Board 8 > So seriously, what the fuck Death Stranding (spoilers)

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XIII_rocks 05/25/20 2:40:07 PM #1:	I stopped playing it for a while because of FF7 and other stuff, but got back into it last week and just finished it The thing is though I thought I finished it fully 10 hours ago, and then the game just kept ending and ending and ending some more and then ending again This went way beyond even MGS4's ending, and that was at least semi-earned due to 4 games worth of investment in the characters and world and it had more stuff to wrap up. It basically burned me out on even the vaguest notion of Platinuming it, and that's despite 3/4 days ago building an extensive and highly satisfying zipline-to-road network that stopped perfectly at every delivery location (except 2) that would make completing the orders I need to complete trivial Honestly I built a zipline network from some waystation up a mountain to the uh...spiritualist? I think? And it connected with the previous network I had built that connected to mountain knot, the doctor, etc. So I sort of came at my network from the other side and closed the loop, and I audibly said "I fucking love this game", it was such a satisfying moment. Some of the detail in the gameplay was really amazing. Some of the ideas and the asynchronous online were amazing. In some ways it's risky/interesting/different and in some ways it's totally tedious garbage. I do like the way that in most 3D open world games, you become stronger and level up to more effectively beat enemies. There's a bit of that here, but mostly you're levelling up your ability to traverse, build stuff, help people, connect, whatever. That's good. Also, holy shit, princess beach. jesus christ. I will say this though - I'm playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider next which I'm sure will be like, aggressively fine, but I can basically guarantee I'll put a lot less thought into it than I've put into DS, a game I have no idea what to feel about. I think this is how people felt when they played MGS2 though? I loved all the shit MGS2 pulled in the final few hours, all the long cutscenes. I totally bought into all of that shit and still do. But a lot of complaints I saw, here included, said it was a good story with bad storytelling, which I just never felt, but maybe DS is guilty of that with its ending. Because I liked some of the stuff in the ending, it's not like I hated the plot or anything, it was just fucking dumped on you repeatedly, unceasingly, interminably. I posted this on the discord but I'm gonna say it here too: I know they're totally different games, but I did find myself thinking about Horizon Zero Dawn when playing it. How they're both post-apocalyptic and the stories both end up laying out the secrets of how the apocalypse happened while creating hope for the future - and how HZD just executes that idea so much better. Maybe an unfair comparison, but still Whatever, sorry, rambling thoughts. I'm frustrated in a way because I don't feel able to simply dismiss it as a bad game, because it isn't(?), but I also can't call it one of my favourites either. --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939689417] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>I stopped playing it for a while because of FF7 and other stuff, but got back into it last week and just finished it The thing is though I thought I finished it fully 10 hours ago, and then the game just kept ending and ending and ending some more and then ending again This went way beyond even MGS4's ending, and that was at least semi-earned due to 4 games worth of investment in the characters and world and it had more stuff to wrap up. It basically burned me out on even the vaguest notion of Platinuming it, and that's despite 3/4 days ago building an extensive and highly satisfying zipline-to-road network that stopped perfectly at every delivery location (except 2) that would make completing the orders I need to complete trivial Honestly I built a zipline network from some waystation up a mountain to the uh...spiritualist? I think? And it connected with the previous network I had built that connected to mountain knot, the doctor, etc. So I sort of came at my network from the other side and closed the loop, and I audibly said "I fucking love this game", it was such a satisfying moment. Some of the detail in the gameplay was really amazing. Some of the ideas and the asynchronous online were amazing. In some ways it's risky/interesting/different and in some ways it's totally tedious garbage. I do like the way that in most 3D open world games, you become stronger and level up to more effectively beat enemies. There's a bit of that here, but mostly you're levelling up your ability to traverse, build stuff, help people, connect, whatever. That's good. Also, holy shit, princess beach. jesus christ. I will say this though - I'm playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider next which I'm sure will be like, aggressively fine, but I can basically guarantee I'll put a lot less thought into it than I've put into DS, a game I have no idea what to feel about. I think this is how people felt when they played MGS2 though? I loved all the shit MGS2 pulled in the final few hours, all the long cutscenes. I totally bought into all of that shit and still do. But a lot of complaints I saw, here included, said it was a good story with bad storytelling, which I just never felt, but maybe DS is guilty of that with its ending. Because I liked some of the stuff in the ending, it's not like I hated the plot or anything, it was just fucking dumped on you repeatedly, unceasingly, interminably. I posted this on the discord but I'm gonna say it here too: I know they're totally different games, but I did find myself thinking about Horizon Zero Dawn when playing it. How they're both post-apocalyptic and the stories both end up laying out the secrets of how the apocalypse happened while creating hope for the future - and how HZD just executes that idea so much better. Maybe an unfair comparison, but still