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Cocytus
05/06/20 11:49:21 AM
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Like a rtx 2080 ti
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R1masher
05/06/20 11:50:27 AM
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Is it? If it was it wouldnt matter then

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 11:50:29 AM
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If you're trying to get high 4k FPS no

If you're trying to do 1440p or 1080 then get a 2070 Super or 5700 XT
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SpicyFishRaman
05/06/20 11:50:45 AM
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No, its a good investment
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rexcrk
05/06/20 11:53:41 AM
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PC gaming is so cheap!

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thronedfire2
05/06/20 11:54:29 AM
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rexcrk posted...
PC gaming is so cheap!

that video card will probably last two console generations

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FabIemaster
05/06/20 11:55:41 AM
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Wait until later this year when NVIDIA releases their new cards.

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I Like Toast
05/06/20 11:56:37 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...


that video card will probably last two console generations

if you're spending 1300 on a video card, you aren't keeping it for two console generations because you want the latest and greatest at it's best. So it will last you about 2 years you'll sell it for half the price used and buy the next latest and greatest.

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 11:56:58 AM
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rexcrk posted...
PC gaming is so cheap!

The 2080 Ti is an elite piece of hardware that most people probably don't need at this point. Like I said unless you're trying to do 4k at an insane FPS it's overkill for your system.

A 2070 Super or an AMD 5700 XT will give you jaw dropping visuals on the latest and greatest AAA games at 1440 or 1080 and they run for about the cost of a PS4 and Xbox One
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justaguy3492
05/06/20 12:00:46 PM
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What games out there would even need this? Most of the popular games try to cast a wide net with less than top tier graphics.

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Cheese_Crackers
05/06/20 12:02:50 PM
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The highest end video cards always have a terrible dollar/performance ratio. If you can comfortably afford it, then fine, but something in the 2070 range is more worth your money.

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Cheese_Crackers
05/06/20 12:04:42 PM
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rexcrk posted...
PC gaming is so cheap!
This is a terrible metric for the price of PC gaming. If you want a PC with comparable power to a current console, you can spend many times less than you would on the absolute cutting edge video card.

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Mezcla
05/06/20 12:05:23 PM
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definitely crazy, considering you'd then be looking at 500+ dollars for a CPU and motherboard to match it...

i dunno. i get why they exist. there are some users who can get some use out of it, especially in professional spaces.

but ill never

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 12:08:11 PM
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Cheese_Crackers posted...
This is a terrible metric for the price of PC gaming. If you want a PC with comparable power to a current console, you can spend many times less than you would on the absolute cutting edge video card.

A 2070 Super/AMD 5700 XT and a Ryzen 3700x will outperform a PS4 Pro and Xbox One X right now by a large margin. So that's about $600-$800 essentially for PS5 or Series X power out of the box right now. That combo should be good to go for a few years on the most elite AAA games and you can put back $300 or so a year and then upgrade.
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AsucaHayashi
05/06/20 12:08:45 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
What games out there would even need this? Most of the popular games try to cast a wide net with less than top tier graphics.
no game "needs it" just like you don't need a 100k car to go from a to b.

but if you want to drive fast or go 0-60 in like 4 seconds with an engine that's barely audible then yeah.

same applies to PC gaming.

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Questionmarktarius
05/06/20 12:13:39 PM
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I wonder what the overlap is between "$2000 ultra badass mega 8k 240fps GPU, plebs!" boast-posts, and "FOV is broken!" piracy-trap posts.
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Cocytus
05/06/20 1:56:52 PM
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Mezcla posted...
definitely crazy, considering you'd then be looking at 500+ dollars for a CPU and motherboard to match it...

i dunno. i get why they exist. there are some users who can get some use out of it, especially in professional spaces.

but ill never
Well let's presume you have everything already and you're just upgrading the card...
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DevsBro
05/06/20 1:57:52 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
that video card will probably last two console generations
It costs as much as three or four consoles though. And is one part.

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 1:59:49 PM
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DevsBro posted...
It costs as much as three or four consoles though. And is one part.

