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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:23:13 AM
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SpacialEntropy posted...
Lmao. Joe's not alt right, he's just not PC or an SJW.

Nah he just exposes millions of people to the alt right Nazi supporters of Trump and gives them a free forum to spew propaganda.

He's a piece of shit. I hope the next President appoints an FCC chairman that takes shows like his off the internet.
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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:24:00 AM
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TommyG663513 posted...
Really? You have any links to clips of Joe talking about this stuff? I haven't been keeping up with his show for the last few months.

Yeah i saw it on youtube the other day. Guest was some woman i didnt recognize though so it may take me a bit to find it.

She admitted she knew nothing about it but said she was sure it was absurd. He went in with how its 100% legit and told her some vids to watch for proof.

Apparebtly her name was dave rubin. Found lots of articles about it on google but cant find the actually short to the point part of the video.

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TheoryzC
05/25/20 11:27:12 AM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Apparebtly her name was dave rubin.
Lmaooo

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chairforceone
05/25/20 11:27:29 AM
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I have literally zero idea why Joe Rogan makes people so upset. He smokes weed and talks to people OH MY GOD
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chairforceone
05/25/20 11:28:22 AM
#55:


cmiller4642 posted...
Nah he just exposes millions of people to the alt right Nazi supporters of Trump and gives them a free forum to spew propaganda.

He's a piece of shit. I hope the next President appoints an FCC chairman that takes shows like his off the internet.

You sound like psycho
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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:29:31 AM
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chairforceone posted...
You sound like psycho

Because I don't want alt right leaders to have a free reign audience to spew hate messages like they do on Rogan's show?

Nah let's just parade them out
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TommyG663513
05/25/20 11:29:52 AM
#57:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
I feel like people who hate Joe Rogan don't listen to him much

Most of his podcasts is just shootin' the shit with random people. He doesn't claim to be an expert on anything (except MMA I guess), he's just a dude talking about shit.

That's why he strikes a chord with people

I feel like the people who say the things you just said don't listen to him much....

I used to defend Joe, but I've stopped. Joe really is an idiot who is so easily swayed by his guests. He is pretty friendly with a lot of right wing political commentators and conspiracy theorist types.

He made Adam Conover look really stupid (as if Adam needed help) then he lets Alex Jones go on a conspiracy theory rant without any sort of mild cross examination. He should be able to make Alex Jones look like he belongs in diapers, but he gives him softballs.

I haven't listened to his show as much lately, but I keep watching YouTube clips of his recent stuff where he really downplays covid.

It'd be one thing if he was just a dude talking about stuff, but people do come to him for news. He is seen as an authority to many. He is extremely far from a no name which means he deserves scrutiny.

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Houston
05/25/20 11:30:55 AM
#58:


cmiller4642 posted...
Nah he just exposes millions of people to the alt right Nazi supporters of Trump and gives them a free forum to spew propaganda.

He's a piece of shit. I hope the next President appoints an FCC chairman that takes shows like his off the internet.

Lol.

This is a great example of why to vote for Trump! Who wants to be voting for candidates where people who want to restrict free speech are voting for??

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TommyG663513
05/25/20 11:31:49 AM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Yeah i saw it on youtube the other day. Guest was some woman i didnt recognize though so it may take me a bit to find it.

She admitted she knew nothing about it but said she was sure it was absurd. He went in with how its 100% legit and told her some vids to watch for proof.

Apparebtly her name was dave rubin. Found lots of articles about it on google but cant find the actually short to the point part of the video.

Yeah post a link or a title to the video if/when you find it

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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:31:50 AM
#60:


Houston posted...
Lol.

This is a great example of why to vote for Trump! Who wants to be voting for candidates where people who want to restrict free speech are voting for??

Free speech= promoting hate speech, conspiracy theories, and racist ideologies to millions of people like it's the gospel to indoctrinate them into the alt right like Rogan does.

Look at Infowars and what they've done.
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SpacialEntropy
05/25/20 11:33:24 AM
#61:


cmiller4642 posted...
Free speech= promoting hate speech, conspiracy theories, and racist ideologies to millions of people like it's the gospel to indoctrinate them into the alt right like Rogan does.

Look at Infowars and what they've done.

But it's okay for YOU to say whatever you want

That's the point, right?

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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:35:32 AM
#62:


SpacialEntropy posted...
But it's okay for YOU to say whatever you want

That's the point, right?