Whatever, sorry, rambling thoughts. I'm frustrated in a way because I don't feel able to simply dismiss it as a bad game, because it isn't(?), but I also can't call it one of my favourites either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/25/20 2:46:45 PM #2:	Oh also I feel like I should be better rewarded for completing the road. Like my reward for completing a road from south knot to lake knot should not be "oh cool now I can drive a truck down this road for 10 minutes with no obstacles or challenge or excitement, woo" I was actually thinking that if you have a road built, you should be able to auto-complete any standing order that stops along that road, if you choose to (so basically the cities/distro centers). Or like send auto-trucks. There's a mission that requires a truck that takes you from south knot to lake knot, I think, and I had the road fully built, and it's like a 10 minute drive. As reward for completing the road, maybe an auto-truck can simply complete that delivery for me? I know it's a little bit against the point of the game, but the game has more standard orders than you can shake a stick at and this wouldn't affect all of them --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939689681] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Oh also I feel like I should be better rewarded for completing the road. Like my reward for completing a road from south knot to lake knot should not be "oh cool now I can drive a truck down this road for 10 minutes with no obstacles or challenge or excitement, woo" I was actually thinking that if you have a road built, you should be able to auto-complete any standing order that stops along that road, if you choose to (so basically the cities/distro centers). Or like send auto-trucks. There's a mission that requires a truck that takes you from south knot to lake knot, I think, and I had the road fully built, and it's like a 10 minute drive. As reward for completing the road, maybe an auto-truck can simply complete that delivery for me? I know it's a little bit against the point of the game, but the game has more standard orders than you can shake a stick at and this wouldn't affect all of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 05/25/20 3:09:53 PM #3:	XIII_rocks posted... Whatever, sorry, rambling thoughts. I'm frustrated in a way because I don't feel able to simply dismiss it as a bad game, because it isn't(?), but I also can't call it one of my favourites either. Yeah I agree. It's a complicated game. I like it a lot, but there's a lot to criticize and it's both brilliant and so, so stupid in ways that are both bad and good. Sometimes simultaneously. Like, I'm very glad "Princess Beach" exists as a real line of dialogue. But holy shit. I think this is a common reaction, though. I remember the topic being full of takes like this. And Kotaku published two absolutely glowing reviews (one by Tim Rogers!) and then both reviewers turned around and did an hour-long podcast that was just both of them dumping on every single thing they hated about the game. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:939690610] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>XIII_rocks posted... </cite> <quote>Whatever, sorry, rambling thoughts. I'm frustrated in a way because I don't feel able to simply dismiss it as a bad game, because it isn't(?), but I also can't call it one of my favourites either.</quote> Yeah I agree. It's a complicated game. I like it a lot, but there's a lot to criticize and it's both brilliant and so, so stupid in ways that are both bad and good. Sometimes simultaneously. Like, I'm very glad "Princess Beach" exists as a real line of dialogue. But holy shit. I think this is a common reaction, though. I remember the topic being full of takes like this. And Kotaku published two absolutely glowing reviews (one by Tim Rogers!) and then both reviewers turned around and did an hour-long podcast that was just both of them dumping on every single thing they hated about the game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/25/20 3:25:41 PM #4:	Yeah I did some reading and what I said is a fairly normal take it turns out You'd think that the combination of "good" and "bad" would mean the game is "average" but that just does not seem like the right word. HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Like, I'm very glad "Princess Beach" exists as a real line of dialogue. But holy shit. OK so I read a take on this that basically says this comment, and the whole ridiculous running scene that followed it, was some sort of meta-commentary on games - which is also why the Higgs fight plays as such a classically video-gamey final boss - but I think this may be the point where I stop drinking the Kojima Kool-Aid and just write it off as terrible (terribly hilarious) dialogue. --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939691213] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I did some reading and what I said is a fairly normal take it turns out You'd think that the combination of "good" and "bad" would mean the game is "average" but that just does not seem like the right word. HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Like, I'm very glad "Princess Beach" exists as a real line of dialogue. But holy shit.</quote> OK so I read a take on this that basically says this comment, and the whole ridiculous running scene that followed it, was some sort of meta-commentary on games - which is also why the Higgs fight plays as such a classically video-gamey final boss - but I think this may be the point where I stop drinking the Kojima Kool-Aid and just write it off as terrible (terribly hilarious) dialogue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 05/25/20 3:37:34 PM #5:	The monologue on the beach at the end (not the Princess Beach stuff, the one that leads into credits) is probably the worst experience I have ever had with media, and makes the character giving it my #1 most hated character in fiction. It's so fucking awful. That half hour stretch was a nightmare, and did irreparable damage to my overall opinion of the game. