why would Protoman kill the og cast @Gobstoppers12

zero not Protoman. It was the purpose he was built for.
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The_Freecs
05/31/20 5:51:20 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
The Z games fro the GBA still the best in the Mega man line of games.

havent played them yet. Still at x4, will get to the zero series after I finish the x series. Ive heard really good things about it.
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cjsdowg
05/31/20 5:58:33 AM
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From the first came I cared about the characters. I normally don't in Megaman games.

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The_Freecs
05/31/20 6:08:04 PM
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Bump
cjsdowg posted...
From the first came I cared about the characters. I normally don't in Megaman games.

weirdly enough I actually like the o.g cast. But they had no characterisation untill like mega man 7 lol.
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KlRBEH
05/31/20 6:09:43 PM
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How is X edgy lmao

Even Zero isn't really even edgy until like MMX5 and the MMZ series

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The_Freecs
05/31/20 6:11:14 PM
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KlRBEH posted...
How is X edgy lmao

Even Zero isn't really even edgy until like MMX5 and the MMZ series

I dont think x has smiled even once. Look at his expression in the character designs compared to o.g mega man.

hes got way more angular lines throughout.
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KlRBEH
05/31/20 7:09:15 PM
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The_Freecs posted...
I dont think x has smiled even once. Look at his expression in the character designs compared to o.g mega man.

hes got way more angular lines throughout.

https://i.imgur.com/AWm8Kzq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ydD0SdK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VckLaaP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QQsFOtp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8WeBDLR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XmdvIh3.jpg

So thats not really true but even if it was, from the very beginning the Mega Man X series was intentionally made to be more serious than the classic series, from the character designs, the stakes, and to the story. Which makes sense because if the X series different have different themes than the Classic series it would have kind of been pointless.

And if you follow the story of the MMX games they're generally kind of sad stories, especially when you get to MMX4 and especially the MMZ series. The Mega Man timeline in general is honestly pretty fucked up with humanity nearly going extinct multiple times. The ZX storyline is where it goes back to being kind of lighthearted but technically humanity damn near goes extinct again at some point when you consider that the Legends timeline takes place way further in the future.

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FortuneCookie
05/31/20 7:10:49 PM
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I never completed the sequels, but the ending to Mega Man X is a wet blanket. It's X reflecting on why he had to fight, why he lost his friend, and why he knows he must use his X-buster again.

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BlueBoy675
05/31/20 7:14:46 PM
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Zero isnt really an edgelord until the GBA games.

X is actually really whiny

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ZMythos
05/31/20 7:16:14 PM
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X and Zero are asexual biromantic partners.

They hella gay but also gonna get some Alia and Layer action in between.

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The_Freecs
05/31/20 7:24:27 PM
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KlRBEH posted...
https://i.imgur.com/AWm8Kzq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ydD0SdK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VckLaaP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QQsFOtp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8WeBDLR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XmdvIh3.jpg

So thats not really true but even if it was, from the very beginning the Mega Man X series was intentionally made to be more serious than the classic series, from the character designs, the stakes, and to the story. Which makes sense because if the X series different have different themes than the Classic series it would have kind of been pointless.

And if you follow the story of the MMX games they're generally kind of sad stories, especially when you get to MMX4 and especially the MMZ series. The Mega Man timeline in general is honestly pretty fucked up with humanity nearly going extinct multiple times. The ZX storyline is where it goes back to being kind of lighthearted but technically humanity damn near goes extinct again at some point when you consider that the Legends timeline takes place way further in the future.

I stand so corrected lol! I owe X an apology. Why did he always look serious in my memories lol.
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Lil_Bit83
05/31/20 7:37:45 PM
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No. The stories of the X and Zero series is grimmer, but I wouldn't call them dark and edgy themselves. Zero series gave us one hell of a villain. Wily is Wily. But Weil is a very effective and hateable villain.

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KlRBEH
05/31/20 8:02:30 PM
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The_Freecs posted...
I stand so corrected lol! I owe X an apology. Why did he always look serious in my memories lol.
To be fair there were a lot more pictures of him not smiling so I can understand why you felt that way

http://www.themmnetwork.com/gallery/x/main-characters

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Juhanor
05/31/20 9:00:31 PM
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tl;dr: X isn't edgy, but Zero is.

IMO X and Zero fit the roles of "Only Hope" and "Last Hope" characters. There's probably better definitions, but I see them like this.

"Only Hope" X is a force of nature that exceeds everyone else in combat ability, yet holds the moral high ground and is always on the side of right. Although this type of character outstrips the supporting cast and causes events to gravitate solely around him, his moral stance usually means a lack of characterization, or that the other characters seem more interesting than him. Think of say Goku and the Z-Fighters. Goku always wins, so the outcome of any battle becomes boring/is a given; meanwhile it'd be much more interesting if a character with texture, like Tien, Piccolo or Krillin fought and won instead.

That being said, when the Only Hope stands alone, when it's just them standing up for justice, standing up against an impossible force or innumerable odds to do the right thing for no gain or glory, is when they're at their finest. Thus, the Only Hope.

"Last Hope" Zero, on the other hand, has some similarities to the Only Hope but also some key differences. Obviously they have to be competent where combat is concerned, but they don't have to hold the moral high ground, or even win all the time. Usually this is the edgier character, with some kind of chip on their shoulder, whether it's emotional, physical or mental trauma.

However, unlike the Only Hope, the Last Hope is much more interesting in the company of others. They need to break against other people, or they end up looking foolish, wallowing in their own misery, pain or insanity. This can work well in parallel to the Only Hope, of course (X and Zero, Sonic and Shadow, Kiryu and Majima, Goku and Vegeta), but even better is when it's with characters that need help or protection--maybe because the Last Hope is the one that understands struggle. They might not be the first one you'd go to, but once they're in, they're gonna win no matter how much of a beating they get. Thus, the Last Hope.