I don't promote racist hate speech and dangerous conspiracy theories to millions of people

Remember when Rogan's buddy Alex Jones relentlessly harassed the families of Sandy Hook because he believed Obama made it up to take guns away? That's the kind of shit shows like Rogan's podcast brings forth. It's dangerous.
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TommyG663513
05/25/20 11:36:33 AM
#63:


SpacialEntropy posted...
But it's okay for YOU to say whatever you want

That's the point, right?

Free speech was a mistake

Sort of

The spread of misinformation is a reality with free speech. Not saying that the alternative is preferable, but you can't deny that speech can be incredibly harmful.

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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:37:34 AM
#64:


TommyG663513 posted...
Free speech was a mistake

Sort of

The spread of misinformation is a reality with free speech. Not saying that the alternative is preferable, but you can't deny that speech can be incredibly harmful.

Just look at Alex Jones and Sandy Hook. That's exactly what shows like Joe Rogan's lead to. He promotes dangerous ideologies to young people.
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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:39:11 AM
#65:


chairforceone posted...
I have literally zero idea why Joe Rogan makes people so upset. He smokes weed and talks to people OH MY GOD

Hes a pretentious goof who occasionally admits he doesnt necessarily know shit but the other 98% of the time he speaks like hes a total authority on every subject.

Going well im no expert every so often while you talk like your opinions are gospel doesnt net you a free pass.

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Sansoldier
05/25/20 11:39:29 AM
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I don't really follow or watch the guy much. What makes him alt right? I only saw his interview with Kevin Hart and bits and pieces of one or two others. Just from what I saw, it didn't seem like he was inserting his opinions very strongly.

Does he bring dubious guests on his show, say dubious things himself, or both? (assuming alt-right is white supremacy or something similar, not really too knowledgeable about it).

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SpacialEntropy
05/25/20 11:39:32 AM
#67:


cmiller4642 posted...
I don't promote racist hate speech and dangerous conspiracy theories to millions of people

Remember when Rogan's buddy Alex Jones relentlessly harassed the families of Sandy Hook because he believed Obama made it up to take guns away? That's the kind of shit shows like Rogan's podcast brings forth. It's dangerous.

So are you. Either everyone has free speech or no one does. Don't promote tyranny please, thanks.

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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:40:04 AM
#68:


SpacialEntropy posted...
So are you. Either everyone has free speech or no one does. Don't promote tyranny please, thanks.

It's okay to relentlessly harass families of murdered 6 year olds like Rogan's BFF Alex Jones?
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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:41:23 AM
#69:


SpacialEntropy posted...
Lmao. Joe's not alt right, he's just not PC or an SJW.

Also hes ridiculed dumbasses who wear affliction for like 15 years now.

Theres an old standup vid of him ripping into some guy in the audience in an affliction shirt for a solid 5 minutes.

Im not a fan of rogan but that dude doesnt know wtf hes on about.

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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:42:34 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
Just look at Alex Jones and Sandy Hook. That's exactly what shows like Joe Rogan's lead to. He promotes dangerous ideologies to young people.

Lets just ban everything we dont want the younger generations to hear. Sure that sounds reasonable and not insane.

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gamer167
05/25/20 11:42:43 AM
#71:


I love me some JRE.

Keep em coming Joe, $100 million well earned my friend!
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TommyG663513
05/25/20 11:43:22 AM
#72:


cmiller4642 posted...
Just look at Alex Jones and Sandy Hook. That's exactly what shows like Joe Rogan's lead to. He promotes dangerous ideologies to young people.

Oh I agree. I just don't know what can be done about it. Well, I should say you can only do so much about it. The idea of the government shutting down programs would be a bigger problem though.

I like the idea of private companies stepping up and not letting idiots use their platform. Like how YouTube kept taking down that plandemic documentary or how Alex Jones got booted off of Twitter.

Not sure what you can do about Rogan or people like him. Dude has way too many followers. Difficult to ban him from any platform without it blowing up in your face. His show is spread out among so many platforms that there isn't much of a point in banning him from just one of them. You'd need YouTube to boot him as well as every single podcasting platform. The guy brings in too much of a viewership for that to happen.

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SpacialEntropy
05/25/20 11:43:52 AM
#73:


cmiller4642 posted...
It's okay to relentlessly harass families of murdered 6 year olds like Rogan's BFF Alex Jones?

It goes against my values, but he's free to say what he wants just as you or anyone else is. Doesn't mean he's not a POS. Just that he has the same rights.

