Current Events > Police beat black mother and adult son for returning a TV.

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fucking St. Louis suburbs police took one look at those two and made up their minds that they were going to gang assault them.

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cjsdowg posted...

On you clearly didn't read the whole story and you bring up stuff that don't matter

so that considered. why didnt he just show his reciept that he purchased it instead of making a drama that had the police called? Doesnt the receipt show who served him too?

I mean why were they in the back of the store taking it upon themselves to grab a TV without employee assistance?

toyota posted...

so that considered. why didnt he just show his reciept that he purchased it instead of making a drama that had the police called? Doesnt the receipt show who served him too?

Yeah. Probably had some sort scam trick they were planning?
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Don't respond to toyota's thinly veiled shitposting

or that other dude with a 17 year old account that just backed him up

treewojima posted...

Don't respond to toyota's thinly veiled shitposting

or that other dude with a 17 year old account that just backed him up

Not sure why the mods treat every single toyota post as if it exists in a vacuum and ignore the overall theme of the content he posts


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Its an honest question. Just from the information provided, it seems like this misunderstanding could have been resolved easily if they just showed their receipt and confirmed with the sales person that served him

I dont know how they process sales/items that are left behind at that store but shouldnt there be some sort of procedure where they go to a certain checkout where the item is being held for collection. show their receipt/docket/ticket, then they hand over the item.

Dont tell me it was some dumbass situation where once he realized it wouldnt fit in SUV brought it back to the store, left it near a register or entrance. Yelled out to someone he was gonna leave it there, cos he needed to get his truck, expecting him to unofficially mind it. Then just came back and just grabbed it like it was all cool without mentioning it to anyone. Of course if thats how it was done then people would question wtf was going on when you see a dude pick up a TV and just try to walk out with it.

toyota posted...

Its an honest question.

No its not. Shut the hell up. No one falls for this shit anymore dude.


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Rika_Furude posted...

So who keeps saying racism is dead?

Unfair represent will come in here and argue that the pigs were self defending and that the victims were stalking someone

wut
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Dont tell me it was some dumbass situation where once he realized it wouldnt fit in SUV brought it back to the store, left it near a register or entrance. Yelled out to someone he was gonna leave it there, cos he needed to get his truck, expecting him to unofficially mind it. Then just came back and just grabbed it like it was all cool without mentioning it to anyone. Of course if thats how it was done then people would question wtf was going on when you see a dude pick up a TV and just try to walk outtoyota posted...

Its an honest question. Just from the information provided, it seems like this misunderstanding could have been resolved easily if they just showed their receipt and confirmed with the sales person that served him

I dont know how they process sales/items that are left behind at that store but shouldnt there be some sort of procedure where they go to a certain checkout where the item is being held for collection. show their receipt/docket/ticket, then they hand over the item.

Dont tell me it was some dumbass situation where once he realized it wouldnt fit in SUV brought it back to the store, left it near a register or entrance. Yelled out to someone he was gonna leave it there, cos he needed to get his truck, expecting him to unofficially mind it. Then just came back and just grabbed it like it was all cool without mentioning it to anyone. Of course if thats how it was done then people would question wtf was going on when you see a dude pick up a TV and just try to walk out with it.

Yeah there are just some things you just don't do common sense sure is in short supply these days.
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toyota posted...

Its an honest question. Just from the information provided, it seems like this misunderstanding could have been resolved easily if they just showed their receipt and confirmed with the sales person that served him

I dont know how they process sales/items that are left behind at that store but shouldnt there be some sort of procedure where they go to a certain checkout where the item is being held for collection. show their receipt/docket/ticket, then they hand over the item.

Dont tell me it was some dumbass situation where once he realized it wouldnt fit in SUV brought it back to the store, left it near a register or entrance. Yelled out to someone he was gonna leave it there, cos he needed to get his truck, expecting him to unofficially mind it. Then just came back and just grabbed it like it was all cool without mentioning it to anyone. Of course if thats how it was done then people would question wtf was going on when you see a dude pick up a TV and just try to walk out with it.

It seems like you're purposefully not reading the whole story.

