Current Events > What is your personal take on the MN situation? (Cop, riots)

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I mean, riots are bad, period. These are not protests, these are riots. Target is not to blame for the cops crime. Neither is Walgreens. Neither are the mum & pap stores getting burned. So my first instinct is to feel this is bad.

but then I remember how much the guy was enjoying squeezing the life out that poor man with his knee, for a full 8 minutes, he was even shimming on his knee. After the murder he was seen prancing, walking all proud in a I am robocop LOL kind of way.

what does that have to do with anything? That he was SURE he would face no consequences. He was sure he was going to get a paid vacation and maybe even a stealth promotion at a PD a few miles away after this. Maybe he would make a quick buck from a go fund me and he would get to be bailed a hero at Fox News or the RNC, maybe he would even get to visit the White House!

now the guy is pretty scared inside his home, and as terrible and inexcusable as these riots are, they are generating inconvenience to the city and PD.

maybe, just maybe, if every bubba with a badge out there and his bosses know that Pandoras box will be opened every time they murder someone for funsies they will stop?

but again, this doesnt justify the riots and damage to others property or public property and its a crime in itself too.

so I am really torn on this one. I want to see what you think.

i think the cops should riot

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I'm 100% fine with them targeting police property. Everything else dilutes the point. Learn to direct your very justified anger. Peaceful protest is mocked and ignored, the rage is justified and violence is an eventual guarantee. Random, unrelated business isn't the way though. Granted, there are just outright opportunistic pricks that take the chance to cause as much universal chaos as possible or just come out to steal during the cover of chaos.

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Can't wait to see how the racists defend a murderer

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The cop is a murderer and should be in prison for the rest of his life

The rioters and looters are dumb af and need to be arrested too.

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Horrible cops did horrible thing.

So idiots destroy their own community as a form of protest.

And because of that, joe schmoe isn't going to pay attention or care that the horrible cops did the horrible thing.

A story as old as time.

The rioting is unfortunate but necessary.

Ving_Rhames posted...

I'm 100% fine with them targeting police property. Everything else dilutes the point. Learn to direct your very justified anger. Peaceful protest is mocked and ignored, the rage is justified and violence is an eventual guarantee. Random, unrelated business isn't the way though. Granted, there are just outright opportunistic pricks that take the chance to cause as much universal chaos as possible or just come out to steal during the cover of chaos.

SpacialEntropy posted...

The cop is a murderer and should be in prison for the rest of his life

The rioters and looters are dumb af and need to be arrested too.

this makes a lot of sense. Yeah I agree with these

It's a major reaction to a relatively small problem. Yes, there are horrible, murderous, racist cops. There is a problem with police corruption in some areas. The criminal cops should be brought to justice. The corruption should be fixed. But at the end of the day, these horrible incidents are a small percentage of all police interaction. The issue is the news media hyper-inflates these incidents to make them seem more prevalent, so reaction is worse.

Then just on the topic of riotting, it's doubtful more than a handful of people there actually give a fuck. It's just an excuse to rampage like morons for many of them.

They should target just the officers that did the crime and police property

Also I believe their are opportunists and supremacist groups within the riots intentionally working as agitators. Including burning buildings down etc

There needs to be more organization between protestors, but I won't criticize too much because they are rightfully upset with tyranny (The non agents and agitators). Protests in Hong Kong and the Arab Spring were supported for the same reasons and most Americans supported those. They didn't say they were burning down their own neighborhoods

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"Disobedience is a demand for change."

The public is insanely tired of cops murdering innocent/non-violent (black) people so the riots and demonstrations are the public's last resort for affecting change. It's a statement that the PDs rule of law is no longer respected or wanted and all it took was a proverbial knee on the neck of the public.

So to me its deserved. 3 other officers stood by or actively assisted while one of their own did the opposite of protect and serve, he murdered and dishonored his own populace. He could have, at any of the 10 minute he was on George Floyd's neck, stopped, but he didn't. So why should the public stop for the Police that clearly didn't stop when they should have.

