Current Events > US had the equivalent of 12 plane crashes a day for 8 weeks with lack of grief

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https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-22/little-sense-of-shared-grief-as-virus-deaths-near-100-000

For months after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the nation ached together in televised memorials, joining in a collective catharsis of uniformed salutes, bagpiped dirges and President George W. Bush declaring a national day of mourning and remembrance. The space shuttle Challenger explosion in 1986 turned classrooms into grieving sessions, with President Reagan directly addressing the national wounds. The Japanese attack on Hawaiis Pearl Harbor in 1941 was a day that President Franklin D. Roosevelt said would live in infamy, uniting the mainland to enter a world war. Yet as the nation nears 100,000 deaths from COVID-19 far more than all those tragic events combined or the entire Vietnam War there is little sense this Memorial Day weekend that Americans are grieving together or uniting in a sense of purpose. While Americans have shared undeniable hardships since March including more than 38 million people forced to file for unemployment, and tens of millions more forced to hunker down at home to avoid the contagion the carnage is hitting them unevenly.

I dont think were taking this in, said David Kessler, an author of six books on grief. Its easy to digest a statistic. It is not easy to digest 12 plane crashes a day, Kessler said. Especially when there are no visuals. We arent seeing 90,000 caskets. That kind of stuff would shock us. Maybe this is too big for us to comprehend.

Never really thought of the close to 100k deaths like that.

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MelbuFrahma4 posted...

100k deaths

US population is over 300 million isn't it?

that's a lot of deaths but still a statistically insignificant number

Kaiganeer posted...

US population is over 300 million isn't it?

that's a lot of deaths but still a statistically insignificant number

I think point of the article went over your head. It is that 100k people died they aren't a statistic. Not much grieving is being done over it. It is like nothing happened. When that number is basically 12 plane crashes a day for 2 months.

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How many trains crashing into a volcano is that a day?

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MelbuFrahma4 posted...

Not much grieving is being done over it

right, my point was that it doesn't need to be grieved on a national scale because it is a statistically insignificant number that's grown over time rather than them happening in an instant

you could even argue that covid deaths are natural deaths to a degree

MelbuFrahma4 posted...

I think point of the article went over your head. It is that 100k people died they aren't a statistic. Not much grieving is being done over it. It is like nothing happened. When that number is basically 12 plane crashes a day for 2 months.

Plane crashes and viruses are two different things though. One is biological, it's origin purported to be natural, and like the saying goes "it (nature) takes it course".
The other, you don't normally expect deaths. A plane crashes? That a result of either deliberate action or accidental happenstance.

Kaiganeer posted...

right, my point was that it doesn't need to be grieved on a national scale because it is a statistically insignificant number that's grown over time rather than them happening in an instant

you could even argue that covid deaths are natural deaths to a degree

This is a really shitty take. I sincerely hope that you will never have to watch someone you love die from Covid, only to see someone else calling 90k deaths insignificant

Thats 90,000 people. A large high school has 2k students. Imagine walking through 45(!!!!) high schools and instead of seeing 2k kids, you see 2k bodies

90k is huge

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The country is large enough that 3000 people can die in a day and it won't affect you personally. In many people's minds, nearly 100k deaths did not happen. There are probably people who still do not know a single person who has been infected personally.

It would probably help if there was more coverage on the mass graves, funerals and the crying families but as of right now majority of the media coverage is on the stuff Trump/Dems have to say, the unemployment/stock market, and the workers and their PPE complaints. It reminds me of the Iraq War when people kept dying but there were no photos of the caskets or videos of their deaths.

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Beep boop why are these humans grieving their statistically irrelevant dead

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People dont obsessively worship and trust the almighty television like they did 20 years ago

a lot of weird responses in here

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Lebronwon posted...

There are probably people who still do not know a single person who has been infected personally.

Indeed. I dont know anyone whos been infected, nor do any of my coworkers, nor does any of my family immediate or distant, nor do any of the multiple Germans I still keep in contact with from a past exchange trip.