Anyway that's just how I see em. I hope my meaning was clear enough, and that you enjoyed the read even if your opinion is different.
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cjsdowg
05/31/20 10:44:25 PM
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That was interesting Juhanor, are you a writer ?

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Verdekal
05/31/20 10:45:10 PM
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They were fighting a war for decades.

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ZeroX91
05/31/20 10:48:42 PM
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Edgier than Megaman less edgy than casshern sins.
https://youtu.be/ORsbHAk4Mx4

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ZeroX91
05/31/20 10:52:14 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
The Z games fro the GBA still the best in the Mega man line of games.

Zero> Legends>X>=BN>Original>Starforce

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Scotty_Rogers
05/31/20 11:40:23 PM
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totalnerdken posted...
IIRC, in X7, they, for whatever reason, just completely changed his character to wanting to murder everyone

Nah fam, X7 was the most pacifist X was. So much that it was called out by reviewers for being annoying af.

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The_Freecs
05/31/20 11:47:48 PM
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I havent played the zero series but I heard x is over his pacifism shit in zero 1.
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Strider102
05/31/20 11:48:20 PM
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The_Freecs posted...
I havent played the zero series but I heard x is over his pacifism shit in zero 1.

Well there's a good reason for that.

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MyTummyHurt
05/31/20 11:51:36 PM
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Yall got a timeline yall can link me to

Ive genuinely never paid any attention to megaman plot but yall have me interested now
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Scotty_Rogers
06/01/20 12:02:02 AM
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The_Freecs posted...
I havent played the zero series but I heard x is over his pacifism shit in zero 1.

Sure you're not confusing him with Copy X? The actual X isn't in most of Z1 and when he does appear at the end, he's all like "I'm tired of all this fighting, Zero you take over for me"

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The_Bitcoin
06/01/20 12:02:41 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
X is literally the darker and edgier version of Mega Man, and Zero is the darker and edgier version of Protoman (who may or may not have canonically murdered the original Mega Man cast)

this.

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The_Bitcoin
06/01/20 12:04:34 AM
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AlisLandale posted...
X is actually less edgy than Mega Man.

Mega Man will fuck you up.
X is a pacifist who was once a secret unlockable character in his own game.


huh?

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Scotty_Rogers
06/01/20 12:05:54 AM
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I wonder if we'll ever get X9. Hope it's not a forced 16 bit callback, like Megaman 9 and 10 were 8 bit. That shit was so whack; if it's gonna be sprite based, make it like X4 (GOAT Megaman game)

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Kisai
06/01/20 12:05:58 AM
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Something being more serious =/= edgy. Jesus. It's like you guys think the only two sides are Hasbro animated cartoon silliness and Linkin Park "crawling in my skin" tryhard attitude.

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Strider102
06/01/20 12:06:29 AM
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The_Bitcoin posted...
huh?

In Mega Man X7 youhave to unlock X by rescuing 40(?) Reploids.

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Scotty_Rogers
06/01/20 12:07:08 AM
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Kisai posted...
Something being more serious =/= edgy. Jesus. It's like you guys think the only two sides are Hasbro animated cartoon silliness and Linkin Park "crawling in my skin" tryhard attitude.

The Megaman X games are pretty try hard ish. Dystopian future, shitty anime esque plots and voice acting, butt rock music in the later games, etc

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KlRBEH
06/01/20 12:07:10 AM
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MyTummyHurt posted...
Yall got a timeline yall can link me to

Ive genuinely never paid any attention to megaman plot but yall have me interested now

https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Mega_Man_Timeline_(Classic)

Battle Network/Starforce take place in a separate universe if you're wondering where those are

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Strider102
06/01/20 12:08:06 AM
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https://youtu.be/9OVv-J-LXQU

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The_Bitcoin
06/01/20 12:08:49 AM
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Strider102 posted...
In Mega Man X7 youhave to unlock X by rescuing 40(?) Reploids.

gotcha
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The_Bitcoin
06/01/20 12:14:24 AM
#48:


the originals mega man series were meant to be cutesy.

mega man is boyish in an astroboy kind of way, his boss enemies are goofy (this dude is like a chubby tree, this guy looks like he has a lightbulb on his head, the main evil guy is an old man who throws hissy fits). I mean mega man even has a cute dog pal that serves as a spring.

mega man x was basically mega man for the kids who played the original games and now are older so the series must grow with them: X looks like mega man without the cuteness, no robo doggie pals, and his boss enemies look like humanoid eagles, stags, etc and the main boss always have me evil vibes in a he is the robots equivalent to certain world war 2 bad guy kind of way.

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The_Freecs
06/01/20 12:15:47 AM
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The_Bitcoin posted...
the originals mega man series were meant to be cutesy.

mega man is boyish in an astroboy kind of way, his boss enemies are goofy (this dude is like a chubby tree, this guy looks like he has a lightbulb on his head, the main evil guy is an old man who throws hissy fits). I mean mega man even has a cute dog pal that serves as a spring.

mega man x was basically mega man for the kids who played the original games and now are older so the series must grow with them: X looks like mega man without the cuteness, no robo doggie pals, and his boss enemies look like humanoid eagles, stags, etc and the main boss always have me evil vibes in a he is the robots equivalent to certain world war 2 bad guy kind of way.

I love x but it seems like its trying too hard lol, makes it seem more childish then the o.g.

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KlRBEH
06/01/20 12:16:25 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
He may or may not have. Until the fate of the original cast is officially confirmed, it remains valid speculation. The original creator isn't the only one who has a say in it anymore.

Dude that has been disproved so many times, just give it up lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYvNv61A504

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