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Smashingpmkns
05/25/20 11:44:09 AM
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I feel like holding Rogan responsible for Alex Jones is kinda stupid.
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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:45:43 AM
#75:


TommyG663513 posted...
Free speech was a mistake

Sort of

The spread of misinformation is a reality with free speech. Not saying that the alternative is preferable, but you can't deny that speech can be incredibly harmful.

I can only find it on reddit now for some reason.

https://www.reddit.com/r/daverubin/comments/gmb3zl/joe_rogan_tells_the_female_dave_rubin_he_believes/


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TommyG663513
05/25/20 11:45:54 AM
#76:


CanuckCowboy posted...
Hes a pretentious goof who occasionally admits he doesnt necessarily know shit but the other 98% of the time he speaks like hes a total authority on every subject.

Going well im no expert every so often while you talk like your opinions are gospel doesnt net you a free pass.

Just think of how much worse off he'd be without Jaime to Google stuff for him as he shouts out his opinion

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hockeybub89
05/25/20 11:45:56 AM
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Yeah but if you don't interview conspiracy theorists and other whackjobs regularly, then you're basically killing public discourse and destroying society. Everyone has a right to a platform!

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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:46:03 AM
#78:


Smashingpmkns posted...
I feel like holding Rogan responsible for Alex Jones is kinda stupid.

He promotes him along with other alt right racist voices
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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:46:29 AM
#79:


TommyG663513 posted...
Oh I agree. I just don't know what can be done about it. Well, I should say you can only do so much about it. The idea of the government shutting down programs would be a bigger problem though.

I like the idea of private companies stepping up and not letting idiots use their platform. Like how YouTube kept taking down that plandemic documentary or how Alex Jones got booted off of Twitter.

Not sure what you can do about Rogan or people like him. Dude has way too many followers. Difficult to ban him from any platform without it blowing up in your face. His show is spread out among so many platforms that there isn't much of a point in banning him from just one of them. You'd need YouTube to boot him as well as every single podcasting platform. The guy brings in too much of a viewership for that to happen.

With the spotify deal he claims hes leaving youtube.

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gamer167
05/25/20 11:46:55 AM
#80:


Smashingpmkns posted...
I feel like holding Rogan responsible for Alex Jones is kinda stupid.

Especially if people knew what they where talking about they would know Joe actually called Alex Jones out for how stupid the Sandy Hook stuff was!
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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:47:26 AM
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TommyG663513 posted...
Just think of how much worse off he'd be without Jaime to Google stuff for him as he shouts out his opinion

oh god itd be.... actually itd probly be hilarious. Definitely hurt his following though.

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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:47:52 AM
#82:


gamer167 posted...
Especially if people knew what they where talking about they would know Joe actually called Alex Jones out for how stupid the Sandy Hook stuff was!

But he brings him out to spew his beliefs all the time.
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TommyG663513
05/25/20 11:48:16 AM
#83:


Smashingpmkns posted...
I feel like holding Rogan responsible for Alex Jones is kinda stupid.

The term would be enabling. He has given the guy a platform numerous times and thus people are more likely to take his words with credibility.

Certainly he isn't responsible for the entirety of Alex Jones, but Rogan has very much played a role.

Rogan in general is kind of a pro conspiracy theory type of guy

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Smashingpmkns
05/25/20 11:49:13 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
I feel like holding Rogan responsible for Alex Jones is kinda stupid.

He promotes him along with other alt right racist voices


Just as much as people like Bill Maher does. I think this discourse gives way too much credence to Rogan tbh.
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gamer167
05/25/20 11:49:17 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
But he brings him out to spew his beliefs all the time.

Beliefs which he often criticizes!
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EnterTheTekken
05/25/20 11:50:14 AM
#87:


You might wanna be mindful of how you want to ban things. The same reasoning you are arguing for banning Joe Rogan is the same reasoning that we rejected back in the 90's-2000's when Tipper Gore & Joe Lieberman wanted to ban/severely limit violent video games & gangsta rap.

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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:50:59 AM
#88:


gamer167 posted...
Beliefs which he often criticizes!

He doesnt come close to shooting down jones idiocy in any meaningful way. Cmon.

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cmiller4642
05/25/20 11:51:14 AM
#89:


EnterTheTekken posted...
You might wanna be mindful of how you want to ban things. The same reasoning you are arguing for banning Joe Rogan is the same reasoning that we rejected back in the 90's-2000's when Tipper Gore & Joe Lieberman wanted to ban/severely limit violent video games & gangsta rap.