They bought the TV, but it wouldn't fit in their SUV. They came back with a different vehicle to pick the TV up, and employees accused them of stealing it. They were able to verify the purchase and leave with the TV. They came back to return the TV because they were upset about being accused of stealing it. Employees were still accusing them of stealing the TV and called the cops. That's when the arrest happened.

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Inb4 someone starts combing the internet for a rap sheet to justify this.

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CableZL posted...

It seems like you're purposefully not reading the whole story.

Thats toyotas whole thing

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CableZL posted...

It seems like you're purposefully not reading the whole story.

Im just going by the information that has been made available in the article

CableZL posted...

They came back with a different vehicle to pick the TV up

This is what I dont get. When he went to get a different vehicle where and with whom did he leave the TV with?
How and in what manner did he leave it there?

Does Sams Club have a procedure when customers leave items behind to pick up at a later date or was it just one of those things he thought he could just leave it there in good faith which turned out to screw him over? Cos a store shouldnt be held accountable/responsible if a dude asks them to mind his (expensive) item unofficially and is like 'hey, imma just get my truck, ill be back in an hour'.

For all we know, if thats the manner it was left it, some other random guy could have come back claiming to be the guy the left it, they hand it over then when the real buyer comes back the item is gone and they thing he is trying to pull some scam. Then the store/employee gets in trouble for giving it to the wrong person

The fact there was so much confusion behind it tells me there was no real policy behind leaving items there and that the guy shouldnt have left it there in the first place or he didnt do so in the proper way thinking he is the only customer around and that it should be cool theyll know its his.. You cant really blame the store for thinking something fishy was going on if that was the case.

Cobra1010 posted...

Like the sex offenders register. There should be a racist in professional careers register.

So people like doctors refusing to treat people of different colour properly, religious positions discriminating a certain colour of people, racist teachers and cops etc.

you are right. But sadly things are trending the opposite way. They have been passing so-called religiously liberty laws that allow people to deny services, even medical services to people based on a vague concept of religion. Theoretically if you are a doctor and your religion tells you not to help people of color you can leave them to bleed out at the ER. No religion actually tells you its ok, but again, no religion actually tells you being gay is wrong and many people say they do anyway

MrMallard posted...

Inb4 someone starts combing the internet for a rap sheet to justify this.

see? She had a c- once when she was 18! Totally justified guys *rolls eyes*

CableZL posted...

It seems like you're purposefully not reading the whole story.

FursonaNonGrata posted...

Thats toyotas whole thing

Would he read it if it's posted on the topic itself?

CableZL posted...

They bought the TV, but it wouldn't fit in their SUV. They came back with a different vehicle to pick the TV up, and employees accused them of stealing it. They were able to verify the purchase and leave with the TV. They came back to return the TV because they were upset about being accused of stealing it. Employees were still accusing them of stealing the TV and called the cops. That's when the arrest happened.

From the article:

Grays son, Derek Gray, bought the television on 23 March, but could not fit the 65in device into his SUV. The lawsuit alleges when he came back to retrieve it, employees falsely accused him of stealing it. He eventually managed to verify his purchase and take the TV home.

As an outraged frequent store customer, Gray insisted her son return the television as a matter of principle. That is when, the lawsuit alleges, they were tackled and arrested without cause in the presence of several witnesses. Attorneys confirmed multiple videos of the incident are circulating online.

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Laserion posted...

Would he read it if it's posted on the topic itself?

Having it in the topic itself makes it even more likely that he wont read it.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Thats toyotas whole thing

Im just saying. When I was in college I used to work in a furniture store and when customers said they were going to get their truck to pick it up I would tell them we just needed to fill up some paper work.

They would always be like 'Oh dont worry about it, i will be back in 30 mins.' but Id make them fill it in anyways just in case. Just got some details, the item details, and then tagged the items they were leaving behind.

Every now and then one of my co-workers would skip that step 'because they said they would be back in half an hour anyways' and guess what, sometimes they didnt, then a few days later they would come back. Employee who made the sale doesnt really remember the person or isnt working that day. No one would know about the sale, customer waves around their receipt angrily which just proves that they bought the item there but doesnt actually prove they had left it behind.