Im pretty sure the total case count in my county is 2. So my lack of fear ought to be understandable.

Wow @ "Well it's a large percentage of the population so who cares if they die"
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fhqwhgads posted...

a lot of weird responses in here

Ill explain my television post..peoples emotions and opinions are formed by what the television says. Back when 9/11 happened the patriotism and grief blah blah blah was pushed 24/7 to no end, to allow garbage like the Patriot Act to actually be supported.

Today, the TV is pressing the doom and gloom and horror, but so many less are plugged in after 2 decades of innumerable examples of the media being a complete fucking joke and as fact as a Dr. Seuss book.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Wow @ "Well it's a large percentage of the population so who cares if they die"

4-5 million people die every month in the world.

Explain how you cared before all of this.

Well yeah, that's what happens when half the country thinks this is a liberal hoax and cares more about the dollar

VVALLBOUNCE posted...

4-5 million people die every month in the world.

Explain how you cared before all of this.

Sigless user logic

Because there is a global pandemic going on right now that is America is not being checked and many more will die.
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fhqwhgads posted...

a lot of weird responses in here

cool guys dont care about dead people

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Kaiganeer posted...

US population is over 300 million isn't it?

that's a lot of deaths but still a statistically insignificant number

Almost 330 million. Also there are WAY more deaths in that same time from other causes, such as abortion and car wrecks and heart disease and cancer.

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guesswho33 posted...

Almost 330 million. Also there are WAY more deaths in that same time from other causes, such as abortion and car wrecks and heart disease and cancer.

about 30k people die in car accidents per year


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ultimate reaver posted...

about 30k people die in car accidents per year

either way those others kill more and we don't know the real coronavirus death toll. it could be much lower than people say. In fact it's really probably close to 0 because it's actually the underlying conditions doing the killing, just the virus sets it off.

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guesswho33 posted...

either way those others kill more and we don't know the real coronavirus death toll. it could be much lower than people say. In fact it's really probably close to 0 because it's actually the underlying conditions doing the killing, just the virus sets it off.

Oh look another alt to put on ignore

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thronedfire2 posted...

Oh look another alt to put on ignore

That's just another delusional Keyboard Warrior. He was trying to gaslight people into thinking Trump had a fantastic response to the virus, lmao.

Harpie posted...

This is a really shitty take. I sincerely hope that you will never have to watch someone you love die from Covid, only to see someone else calling 90k deaths insignificant

Thats 90,000 people. A large high school has 2k students. Imagine walking through 45(!!!!) high schools and instead of seeing 2k kids through the halls, in classrooms and the lunchroom... but every single one of them is dead

90k is a devastating amount of people

this is why i specified "on a national scale". of course you're going to personally grieve over the loss of a loved one no matter the cause and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but in the case of covid, i don't think we need memorials built, holidays instated or moments of silence held because it is ultimately just another disease in a sea of many nor can you expect people to get genuinely invested in the lives lost because of it

this obviously has nothing to do with preventative measures and getting the epidemic under control

Kaiganeer posted...

US population is over 300 million isn't it?

that's a lot of deaths but still a statistically insignificant number

i totally get the comparison with the national population but a lot of these deaths could have been avoidable

theres also a human cost with every death that statistics cant show. theres a mother, father, grandparents and tragedies of a family member dying way too early due to covid-19

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That's a bad take. Last year's flu was from 37-70k, which is also a lot of plane crashes, and nothing was felt. Illness and accidents/attacks aren't close to the same thing.

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Wow 3AM takes on CE sure are a hoot.

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Because the government and the CEOs do not want us grieving this time.

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Parappa09 posted...

i totally get the comparison with the national population but a lot of these deaths could have been avoidable

theres also a human cost with every death that statistics cant show. theres a mother, father, grandparents and tragedies of a family member dying way too early due to covid-19

Exactly. And it may not look like much expressed as a percentage but over 200 deaths per million people is nothing to just casually overlook (unless yer a total jackass).

