Current Events > 75,000 Dead. Yay that the economy is back, I guess.

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AbysmalTrinity
05/06/20 7:30:22 PM
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right

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Squall28
05/06/20 7:30:45 PM
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It's not back.

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Axiom
05/06/20 7:31:50 PM
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Apparently the war on Obamacare is more important
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PickleRick2017
05/06/20 7:32:01 PM
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What are we going to do otherwise? Shut down everything for the rest of the year?
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AbysmalTrinity
05/06/20 7:32:39 PM
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PickleRick2017 posted...
What are we going to do otherwise? Shut down everything for the rest of the year?
So do you like dying?

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AbysmalTrinity
05/06/20 7:32:56 PM
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No one here is immune to it

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MabusIncarnate
05/06/20 7:35:09 PM
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I keep telling people to ask themselves this question. Do we let the economy suffer, some businesses close, be limited on some supplies, and one member of your family or one of your friends die, or do we open the flood gates, try to recover now, and 10 of your family members or friends die. Are you willing to make that human sacrifice to permit this nation to run again how it did before, or do we make some sacrifices as humans and save a lot of people's lives, people's families lives?

You just need to weigh it out, and determine how much you value human life over a healthy economy.

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PickleRick2017
05/06/20 7:35:23 PM
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AbysmalTrinity posted...
PickleRick2017 posted...
What are we going to do otherwise? Shut down everything for the rest of the year?
So do you like dying?

There is a middle ground...
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IfGodCouldDie
05/06/20 7:38:58 PM
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PickleRick2017 posted...
There is a middle ground...
Which is?

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PickleRick2017
05/06/20 7:39:55 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
PickleRick2017 posted...
There is a middle ground...
Which is?

Assuming I don't die
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DevsBro
05/06/20 7:39:59 PM
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AbysmalTrinity posted...
So do you like dying?
No, which is why we can't stay on lockdown for the rest of the year.

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Pepys Monster
05/06/20 7:40:36 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
I keep telling people to ask themselves this question. Do we let the economy suffer, some businesses close, be limited on some supplies, and one member of your family or one of your friends die, or do we open the flood gates, try to recover now, and 10 of your family members or friends die. Are you willing to make that human sacrifice to permit this nation to run again how it did before, or do we make some sacrifices as humans and save a lot of people's lives, people's families lives?

You just need to weigh it out, and determine how much you value human life over a healthy economy.
Keeping the country locked down until a vaccine comes out was never a real option.

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HBOSS
05/06/20 7:42:44 PM
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outbreak coming soon in a city near you?

economy though is coming back but people's life and health dont figure in that equation. we about the gdp & stocks all day every day.

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LightningAce11
05/06/20 7:43:03 PM
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American capitalism can't go a few weeks without people working?

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Bestoffuture
05/06/20 7:43:34 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Keeping the country locked down until a vaccine comes out was never a real option.

The lockdown was never meant to last until the vaccine comes out. It's to prevent the hospitals not be overwhelmed with covid patients.

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MabusIncarnate
05/06/20 7:43:36 PM
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If we figure out a middle ground, humans are too stupid and selfish to impose the limitations on themselves. People want to riot and protest because they have to wear a mask for fucks sake. People will ruin a plan. It needs to be enforced through and through, or it will go no where. Those few morons will spread it like wildfire. Humans can't be trusted to follow instructions. That's why we can't gradually begin to reopen right now. There has to be progress first.

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DevsBro
05/06/20 7:43:46 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
American capitalism can't go a few weeks without people working?
Mid March through end of year is more than a few weeks.

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AbysmalTrinity
05/06/20 7:44:28 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Keeping the country locked down until a vaccine comes out was never a real option.
Neither is prematurely opening and having another additional 100,000 dead people.

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Blue_Inigo
05/06/20 7:45:06 PM
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Jesus Christ, we're gonna hit 100k before we even hit June aren't we?

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Pepys Monster
05/06/20 7:46:29 PM
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AbysmalTrinity posted...
Neither is prematurely opening and having another additional 100,000 dead people.
If never locking down in the first place was an option, which it was (Sweden did this), then prematurely opening is certainly an option.

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MabusIncarnate
05/06/20 7:46:30 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Keeping the country locked down until a vaccine comes out was never a real option.
I agree with you, it could be years. I'm more just saying states reopening right now regardless of the increased cases is stupid. No one really has an answer yet. That's why there are no answers. I don't even have a clue where to go from here, but I do know I want myself and my family as safe as possible.