The entire PD, top to bottom, needs to be investigated, and those in that officers squad and direct leadership need to go and permanently be blacklisted from all law enforcement career opportunities in the future. To send a message that the public will start holding the Police accountable not just for their individual actions but for those that stand by and excuse the abuses going on.

I'm kinda annoyed Trump isn't talking about it.

His country is on fire, Biden has made several statements.

Trump said "We'll look into it" once then ranted about democratic hoaxes and being fact checked for literally hours on end
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nemu posted...

It's a major reaction to a relatively small problem. Yes, there are horrible, murderous, racist cops. There is a problem with police corruption in some areas. The criminal cops should be brought to justice. The corruption should be fixed. But at the end of the day, these horrible incidents are a small percentage of all police interaction. The issue is the news media hyper-inflates these incidents to make them seem more prevalent, so reaction is worse.

Then just on the topic of riotting, it's doubtful more than a handful of people there actually give a fuck. It's just an excuse to rampage like morons for many of them.

wow. Yeah, murder by racist is a small problem

It happens a lot, btw

This is the inevitable result when you straight up ignore the plights and real issues pertaining to police and poor community relations. If you don't take a serious attempt to address issues that are directly impacting people's lives you are only setting yourself up for the eventual violence.

So fuck it, let it burn

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

This is the inevitable result when you straight up ignore the plights and real issues pertaining to police and poor community relations. If you don't take a serious attempt to address issues that are directly impacting people's lives you are only setting yourself up for the eventual violence.

So fuck it, let it burn

Good to know anarchy is allowed now. I've wanted to play for a very, very long time and I'm ever so tired of waiting

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Im glad the people are upset over this

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Complete shit show

Cop needlessly killed a man. People are understandably pissed. And assholes are exploiting the situation to loot free shit from target.

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nemu posted...

It's a major reaction to a relatively small problem.

Casual murder while smirking about it isn't a relatively small problem. This cop felt 100% comfortable doing that for a reason. That is very much indicative of a much bigger problem than you're making it out to be.

nemu posted...

The criminal cops should be brought to justice.

The should is one major problem that seems to rarely get properly resolved, yes.

nemu posted...

The corruption should be fixed

Yes, it should. All these years later it hasn't been.

That's the problem. That's why its a big deal. People are sick of the lack of accountability, and they're sick of having that itching feeling that cops could casually kill them and get away with it with minimal consequence.

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They should ideally be protesting at the police union headquarters which is not owned by the city or other private citizens but members of the police force themselves.

That said, these protests are better than doing nothing. Hopefully the city shits itself so bad that it recognizes it needs to make changes in its police department.

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Opportunists will loot and riot but that doesn't take away from the very real anger felt by the community and how by an large they want to see justice brought to the officers involved. Anyone getting more upset about Target getting looted or cars being hit than the actual murder of an innocent black man by the tools of the state has their priorities wrong.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Opportunists will loot and riot but that doesn't take away from the very real anger felt by the community and how by an large they want to see justice brought to the officers involved. Anyone getting more upset about Target getting looted or cars being hit than the actual murder of an innocent black man by the tools of the state has their priorities wrong.

Absolutely right.

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SpacialEntropy posted...

Good to know anarchy is allowed now. I've wanted to play for a very, very long time and I'm ever so tired of waiting

You seem like the type who would be part of a Boogaloo Facebook group

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Multiple people peacefully begged the police officer to get off of his neck so he could breathe. Everyone there knew that George Floyd was dying.

A riot is never a united front.

All the police officers had to do was take him to jail. They chose to kill him. This is the unfortunate result of people's desperate pleas being deliberately ignored.

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

You seem like the type who would be part of a Boogaloo Facebook group

Nah. Just want to play

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nemu posted...

It's a major reaction to a relatively small problem. Yes, there are horrible, murderous, racist cops. There is a problem with police corruption in some areas. The criminal cops should be brought to justice. The corruption should be fixed. But at the end of the day, these horrible incidents are a small percentage of all police interaction. The issue is the news media hyper-inflates these incidents to make them seem more prevalent, so reaction is worse.