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:939691682] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>The monologue on the beach at the end (not the Princess Beach stuff, the one that leads into credits) is probably the worst experience I have ever had with media, and makes the character giving it my #1 most hated character in fiction. It's so fucking awful. That half hour stretch was a nightmare, and did irreparable damage to my overall opinion of the game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiicon 05/25/20 4:10:31 PM #6:	anyone who has finished the game and is talking about princess beach and not samantha america strand's name meaning SOUL LIE is doing this game a disservice. SOUL. LIE. anyway i think i love the game because it's earnest and raw but it is also incredibly self-indulgent and lacks... any? good characters? it's a game where the moment-to-moment stuff is fascinating, and the scene direction is engaging, but the wider picture stuff fails to build to a satisfying conclusion. it crafts a compelling narrative in the broad sense, but it often buckles under its own weight. HeroDelTiempo17 posted... And Kotaku published two absolutely glowing reviews (one by Tim Rogers!) and then both reviewers turned around and did an hour-long podcast that was just both of them dumping on every single thing they hated about the game. so this is weird because what you are describing doesn't exist. kotaku did a podcast about death stranding but neither heather nor tim were on it. heather and tim did talk about the game on video but it was before they had ever finished the game. heather also talked about her feelings about the game after she finished it, but for waypoint and not kotaku. i guess it's pretty easy to get confused considering how many people covered it in a short time span, now that i think about it --- ICON: Kiwami means extreme. <cite>iiicon posted [p:939693092] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>anyone who has finished the game and is talking about princess beach and not samantha america strand's name meaning SOUL LIE is doing this game a disservice. SOUL. LIE. anyway i think i love the game because it's earnest and raw but it is also incredibly self-indulgent and lacks... any? good characters? it's a game where the moment-to-moment stuff is fascinating, and the scene direction is engaging, but the wider picture stuff fails to build to a satisfying conclusion. it crafts a compelling narrative in the broad sense, but it often buckles under its own weight. HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>And Kotaku published two absolutely glowing reviews (one by Tim Rogers!) and then both reviewers turned around and did an hour-long podcast that was just both of them dumping on every single thing they hated about the game.</quote>so this is weird because what you are describing doesn't exist. kotaku did a podcast about death stranding but neither heather nor tim were on it. heather and tim did talk about the game on video but it was before they had ever finished the game. heather also talked about her feelings about the game after she finished it, but for waypoint and not kotaku. i guess it's pretty easy to get confused considering how many people covered it in a short time span, now that i think about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 05/25/20 4:23:23 PM #7:	Ok guys, seriously. WTF is Princess Beach? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:939693633] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Ok guys, seriously. WTF is Princess Beach? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Paul 05/25/20 4:25:54 PM #9:	redrocket posted... Ok guys, seriously. WTF is Princess Beach? Tried to spoiler quote link a video but it didn't work --- Bear Bro <cite>Great_Paul posted [p:939693756] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>redrocket posted... </cite> <quote>Ok guys, seriously. WTF is Princess Beach?</quote> Tried to spoiler quote link a video but it didn't work </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 05/25/20 4:28:11 PM #10:	iiicon posted... so this is weird because what you are describing doesn't exist. kotaku did a podcast about death stranding but neither heather nor tim were on it. heather and tim did talk about the game on video but it was before they had ever finished the game. heather also talked about her feelings about the game after she finished it, but for waypoint and not kotaku. i guess it's pretty easy to get confused considering how many people covered it in a short time span, now that i think about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYlDQbHJ_ms is this not what I'm describing? they had both finished the game at this point --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:939693854] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>iiicon posted... </cite> <quote>so this is weird because what you are describing doesn't exist. kotaku did a podcast about death stranding but neither heather nor tim were on it. heather and tim did talk about the game on video but it was before they had ever finished the game. heather also talked about her feelings about the game after she finished it, but for waypoint and not kotaku. i guess it's pretty easy to get confused considering how many people covered it in a short time span, now that i think about it</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYlDQbHJ_ms is this not what I'm describing? they had both finished the game at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 05/25/20 4:30:40 PM #11:	A needed reminder that Kojima is a hack. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:939693959] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>A needed reminder that Kojima is a hack. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/25/20 4:33:04 PM #12:	iiicon posted... anyone who has finished the game and is talking about princess beach and not samantha america strand's name meaning SOUL LIE is doing this game a disservice. SOUL. LIE. Oh yeah That Good lord, this game redrocket posted... Ok guys, seriously. WTF is Princess Beach? If you google Princess Beach it should be the first result, at least it is for me Be warned though as you will cringe fully into a fetal position --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939694067] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>iiicon posted... </cite> <quote>anyone who has finished the game and is talking about princess beach and not samantha america strand's name meaning SOUL LIE is doing this game a disservice. SOUL. LIE.</quote> Oh yeah That Good lord, this game redrocket posted... </cite> <quote>Ok guys, seriously. WTF is Princess Beach?</quote> If you google Princess Beach it should be the first result, at least it is for me Be warned though as you will cringe fully into a fetal position </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/25/20 4:33:39 PM #13:	TheRock1525 posted... A needed reminder that Kojima is a hack. Yeah sorry clearly I should have just posted this, because he's either a hack or a genius and there is nothing in between --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939694097] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>A needed reminder that Kojima is a hack.</quote> Yeah sorry clearly I should have just posted this, because he's either a hack or a genius and there is nothing in between </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 05/25/20 4:42:19 PM #14:	Hackery is often confused for genius. Just ask George Lucas. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:939694465] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Hackery is often confused for genius. Just ask George Lucas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 05/25/20 5:01:43 PM #15:	Let's be real, if Kojima's hack levels were at 0% the MGS games would not be as good as they are --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:939695277] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Let's be real, if Kojima's hack levels were at 0% the MGS games would not be as good as they are </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiicon 05/25/20 5:22:51 PM #16:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... is this not what I'm describing? they had both finished the game at this point oh! i missed this --- ICON: Kiwami means extreme. <cite>iiicon posted [p:939696151] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>is this not what I'm describing? they had both finished the game at this point</quote>oh! i missed this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 05/25/20 5:31:37 PM #17:	Kojima is a hack writer and a genius game designer. Hes a gameplay guy, not a story guy. He hasnt had a good story since MGS3. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh Advokaiser <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:939696571] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Kojima is a hack writer and a genius game designer. Hes a gameplay guy, not a story guy. He hasnt had a good story since MGS3. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/26/20 10:23:58 AM #18:	coincidentally I just came back to the finish the game after leaving it alone for like three months because I got frustrated with Vietnam and was too stubborn to drop the difficulty from hard I was sure I must have beaten it but I just saw the title card Chapter 14 Lou so I guess Im still doing this. I legitimately said fuck you kojima to my monitor when she explained Soul Lie why the fuck was her name Samantha America Strand in the first place if she was just always going to be called Amelie? What a weird, pointless detail. (I love this game but I am a little mad at it right now) also its very funny to me to imagine the moment right before the presidential speech cutscene starts where this guy in a mask must have went on tv and said my fellow Americans, im your new President Die-hardman or something --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939726260] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>coincidentally I just came back to the finish the game after leaving it alone for like three months because I got frustrated with Vietnam and was too stubborn to drop the difficulty from hard I was sure I must have beaten it but I just saw the title card Chapter 14 Lou so I guess Im still doing this. I legitimately said fuck you kojima to my monitor when she explained Soul Lie why the fuck was her name Samantha America Strand in the first place if she was just always going to be called Amelie? What a weird, pointless detail. (I love this game but I am a little mad at it right now) also its very funny to me to imagine the moment right before the presidential speech cutscene starts where this guy in a mask must have went on tv and said my fellow Americans, im your new President Die-hardman or something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/26/20 10:42:00 AM #19:	Nah, he likely used his real name. John McClane. (Not making that up. That's his real full name.) --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939726950] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Nah, he likely used his real name. John McClane. (Not making that up. That's his real full name.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/26/20 10:42:58 AM #20:	Best 2020 simulator --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:939726988] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Best 2020 simulator </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 05/26/20 10:48:26 AM #21:	my 4th favorite game of 2019 --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:939727210] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>my 4th favorite game of 2019 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/26/20 10:51:21 AM #22:	XIII_rocks posted... Nah, he likely used his real name. John McClane. (Not making that up. That's his real full name.) I havent made it to that reveal yet, but I absolutely knew that was going to be his real name the moment Cliff called him John in a flashback. kojimaaaaaaaa --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939727327] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>Nah, he