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HagenEx
05/06/20 7:46:36 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Jesus Christ, we're gonna hit 100k before we even hit June aren't we?

A bunch of people were predicting millions in the first couple of Covid-19 topics on CE.

So I guess that's not too shabby.

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hyperpowder
05/06/20 7:46:39 PM
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People who cry for the amount dead can give no ideas as to what to do.

It's always "hurr dur shut down everything for a year!!!" or some other irrational and unreasonable response.

How about people take accountability and not be gross with their hygiene? How about limit what the elderly can do since they're the ones dying the most from it, impact the economy less, and are the ones most stubborn to social distance ( 90 percent of the people i experience that have no mask, want to enter the store, or shake your hand have been the elderly)


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Antifar
05/06/20 7:46:46 PM
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Reopening the economy won't save it. You'll have workers out sick and customers avoiding crowds. Mass unemployment without the bolstered unemployment benefits.
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Rika_Furude
05/06/20 7:48:44 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
People who cry for the amount dead can give no ideas as to what to do.

It's always "hurr dur shut down everything for a year!!!" or some other irrational and unreasonable response.

How about people take accountability and not be gross with their hygiene? How about limit what the elderly can do since they're the ones dying the most from it, impact the economy less, and are the ones most stubborn to social distance ( 90 percent of the people i experience that have no mask, want to enter the store, or shake your hand have been the elderly)
Why not implement a better economic system and more "SoCiAlIsT" policies so that the country can survive a scenario such as what is happening right now? You people brought it on yourself and you cant even shutdown correctly

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DarthAragorn
05/06/20 7:49:44 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
If never locking down in the first place was an option, which it was (Sweden did this), then prematurely opening is certainly an option.
pointing out Sweden would be a great move if you're ignorant of the fact that they handled it even worse than the US
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Pepys Monster
05/06/20 7:50:39 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
pointing out Sweden would be a great move if you're ignorant of the fact that they handled it even worse than the US
That's your opinion, not a fact.

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PickleRick2017
05/06/20 7:50:49 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
If never locking down in the first place was an option, which it was (Sweden did this), then prematurely opening is certainly an option.
pointing out Sweden would be a great move if you're ignorant of the fact that they handled it even worse than the US

Many people praise them for the approach they took.
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F1areaGaman
05/06/20 7:51:01 PM
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You either restore society at some point, or you don't.

It doesn't really matter when, so why not in the warmest months of the year, where the virus has a harder time spreading and people are (typically) at their healthiest?

I mean I just don't understand what this lock-down is actually accomplishing. MOST hospitals in the US are literally laying off nurses...and then when the lock down ends or even starts to end, the healthcare system will be completely overwhelmed anyway with months worth of back-up appointments. And the longer the lock-down continues, the longer it takes the healthcare system to catch-up.

And it's not even a real lockdown in most parts of the world. I was literally standing in line at a Subway today with four people in line and two employees. Walmart was packed today too. Is this really a lockdown? Sure seems like the giant corps get to be open but not the mom and pop.


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hyperpowder
05/06/20 7:52:37 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Why not implement a better economic system and more "SoCiAlIsT" policies so that the country can survive a scenario such as what is happening right now? You people brought it on yourself and you cant even shutdown correctly

If I get Corona the only person I have to blame is myself.

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DarthAragorn
05/06/20 7:55:29 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
That's your opinion, not a fact.

TIL data is an opinion
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Antifar
05/06/20 7:56:04 PM
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F1areaGaman posted...
It doesn't really matter when

It does, though! Ideally you'd want active cases to be limited, or a test and trace system in place; neither is true of the US right now.
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IShall_Run_Amok
05/06/20 7:57:41 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
American capitalism can't go a few weeks without people working?
More like "American capitalism shrieks at the mere thought of responsible behavior". Capitalism would be fine if it were a logical entity; it would realize it had to compromise with its work force to keep them...well, alive and not wanting to righteously murder it, if they want to still exist after the deadly disease passes, and even to ensure it does pass. But capitalism isn't logical. Its run by a bunch of useless old leeches, charismatic dullards, out of touch sycophants and violent pederasts. When the money machine stops going brrr and disaster approaches, said job creators lose their handful of marbles, turn all red, and void their bowels in their silk panties in unmitigated, entitled rage, separating themselves from the rest of humanity and demanding propriety.