Then just on the topic of riotting, it's doubtful more than a handful of people there actually give a fuck. It's just an excuse to rampage like morons for many of them.

Police brutality with the black community has been rampant for decades. The small minority of cases you see in the news is the small percentage that's actually recorded.

My family and every generation since the 60's has stories of this but no one believes or cares unless hard evidence like a recording exist which smartphones has helped gained alot of attention on the issue.

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The Great Muta 22 posted...

This is the inevitable result when you straight up ignore the plights and real issues pertaining to police and poor community relations. If you don't take a serious attempt to address issues that are directly impacting people's lives you are only setting yourself up for the eventual violence.

So fuck it, let it burn

What if some property that you own is next? Still justified? You are likely as innocent as most of the property owners.

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apocalyptic_4 posted...

Police brutality with the black community has been rampant for decades. The small minority of cases you see in the news is the small percentage that's actually recorded.

My family and every generation since the 60's has stories of this but no one believes or cares unless hard evidence like a recording exist which smartphones has helped gained alot of attention on the issue.

Centuries, really. People just like to ignore it and downplay it because it doesn't happen to them personally.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Complete shit show

Cop needlessly killed a man. People are understandably pissed. And assholes are exploiting the situation to loot free shit from target.

Target helps majorly fund the police force and were refusing to sell to protesters before the looting started

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The situation is pretty terrible, I don't think the rioting accomplishes much but it's expected. I hope there is no more needless death over this.

Cops need to be better.

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apocalyptic_4 posted...

Police brutality with the black community has been rampant for decades. The small minority of cases you see in the news is the small percentage that's actually recorded.

My family and every generation since the 60's has stories of this but no one believes or cares unless hard evidence like a recording exist which smartphones has helped gained alot of attention on the issue.

And even with video evidence many still won't believe

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Silver Bearings posted...

What if some property that you own is next? Still justified? You are likely as innocent as most of the property owners.

Just gives me further justification to protest and decry the shit head cops kicking the shit off by murdering an innocent man

M_Live posted...

Businesses are insured, a human life can't be recovered. If you want people to listen, and you want to change to happen, sometimes you have to be really fucking loud. Not saying I necessarily agree with riots, but I understand it.

Punishing the innocent to affect the guilty sounds like terrorism to me.

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People grew tired of knocking at the door and asking nicely only for things to get worse.
Eventually, theyre gonna kick that door open

This isnt nearly the first case of police brutality in Minneapolis. The police there have a pretty good history of it

https://twitter.com/CodyReese_/status/1265933297281929216

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Silver Bearings posted...

What if some property that you own is next? Still justified? You are likely as innocent as most of the property owners.

Not only would I have to own property for that to be the case, which due to rising housing costs is almost impossible, but my business is also insured and would be covered. And I still wouldn't care.

Silver Bearings posted...

Punishing the innocent to affect the guilty sounds like terrorism to me.

Sounds like you need to understand violence against the state isn't a black and white issue

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AbstraktProfSC2 posted...

People grew tired of knocking at the door and asking nicely only for things to get worse.
Eventually, theyre gonna kick that door open

This isnt nearly the first case of police brutality in Minneapolis. The police there have a pretty good history of it

https://twitter.com/CodyReese_/status/1265933297281929216

Very clear, very concise, very accurate

a player takes a knee for this stuff
they change the narrative.

you think theyd chill over the awareness yet the cops are still taking actions towards certain people.

people are dying by law enforcement
no justice, no peace. the protesting to spread awareness of civil and social unrest. they are united against the systemic oppression people face every day.

people that are looting and burning their community are using this tragedy for their own individual gain. they let their actions define the very thing theyre against. the violence and looting actions undermine the message of the protesting.

this is a cycle of protesting we have seen throughout the decades. these sparks will ignite one day into something for history. i think one day a MLK like march will be done for this because of this cycle of activity to actually unite everybody. eventually people will be tired of it and bring meaningful change.