Sounds like a similar situation with this customer. Although he did come back the same day, there was no proper proof he was left a TV behind

toyota posted...

Im just saying. When I was in college I used to work in a furniture store and when customers said they were going to get their truck to pick it up I would tell them we just needed to fill up some paper work.

They would always be like 'Oh dont worry about it, i will be back in 30 mins.' but Id make them fill it in anyways just in case. Just got some details, the item details, and then tagged the items they were leaving behind.

Every now and then one of my co-workers would skip that step 'because they said they would be back in half an hour anyways' and guess what, sometimes they didnt, then a few days later they would come back. Employee who made the sale doesnt really remember the person or isnt working that day. No one would know about the sale, customer waves around their receipt angrily which just proves that they bought the item there but doesnt actually prove they had left it behind.

Sounds like a similar situation with this customer. Although he did come back the same day, there was no proper proof he was left a TV behind

You're still ignoring the fact that they were arrested when they tried to return the TV.

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Laserion posted...

Grays son, Derek Gray, bought the television on 23 March, but could not fit the 65in device into his SUV. The lawsuit alleges when he came back to retrieve it, employees falsely accused him of stealing it. He eventually managed to verify his purchase and take the TV home.

@Laserion

Yeah i was going by that information.

Sounds to me he did make the purchase, had the proof it was purchased at that store. But didnt have proof that he planned on leaving it there and was now there to pick it up. Or else it wouldnt have taken that long to prove it nor would there have been that much drama surrounding it that he was accused of stealing it and cops had to come in.

Sounds to me he just told a random employee he was leaving it there, that employee eventually goes home or goes on his break. Dude comes back and cant really prove that he had left a TV there. 'eventually managed to verify his purchase' seems like the original employee he left it with came back or was phonecalled to say 'yeah some dude left his tv there lol'

shockthemonkey posted...

Youre not fooling anyone

Take a chillpill bro.
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toyota posted...

@Laserion

Yeah i was going by that information.

Sounds to me he did make the purchase, had the proof it was purchased at that store. But didnt have proof that he planned on leaving it there and was now there to pick it up. Or else it wouldnt have taken that long to prove it nor would there have been that much drama surrounding it that he was accused of stealing it and cops had to come in.

Sounds to me he just told a random employee he was leaving it there, that employee eventually goes home or goes on his break. Dude comes back and cant really prove that he had left a TV there. 'eventually managed to verify his purchase' seems like the original employee he left it with came back or was phonecalled to say 'yeah some dude left his tv there lol'

Still ignoring the fact that the arrest happened when they came back to return the TV.

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one of the biggest problems with cops, even if they aren't looking for a reason to fight, is that they just will not let anyone get a word in at all. cuff first, ask questions- well... never. didn't even try and ask what's up, just goes straight for the cuff

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CableZL posted...

You're still ignoring the fact that they were arrested when they tried to return the TV.

Because I wasnt really talking about that. I was always just talking about the confusion about the item and why employees may have thought he was pulling some double dipping scam or stealing and how super large TVs kind of suck and wondering why people even liked them so much.

But if you want to discuss the police.

Seeing that they felt it got to the point where they needed to intervene, seems like she was causing a scene, most likely verbally abusing staff and being a bit of 'a Karen' over what happened to her son earlier being accused of stealing the TV (why else did she feel the need to come along to refund the TV).

The videos I have seen doesnt really show what happened before they were pinned to the ground. Were they still causing a scene when asked to leave? Did they flick their arm back and strike the police when the police tried to guide them towards the exit? Did they flip out? Who knows? But I believe the police could have handled it better and definitely used stupidly excessive force where they were there to diffuse the situation and escort her out.

But from the written statement supposedly the following occured though I would prefer to see some proper surveilance.