likely used his real name. John McClane. (Not making that up. That's his real full name.) </quote> I havent made it to that reveal yet, but I absolutely knew that was going to be his real name the moment Cliff called him John in a flashback. kojimaaaaaaaa</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 05/26/20 10:54:46 AM #23:	yeah I don't think you actually find that out until the post-game. There's a email or a tape or something you get with his background info --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:939727468] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>yeah I don't think you actually find that out until the post-game. There's a email or a tape or something you get with his background info </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/26/20 11:33:02 AM #24:	Oh yeah it's not a big deal or anything. I think I found it out on the DS wiki rather than in-game. --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939729090] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah it's not a big deal or anything. I think I found it out on the DS wiki rather than in-game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 05/26/20 1:26:16 PM #25:	I liked the ending but I admit I am a full-on kojima head and also someone who researches extinction/environmental stuff for a living <cite>colliding posted [p:939734219] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>I liked the ending but I admit I am a full-on kojima head and also someone who researches extinction/environmental stuff for a living </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiicon 05/26/20 1:40:58 PM #26:	colliding posted... I liked the ending but I admit I am a full-on kojima head and also someone who researches extinction/environmental stuff for a living how many umbilical cord fossils have you seen in your professional life --- ICON: Kiwami means extreme. <cite>iiicon posted [p:939734985] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>colliding posted... </cite> <quote>I liked the ending but I admit I am a full-on kojima head and also someone who researches extinction/environmental stuff for a living</quote>how many umbilical cord fossils have you seen in your professional life </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 05/26/20 1:41:34 PM #27:	iiicon posted... how many umbilical cord fossils have you seen in your professional life none but its fun to think about! <cite>colliding posted [p:939735024] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>iiicon posted... </cite> <quote>how many umbilical cord fossils have you seen in your professional life</quote> none but its fun to think about! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 05/26/20 1:41:39 PM #28:	https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080606104814.htm it's happened before! --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:939735026] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080606104814.htm it's happened before! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 05/26/20 1:43:24 PM #29:	Googled princess beach What the hell --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:939735113] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Googled princess beach What the hell </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 05/26/20 1:44:12 PM #30:	masterplum posted... Googled princess beach What the hell --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:939735155] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>Googled princess beach What the hell</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 05/26/20 1:45:08 PM #31:	the first video result includes a song during the running part that wasn't actually in the game, but it's a nice addition --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:939735209] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>the first video result includes a song during the running part that wasn't actually in the game, but it's a nice addition </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 05/26/20 1:46:48 PM #32:	ninkendo posted... the first video result includes a song during the running part that wasn't actually in the game, but it's a nice addition Okay that makes it a little better. --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:939735285] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>ninkendo posted... </cite> <quote>the first video result includes a song during the running part that wasn't actually in the game, but it's a nice addition</quote>Okay that makes it a little better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiicon 05/26/20 1:47:16 PM #33:	did anyone else love how the first credits song for death stranding has a line about "next-level trust issues" it's a brutal piece of honesty from kojima --- ICON: Kiwami means extreme. <cite>iiicon posted [p:939735304] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>did anyone else love how the first credits song for death stranding has a line about "next-level trust issues" it's a brutal piece of honesty from kojima </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TVontheRadio 05/26/20 3:45:27 PM #34:	that whole stretch where the game starts to end is the most i've been so thoroughly over a game being completely smitten with itself. icon is right that there isn't a single good character in all of death stranding, save maybe for heartman, but he was more amusing in his presentation and fascinating as an idea for a character than he is actually anyone with a story you can be invested in. the ending just double downed on trying to make you care for these characters, as if the big scenes were supposed to be these satisfying pay-offs. but i didn't give two shits about any of them, and they all just kept talking and speechifying with their terriblly written dialogue spouting the most inane nonsense that the game thinks is ~so profound~ for hours and hours. just so much of it sucks which is a goddamn shame because yo actually playing that game is great! haven't played anything like it, and the design is just executed so well. Lightning Strikes