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HBOSS posted...

people that are looting and burning their community are using this tragedy for their own individual gain.

You're missing the point of the riots.

Riots are the language of the unheard and unrepresented

No one ever gives the Boston Tea Party shit for "diluting the point" or "punishing the innocent" or whatever.

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The_Bitcoin posted...

wow. Yeah, murder by racist is a small problem

It happens a lot, btw

You realize you're talking about sub-0.001% of the entire population of the country, right? That's not to say we need to ignore injustices, but this shit is statistically going to happen no matter what we do. No criminal should go unpunished just because it's infrequent, but we also need to be realistic about what is happening. There is a problem with police accountability in a lot of cases, but there is not some insane murder spree. I'm quite confident the amount of insane racist cops roughly correlates to the amount of insane racists in general, with maybe cops having a slightly higher percentage due to such people seeking positions of power.

The person responsible is a murderer. Its plain for anyone to see. Theres no question about it. So, he should be put to death.

Frankly, Im surprised the riot hasnt targeted him.

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The cops involved in this are shitty and deserve prison time for murder and/or accessory.

Protesting is fine but rioters and looters are shitty people who also deserve jail time. Direct your protest at the police, not random businesses.

Anyone defending the riots in this case is also a shitty person. In this instance, the city leadership seem to be doing everything they can to get swift and transparent justice. This is probably the least justifiable riot in recent years.

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52 years later, we're still talking about the same thing.

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nemu posted...

You realize you're talking about sub-0.001% of the entire population of the country, right? That's not to say we need to ignore injustices, but this shit is statistically going to happen no matter what we do. No criminal should go unpunished just because it's infrequent, but we also need to be realistic about what is happening. There is a problem with police accountability in a lot of cases, but there is not some insane murder spree. I'm quite confident the amount of insane racist cops roughly correlates to the amount of insane racists in general, with maybe cops having a slightly higher percentage due to such people seeking positions of power.

There's more issues with racial discrimination by police forces than simply innocent people being killed. Your types love to cling to the "few bad apples, gonna happen anyway" narrative while ignoring the larger systematic issues at hand.

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nemu posted...

That's not to say we need to ignore injustices, but this s*** is statistically going to happen no matter what we do.

The entire point of the riots and demonstrations though is that when injustice does happen, there is no accountability. The injustice either gets ignored or cops will outright doctor evidence, plant drugs, etc with no consequence for their action.

They may get fired or let go but then the next podunk town down the road hires them and the racist (murdering) shithead goes on to continue to spread misery.

It will happen, but it needs to be known that when it does happen that retribution is swift, brutal, uncaring. If you disrespect or dishonor yourself with the act of murder, or setting up individuals through doctoring evidence, under the purview of a badge, you need to know that you will receive no quarter from the public.

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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nemu posted...

You realize you're talking about sub-0.001% of the entire population of the country, right? That's not to say we need to ignore injustices, but this s*** is statistically going to happen no matter what we do. No criminal should go unpunished just because it's infrequent, but we also need to be realistic about what is happening. There is a problem with police accountability in a lot of cases, but there is not some insane murder spree. I'm quite confident the amount of insane racist cops roughly correlates to the amount of insane racists in general, with maybe cops having a slightly higher percentage due to such people seeking positions of power.

Yeah, if we're only considering those who die. There are magnitudes more who deal with racism in daily life. Getting the police called on you for simply existing. Getting told you aren't welcome in the neighborhood you live in. Just a couple examples of things I've had to deal with multiple times in my life as a kid and as an adult.

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ssk9716757 posted...

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

And again, we had multiple people peacefully begging the officers to let George Floyd breathe because they recognized he was about to die. Those please were deliberately ignored.

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People complaining about looting a TARGET like its some privately-owned business or something. I dont necessarily agree with looting because I feel like it takes away from the reason theres a protest and everyone is only gonna focus on the looting rather than the mass protest. Which btw was a peaceful protest until the cops started tear gassing and shooting people with rubber bullets

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