And many of the deaths in the us could have been prevented. Canada has half the deaths per million people that the states do. Meanwhile as re opening gets underway the number of unnecessary deaths will just climb higher and higher.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/covid-19-us-canada-death-rates-1.5553168

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Knowledge_King posted...

That's a bad take. Last year's flu was from 37-70k, which is also a lot of plane crashes, and nothing was felt. Illness and accidents/attacks aren't close to the same thing.

Comparing a pandemic to a seasonal illness is worse.

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Kaiganeer posted...

US population is over 300 million isn't it?

that's a lot of deaths but still a statistically insignificant number

This is one of the most disgusting posts I've ever seen on this website

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ThunderTrain posted...

This is one of the most disgusting posts I've ever seen on this website

Theres a few of those itt.

i dunno wtf is wrong with people who see covid19 as a good trolling topic.

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Some of CE are seriously fucked up, judging from some responses in here.

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2,8 millions people die in USA every year. This is such a sensational article.

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Funkydog posted...

Some of CE are seriously fucked up, judging from some responses in here.

Yep

Even if they're trolling, that's a fucked up thing to troll about

That kind of shit is easy to say on an anonymous forum, but I bet the tune would change when talking to someone who actually lost a loved one to covid
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Theres a few of those itt.

i dunno wtf is wrong with people who see covid19 as a good trolling topic.

I agree. Its incredibly offensive to compare people dying from a disease to a terrorist attack.

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Siaperaz posted...

2,8 millions people die in USA every year. This is such a sensational article.

People die anyways so this doesnt matter.

Fuck sakes i hope youre not over 13. That kinda logic from a dumbass kid could be forgivable. From anyone else its just fucking terrible.

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Harpie posted...

This is a really shitty take. I sincerely hope that you will never have to watch someone you love die from Covid, only to see someone else calling 90k deaths insignificant

Thats 90,000 people. A large high school has 2k students. Imagine walking through 45(!!!!) high schools and instead of seeing 2k kids through the halls, in classrooms and the lunchroom... but every single one of them is dead

90k is a devastating amount of people

This is a really shitty take on so many levels

I think it's probably more relevant to talk about more Americans dying as a result of the wars launched in response to 9/11 than something completely unrelated.

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I think the government should ban seatbelts and airbags and end all environmental protections. Statistically speaking, most people will still not die in accidents and nature will kill most of us even if we don't egg it on. Look at how logical and realistic I am. Facts don't care about your feelings and I can take care of myself.

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Clutch posted...

I agree. Its incredibly offensive to compare people dying from a disease to a terrorist attack.

Yeah our government has more blame for the pandemic deaths.

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ssjevot posted...

I think it's probably more relevant to talk about more Americans dying as a result of the wars launched in response to 9/11 than something completely unrelated.

which coincidentally is a significantly smaller number than the number of deaths from covid-19

are the same people gonna call those statistically insignificant and not worth grieving over or does something make those lives more valuable than the "statistically insignificant" covid-19 deaths

JoeBurrow posted...

which coincidentally is a significantly smaller number than the number of deaths from covid-19

are the same people gonna call those statistically insignificant and not worth grieving over or does something make those lives more valuable than the "statistically insignificant" covid-19 deaths

And it's "statistically insignificant" yet some of those same people want us to go to war with China. Who fights a war over a hoax and natural deaths that we blame on it?

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debating what disaster people should be more upset about over another is such a shitty point of baiting.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Yeah our government has more blame for the pandemic deaths.

Sure. The government has done a ton of stupid things during this outbreak. Like sending positive patients to nursing homes.

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Probably because the majority of people that died where really old.

gamer167 posted...

Probably because the majority of people that died where really old.

I'm sure you'd be cool with me coughing on your oldest relatives until they die then

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chrono625 posted...

debating what disaster people should be more upset about over another is such a shitty point of baiting.

Apparently people arent angry enough yet for someones purposes.

That should be disconcerting.

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gamer167 posted...

Probably because the majority of people that died where really old.

I mean, not to downplay anything but those that did succumb were nearly all in the high risk category.