posted... Kojima is a hack writer and a genius game designer. Hes a gameplay guy, not a story guy. He hasnt had a good story since MGS3. basically this --- all you need <cite>TVontheRadio posted [p:939740908] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>that whole stretch where the game starts to end is the most i've been so thoroughly over a game being completely smitten with itself. icon is right that there isn't a single good character in all of death stranding, save maybe for heartman, but he was more amusing in his presentation and fascinating as an idea for a character than he is actually anyone with a story you can be invested in. the ending just double downed on trying to make you care for these characters, as if the big scenes were supposed to be these satisfying pay-offs. but i didn't give two shits about any of them, and they all just kept talking and speechifying with their terriblly written dialogue spouting the most inane nonsense that the game thinks is ~so profound~ for hours and hours. just so much of it sucks which is a goddamn shame because yo actually playing that game is great! haven't played anything like it, and the design is just executed so well. Lightning Strikes posted... </cite> <quote>Kojima is a hack writer and a genius game designer. Hes a gameplay guy, not a story guy. He hasnt had a good story since MGS3.</quote> basically this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skullbone 05/26/20 3:47:08 PM #35:	Dissenting opinion: the gameplay is bad too --- skull <cite>skullbone posted [p:939740975] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Dissenting opinion: the gameplay is bad too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/26/20 3:53:32 PM #36:	I think saying Kojima "isn't a story guy" is oversimplifying things --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939741289] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>I think saying Kojima "isn't a story guy" is oversimplifying things </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Great_Paul 05/26/20 3:55:16 PM #37:	Why are people hating on the characters? I really liked the entire cast, except Amelie. --- Bear Bro <cite>Great_Paul posted [p:939741368] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Why are people hating on the characters? I really liked the entire cast, except Amelie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 05/26/20 4:13:26 PM #38:	I enjoyed this game as well as its cast. Its very good!! Just not for everyone, and thats ok --- https://imgur.com/G17qCv1 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:939742246] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>I enjoyed this game as well as its cast. Its very good!! Just not for everyone, and thats ok </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiicon 05/26/20 9:35:42 PM #39:	Great_Paul posted... Why are people hating on the characters? I really liked the entire cast, except Amelie. i don't hate them. i think some of them are charismatic, as the performers all did a great job. but they're all a mess of incoherent or obscured motivations and kojimaisms, and they don't have the decades of good will built up like the cast of metal gear solid. --- ICON: Kiwami means extreme. <cite>iiicon posted [p:939756809] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Great_Paul posted... </cite> <quote>Why are people hating on the characters? I really liked the entire cast, except Amelie.</quote>i don't hate them. i think some of them are charismatic, as the performers all did a great job. but they're all a mess of incoherent or obscured motivations and kojimaisms, and they don't have the decades of good will built up like the cast of metal gear solid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TVontheRadio 05/27/20 2:43:50 AM #40:	based on mgs4, mgsv, and death stranding all being narrative trainwrecks, i don't really have much else to say about kojima's writing chops. he can still direct a cutscene like no other, but he's basically been all style no substance since mgs4. he's got some interesting ideas, but he's proven to be completely inept at presenting them in a way that's engaging apart from "here's a cool cutscene", and that's dependent on whether or not there's a bunch of talking, because he's also shown he has no ear for dialogue. nobody talks like a human being in death stranding!!! and it expects you to empathize with these characters spouting gibberish. the actors did a commendable job, but good performances here couldn't carry a leaden script. i really don't use this word often because i think it's overused especially in internet forums, but death stranding is actually pretentious. its unearned confidence in believing the story it dedicates hours and hours to fumbling through has something profound to say is downright enviable. whatever insight you could gain from it can only be taken from the moment-to-moment gameplay, not from the thousands and thousands of words written for its plot, characters, and world-building. which goes back to the main point that he is indeed a brilliant game designer and a hack writer. you aren't wrong with your first impression. the way the game wraps up is bad. --- all you need <cite>TVontheRadio posted [p:939767131] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>based on mgs4, mgsv, and death stranding all being narrative trainwrecks, i don't really have much else to say about kojima's writing chops. he can still direct a cutscene like no other, but he's basically been all style no substance since mgs4. he's got some interesting ideas, but he's proven to be completely inept at presenting them in a way that's engaging apart from "here's a cool cutscene", and that's dependent on whether or not there's a bunch of talking, because he's also shown he has no ear for dialogue. nobody talks like a human being in death stranding!!! and it expects you to empathize with these characters spouting gibberish. the actors did a commendable job, but good performances here couldn't carry a leaden script. i really don't use this word often because i think it's overused especially