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Turtlemayor333
05/06/20 7:58:05 PM
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Every state that has opened so far has no real plan. They might call it a phased plan but it's not. They are opening up massive swaths of society way all at once without even giving it enough time to look at the data and see what the effect will be. It's nonsense like this.

April 30th: Small businesses and retailers
May 1st: Barbershops, tattoo places, restaurants
May 4th: Movie theaters, bowling alleys

Nobody can actually defend this either, which is why they jump straight to: "U can't stay closed 5ever!!!"

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Ludwig Von 2
05/06/20 7:58:22 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
If we figure out a middle ground, humans are too stupid and selfish to impose the limitations on themselves. People want to riot and protest because they have to wear a mask for fucks sake. People will ruin a plan. It needs to be enforced through and through, or it will go no where. Those few morons will spread it like wildfire. Humans can't be trusted to follow instructions. That's why we can't gradually begin to reopen right now. There has to be progress first.

@MabusIncarnate
how can there be progress? Wearing is optional so you will never get everyone to wear them.

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Butterfiles
05/06/20 7:58:55 PM
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The government could also provide additional stimulus, rent/mortgage cancelations, and supports for small businesses to help "the economy" but you know the reopener people don't care about any of that

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Ooooooranges
05/06/20 7:59:17 PM
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PickleRick2017 posted...
Many people praise them for the approach they took.

That's nice. They have a higher death rate per population than the States by a decent bit.

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Benify
05/06/20 7:59:34 PM
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It's every man for themselves unfortunately.

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IronWolf87
05/06/20 8:02:06 PM
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It's weird how when it comes to healthcare systems you can't compare the US to Sweden, but Sweden's response to covid would totally work for the US.
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Ludwig Von 2
05/06/20 8:02:11 PM
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Butterfiles posted...
The government could also provide additional stimulus, rent/mortgage cancelations, and supports for small businesses to help "the economy" but you know the reopener people don't care about any of that

@Butterfiles
thats a good start but if I can add providing groceries via a delivery service system and free utilities.

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MabusIncarnate
05/06/20 8:02:30 PM
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Ludwig Von 2 posted...
@MabusIncarnate
how can there be progress? Wearing is optional so you will never get everyone to wear them.
Make it not optional is my first thought, require businesses to not permit anyone to enter without wearing one. If they take it off, have them removed.

But then you consider mask availability, would these facilities have to provide masks? Would the public have to pay for them? Is there enough to go around?

With every potential solution toward progressing to be safer in public, there's an obstacle.

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Doom_Art
05/06/20 8:04:27 PM
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Throw yourself onto the fire for the glorious DOW!

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F1areaGaman
05/06/20 8:04:55 PM
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Antifar posted...
It does, though! Ideally you'd want active cases to be limited, or a test and trace system in place; neither is true of the US right now.

So a better idea would be wait until we have minimal cases in October and then open up? When the flu and cold are sending panicking citizens to the hospitals thinking they have COVID 19? Just like all the people that flooded hospitals when this first began because of allergies?

No, for one, test and trace, useful as it could be won't EVER happen on a massive scale. It's expensive, would require new laws about the government's influence on the private affairs on citizens AND people would riot. You could make a case for cases being limited right now, and Ideally health care facilities would test and trace themselves as not to infect those most vulnerable (nursing homes or people who rely on healthcare)

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F1areaGaman
05/06/20 8:06:33 PM
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Ooooooranges posted...
That's nice. They have a higher death rate per population than the States by a decent bit.

If you look at populations affected per State this isn't really the case though, our worst is worse and our best counties have 0 - 10 cases.

Also Sweden is like 12th in the world in elderly population.

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CM_Ponch
05/06/20 8:10:11 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
If I get Corona the only person I have to blame is myself.
You're an idiot

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hyperpowder
05/06/20 8:11:51 PM
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CM_Ponch posted...
You're an idiot

Because I'm self accountable? Right kid...

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NinjaWarrior455
05/06/20 8:12:22 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
If I get Corona the only person I have to blame is myself.
Guess all the doctors and nurses that caught the virus have no one but themselves to blame, right?

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gamer167
05/06/20 8:13:39 PM
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How about the old, obese, and people with underlying health conditions stay quarantined but everyone else at a low risk slowly try to get things back to normal?

Covid is here to stay boys.

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hyperpowder
05/06/20 8:14:45 PM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Guess all the doctors and nurses that caught the virus have no one but themselves to blame, right?

I'm pretty sure being a nurse is voluntary and not mandated by the government.

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05/06/20 8:15:31 PM
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