Racist podcasts= video games
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EnterTheTekken
05/25/20 11:52:09 AM
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cmiller4642 posted...
Racist podcasts= video games


I'm not comparing the mediums. I'm comparing the reasoning for banning/limiting the mediums. You understand that, right?

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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:52:14 AM
#91:


kewldude475 posted...
Does anyone care to show any proof Joe Rogan is alt-right? He seems like more of a centrist to me if anything. I guess to hardcore leftists anything someone does which isn't hardcore leftism is alt-rightism, but c'mon here.

Sure Rogan has hardcore right-wingers like Ben Shapiro, and he doesn't go out of his way to call them out on their bullshit, but even that isn't enough to outright label him alt-right I would say.

He was a centrist with some strong far left opinions and some far right ones.

Was.

Hes leaning further right every day though.

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gamer167
05/25/20 11:52:18 AM
#92:


CanuckCowboy posted...
He doesnt come close to shooting down jones idiocy in any meaningful way. Cmon.

He doesnt have to. Just because thats what you would like!
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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:56:17 AM
#93:


gamer167 posted...
He doesnt have to. Just because thats what you would like!

Never said he does. Just said its some stupid shit behaviour.

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TheoryzC
05/25/20 11:56:44 AM
#95:


kewldude475 posted...
Does anyone care to show any proof Joe Rogan is alt-right? He seems like more of a centrist to me if anything. I guess to hardcore leftists anything someone does which isn't hardcore leftism is alt-rightism, but c'mon here.

Sure Rogan has hardcore right-wingers like Ben Shapiro, and he doesn't go out of his way to call them out on their bullshit, but even that isn't enough to outright label him alt-right I would say.
Its mostly cause he's a "edgy" comedian and is anti-sjw. And being anti-sjw is the only common ground he has with someone like Ben Shapiro.

Once that ends things get a little dicey cause that last time he has Shapiro on they went back and forth for like a half hour on gay marriage

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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 11:59:38 AM
#96:


kewldude475 posted...
Understandable, sine the far left gets more and more radical every day. Honestly the far-left wingers are basically hurting themselves at this point in time since they are pushing people who are for, or at least understand of their points of view, away from them.

The more radical the far-left gets, the more normal, more centralized people are gonna push back.

Gee its almost like your biased and looking to excuse rogan.

Theyre are more left wing extremists so he HAS to become an alt right paragon!

ummmm ok?

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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 12:01:01 PM
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Also on the ep discussing red dead redemption 2 he sounded like someones grandpa who was unaware games have advanced since like the Snes.

The old dude was finally sounding his age for once.

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TommyG663513
05/25/20 12:03:05 PM
#98:


kewldude475 posted...
Does anyone care to show any proof Joe Rogan is alt-right? He seems like more of a centrist to me if anything. I guess to hardcore leftists anything someone does which isn't hardcore leftism is alt-rightism, but c'mon here.

Sure Rogan has hardcore right-wingers like Ben Shapiro, and he doesn't go out of his way to call them out on their bullshit, but even that isn't enough to outright label him alt-right I would say.

Very few people genuinely believe he is alt right himself. He just comes off as appealing to alt right types. As you said, he has a habit of inviting lots of hard right wing guests and tossing them softballs.

He is more of an annoying centrist who likes to act like he is so impartial by labeling both sides as the same as he picks and chooses when to align himself with either side.

Rogan is very prone to repeat the last thing he heard and take it as fact.

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CanuckCowboy
05/25/20 12:05:20 PM
#100:


kewldude475 posted...
Joe Rogan is not edgy in the least lol. If anything his viewpoints seem to appeal to the most people possible, as evidenced by the fact that people consider him "mainstream" now.

Oh geez here we go with the nonsense from the far-left. He's not alt-right. I'm saying that he mostly expresses viewpoints that are considered by far-left nutjobs to be "alt-right" because of how ridiculous the far left has become lately, so that he can offer a fair and balanced point of view.

I dislike far-right and alt-right viewpoints as much as any other reasonable person, but Joe Rogan is far from alt-right or far-right.

SHowing yer colours bud. Enough so to make it clear that honest discourse with you is not a possibility.

Not sure if thats your intent or your generally not self aware enough to see how biased you are.

Amounts to the same thing either way.

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