in internet forums, but death stranding is actually pretentious. its unearned confidence in believing the story it dedicates hours and hours to fumbling through has something profound to say is downright enviable. whatever insight you could gain from it can only be taken from the moment-to-moment gameplay, not from the thousands and thousands of words written for its plot, characters, and world-building. which goes back to the main point that he is indeed a brilliant game designer and a hack writer. you aren't wrong with your first impression. the way the game wraps up is bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/27/20 3:41:14 AM #41:	Fwiw Higgs was fucking hilarious Troy Baker looked like he had great fun with it --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939768258] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Fwiw Higgs was fucking hilarious Troy Baker looked like he had great fun with it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/27/20 8:08:45 AM #42:	wtf did this game just reference the movie Anomalisa for some reason --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939772760] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>wtf did this game just reference the movie Anomalisa for some reason</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/27/20 8:10:11 AM #43:	70% of his body is made of movies --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939772784] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>70% of his body is made of movies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/27/20 8:16:24 AM #44:	I was curious so I just looked up MGS4 Four separate scenes in the game's finale add up to 71 minutes of non-play, and are longer than some theatrical films. The game also holds the record for longest single cutscene at 27 minutes. technically ive had control of Sam for some bits after I fought Sin, but that barely counts as play. I havent kept track but it definitely feels like this games been ending for at least an hour --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939772924] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>I was curious so I just looked up MGS4 Four separate scenes in the game's finale add up to 71 minutes of non-play, and are longer than some theatrical films. The game also holds the record for longest single cutscene at 27 minutes. technically ive had control of Sam for some bits after I fought Sin, but that barely counts as play. I havent kept track but it definitely feels like this games been ending for at least an hour</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/27/20 8:19:33 AM #45:	oh god now Cliff is explaining how hes like a physical cliff I am so mad --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939773012] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>oh god now Cliff is explaining how hes like a physical cliff I am so mad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bryans7 05/27/20 8:32:14 AM #46:	MoogleKupo141 posted... oh god now Cliff is explaining how hes like a physical cliff I am so mad Don't worry because ~~bridges can connect cliffs.~~ --- https://imgur.com/g8JFMhA <cite>bryans7 posted [p:939773308] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>oh god now Cliff is explaining how hes like a physical cliff I am so mad</quote> Don't worry because bridges can connect cliffs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 05/27/20 8:40:55 AM #47:	Now Cliff is a good character, period --- https://imgur.com/G17qCv1 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:939773556] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>Now Cliff is a good character, period </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/27/20 8:41:57 AM #48:	I liked Cliff a lot, yes Though Mads can pretty much do whatever he likes and I'll enjoy it. I fucking love that guy --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939773585] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>I liked Cliff a lot, yes Though Mads can pretty much do whatever he likes and I'll enjoy it. I fucking love that guy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/27/20 8:42:57 AM #49:	thank you kojima for throwing one last little scene into the credits so I could shout what? at my tv one last time Now Cliff is a good character, period I agree, or at least Mads Mikkelsen is so good that he tricks me into thinking the character is good. oh fuck god damn it chapter 15?????? --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939773613] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>thank you kojima for throwing one last little scene into the credits so I could shout what? at my tv one last time <quote> Now Cliff is a good character, period</quote> I agree, or at least Mads Mikkelsen is so good that he tricks me into thinking the character is good. oh fuck god damn it chapter 15??????</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 05/27/20 8:49:37 AM #50:	ahahahaha I groaned too but turns out it's just the free-roam chapter --- Come, azuarc, as you were As I want you to be <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:939773806] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>ahahahaha I groaned too but turns out it's just the free-roam chapter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/27/20 8:57:53 AM #51:	reading through some of the interview stuff I have unlocked and one of the Deadman ones straight up plugs The Shape of Water I love and hate this game so much at the same time. Even though that ending went on way too long, I wish I could have 100 more hours of the middle part. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939774077] in So serious... [t:78718557]...</cite> <quote>reading through some of the interview stuff I have unlocked and one of the Deadman ones straight up plugs The Shape of Water I love and hate this game so much at the same time. Even though that ending went on way too long, I wish I could have 100 more hours of the middle part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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