As one of our officers attempted to detain a male subject for the reported Larceny, the subject
did not comply and began to struggle with the officers. This struggle started as soon as the
subject was told he was being detained and one handcuff was applied. This officer continued to
struggle with the subject, which led to them both crashing into the wall near the emergency exit
at the front of the store. The subject attempted to remove a fire extinguisher from the wall
(during the struggle) in a manner to attempt to use it against the officer but it was dislodged from
him as he was wrestled to the ground. The subject was then taken into custody. The incident
remains under investigation; however, the department will be applying for charges of
Aggravated Assault 2nd on a Law Enforcement Officer and Stealing in the near future.

At the time of this incident, our department had three (3) Des Peres officers on the scene and
assisted by neighboring agencies after an officer in need of aid call was dispatched. We are
appreciative of the officers who responded to assist in securing the scene.

A family member who began to grab and pull at the officers during the initial contact was also
taken into custody and charged with interfering and resisting arrest.
During this incident we had a total of four officers transported to a medical center for treatment
related to an exposure and a dislocated finger to the officer who originally attempted to place
the subject into custody. The subject was also transported to a medical center where he was
treated and released.

Still. I stand by what i have been saying that it seems like this was all caused because either the man who purchased the TV just left it behind in an incorrect manner or whoever he spoke to (if he even did) about leaving it behind didnt follow procedure or didnt at least tell other coworkers that some guy purchased a tv and was going to pick it up later..

toyota posted...

Because I wasnt really talking about that. I was always just talking about the confusion about the item and why employees may have thought he was pulling some double dipping scam or stealing and how super large TVs kind of suck and wondering why people even liked them so much.

But if you want to discuss the police.

Seeing that they felt it got to the point where they needed to intervene, seems like she was causing a scene, most likely verbally abusing staff and being a bit of 'a Karen' over what happened to her son earlier being accused of stealing the TV (why else did she feel the need to come along to refund the TV).

The videos I have seen doesnt really show what happened before they were pinned to the ground. Were they still causing a scene when asked to leave? Did they flick their arm back and strike the police when the police tried to guide them towards the exit? Did they flip out? Who knows? But I believe the police could have handled it better and definitely used stupidly excessive force where they were there to diffuse the situation and escort her out.

But from the written statement supposedly the following occured though I would prefer to see some proper surveilance.

Still. I stand by what i have been saying that it seems like this was all caused because either the man who purchased the TV just left it behind in an incorrect manner or whoever he spoke to (if he even did) about leaving it behind didnt follow procedure or didnt at least tell other coworkers that some guy purchased a tv and was going to pick it up later..

Employees told police the TV was stolen when they came back to return it. You know, after it was verified they purchased it.

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full cam footage, i think
https://ksdk.com/embeds/video/63-de62a8a6-bd22-46e4-a386-4a5ee3236b85/iframe?jwsource=cl

or not...

dunno how to get the link to work, but if you skip the vid in the original article, it's the next one that loads up

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CableZL posted...

Employees told police the TV was stolen when they came back to return it. You know, after it was verified they purchased it.

Really? Where did it say that? How was it verified?

I can see how employees would still think it was stolen.

• Records show he purchased it at XX time
• Seems like there was no record that it was left behind to be picked up at a later time which caused this drama.
• From their records item purchased has been taken home already.
• Customer comes back waving his receipt around asking for the TV
• Store thinks this dude is trying to get 2 TV's for the price of one
• Eventually store gives in and he gets his TV. His mother is annoyed and wants him to return it on principle
• Store now thinks he is trying to get a refund so its like he gets the original TV for free

Trust me, Ive seen shit like this happen at the furniture store and just for ease of it Ive seen the manager just let it slide.

Personally I dont think he stole it. I just think he made the mistake of leaving it behind, basically unattended so you cant really blame others or get mad for thinking you stole it or are trying to pull a 2 for 1 scam. because people really actually try to do that shit.

Just look at how people abuse no receipt return policies.

viewmaster_pi posted...

full cam footage, i think
https://ksdk.com/embeds/video/63-de62a8a6-bd22-46e4-a386-4a5ee3236b85/iframe?jwsource=cl

or not...

dunno how to get the link to work, but if you skip the vid in the original article, it's the next one that loads up

Thats the vid i saw. Just shows them already on the floor. Not what lead up to it.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


If you are talking about me Im not blaming black people and i resent you saying that. Im blaming customers who seem to think they are the only shoppers around and just giving a perspective on why and how the store could easily have thought the guy was pulling a 2 for 1 scam or stealing.

shockthemonkey posted...

Ah yes, the user who perpetually blames black people is blaming black people for police brutality

Hes just looking for the facts man he wants to be objective!!

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Hes just looking for the facts man he wants to be objective!!

lmao is there really anything wrong with points i have brought up?

toyota posted...

lmao is there really anything wrong with points i have brought up?

Yeah, the store employees still thought the TV was stolen even after the customer had verified they purchased it.

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CableZL posted...

customer had verified they purchased it.

Yeah they verified he purchased it....but was it really verified that it wasnt already taken with him and brought home already. That seems to be where all the drama is stemming from

If it was, I have no idea why it took so long to settle/verify or why there was so much drama surrounding it. I explained in an above post why a store could easily have though he stole it. I also said that I personally think he didnt steal it.

anti blackness is a mental disorder

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toyota posted...

Thats the vid i saw. Just shows them already on the floor. Not what lead up to it.

right, i'm saying skip that one, there's a 20 minute video of the raw cctv footage. if the site wasn't a pain in the ass full of ads, i'd try harder to direct link it

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toyota posted...

@Laserion

Yeah i was going by that information.

Sounds to me he did make the purchase, had the proof it was purchased at that store. But didnt have proof that he planned on leaving it there and was now there to pick it up. Or else it wouldnt have taken that long to prove it nor would there have been that much drama surrounding it that he was accused of stealing it and cops had to come in.

Sounds to me he just told a random employee he was leaving it there, that employee eventually goes home or goes on his break. Dude comes back and cant really prove that he had left a TV there. 'eventually managed to verify his purchase' seems like the original employee he left it with came back or was phonecalled to say 'yeah some dude left his tv there lol'

The thing is the incident wit the police didn't happen at that time. It happened after that, when they already left, and came back to return it, which means they already had the item outside and were bringing it back in. Is this like arresting black people for "robbing" a house because they are putting stuff in because they are moving into it?
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Laserion posted...

Is this like arresting black people for "robbing" a house because they are putting stuff in because they are moving into it?

toyota: Did they verify with the mortgage lender that they purchased the house? I just need to have all the information

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toyota posted...

Thats the vid i saw. Just shows them already on the floor. Not what lead up to it.

If you are talking about me Im not blaming black people and i resent you saying that. Im blaming customers who seem to think they are the only shoppers around and just giving a perspective on why and how the store could easily have thought the guy was pulling a 2 for 1 scam or stealing.

You say you are "not blaming black people", but do you acknowledge race often plays a part in assumptions about theft/robberies/etc? And thus all four arresting cops being white throws further suspicion on how much race might have played into this?

Itt having a different opinion is illegal, smh.
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seems really stupid on many accounts. first don't buy a tv that doesn't fit in your car. not victim blaming but the whole would have been avoided if they could have drove away. secondly how could anybody accuse them of stealing if they had just seen them buy it a few minutes prior. seems a really simple case of police asking for a receipt and problem solved. dumb dumb dumb on all accounts by everyone involved.

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Good lord are the people who defending this shit even reading what happen. They BROUGHT the fucking TV back that is where a damn near 70 yr old woman and her one were beat up by the fucking police, people people are always so fast to defend the police you don't even read the got damn story before you start doing it.

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Bluebomber182 posted...

addy would if he wasnt banned

addy as in admiral? That guy finally got banned?

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cjsdowg posted...

Good lord are the people who defending this shit even reading what happen. They BROUGHT the fucking TV back that is where a damn near 70 yr old woman and her one were beat up by the fucking police, people people are always so fast to defend the police you don't even read the got damn story before you start doing it.

Yeah I was a little confused at first too, but them not being able to fit the tv and being accused of stealing, and then bringing the tv back and being beaten and accused of stealing, are two separate incidents. The mom insisted they return the tv because she was pissed about the fist incident, and that's when the second incident happened.

I could see maybe defending the first as a simple misunderstanding, but the police were way out of line

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