Computers aren't consoles tho

You can do a lot more on them

Plus in the gaming world PCs are 10000x the machines that something like a PS4 is. I can run emus with the actual OEM controllers over USB with no noticeable lag.
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DevsBro
05/06/20 2:04:54 PM
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cmiller4642 posted...
Computers aren't consoles tho

You can do a lot more on them

Plus in the gaming world PCs are 10000x the machines that something like a PS4 is. I can run emus with the actual OEM controllers over USB with no noticeable lag.
Which makes them affordable gaming machines?

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Questionmarktarius
05/06/20 2:08:10 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Which makes them affordable gaming machines?
Here's a hint:

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fan357
05/06/20 2:08:30 PM
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I got a 2080ti and an i9 9900 last year. No regrets baby. Ill probably skip the next two gens. We will see.

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DevsBro
05/06/20 2:14:32 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Here's a hint:
Even so, you gotta play a pretty good many brand spankins to break even on well over $1000 difference.

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AzurexNightmare
05/06/20 2:16:31 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
that video card will probably last two console generations
Yeah, no.

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SkittyOnWailord
05/06/20 2:17:41 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
if you're spending 1300 on a video card, you aren't keeping it for two console generations because you want the latest and greatest at it's best. So it will last you about 2 years you'll sell it for half the price used and buy the next latest and greatest.

I went from SLI 980 Ti's to a 2080 Ti. That's a little more than 2 years. :p

And *its

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I Like Toast
05/06/20 2:20:21 PM
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cmiller4642 posted...


You can do a lot more on them

that 98% of which can be done on a $100 used chromebook

I don't get why pc gamers are so unwilling to go, "yeah, it's an expensive hobby but it's worthy it". There' so obsessed with showing how 'cheap' it is, when it's never the build they pickout for themselves just some hypothetical you totally could do as long as you ignored all the reasons to get into pc gaming.

i just spent $1k building a new pc with everything but graphics card (have a 1060 which is fine and i'll wait for the new cards with dedicated ray tracing to match consoles). I also have a PS4 and an X1 and bought a switch after christmas. Gaming is my hobby, like many hobbies it eats money. When cash free's up i'm tempted to buy a dedicated PC for sim racing and get an actual solid rig and dive into direct drive wheels, another expensive hobby. Because right now i have a mobile rig i can move between my ps4 and pc, but that means i have wires everywhere since i can't tuck them away and keep it in a static place.

If you're buying 'budget' pcs for $500-800, you're going to be in the same place as consoles and needing to upgrade every few years. If you splurge on $1200-1600 pc you can upgrade components and spread out the cost of upgrading (or accept lower and lower graphic settings, which some people are okay with and others aren't).

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AzurexNightmare
05/06/20 2:20:57 PM
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cmiller4642 posted...
A 2070 Super/AMD 5700 XT and a Ryzen 3700x will outperform a PS4 Pro and Xbox One X right now by a large margin. So that's about $600-$800 essentially for PS5 or Series X power out of the box right now. That combo should be good to go for a few years on the most elite AAA games and you can put back $300 or so a year and then upgrade.

Why would I spend 600-800 dollars on something with the same power as a PS5 or Xbox Series X? If I was an Xbox fan I could see it make sense since you can apparently play Xbox on PC now. So that's great but I don't play Xbox.

PS5 is likely cheaper than that (especially the 800), my friends and family will have PS5, and I already have a PC that can't game but does absolutely everything else I need.

If I was gonna spend on a PC I'd get the most powerful available. Which is expensive but worth it. But getting a PC that's just as powerful as a console? At that point a console is way more streamlined and you'll have your friends and family on it.

The whole point of a PC for me is to get it to do things that a console can not (far outperforming it with the best tech if you have it.) And to me the best things a PC can do (business, communication) are available on the PC I already have.

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 2:21:14 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Which makes them affordable gaming machines?

It depends on what you want out of your games. The beauty of PC is that you can go expensive or you can go cheaper depending on what performance you want.

I'm good with 1080p ultra and 1440p so I didn't need to get a 2080 Ti, but if someone wants to squeeze the absolute best out of their system and wants to get a 240 hz 4K monitor then that option exists for the consumer.

You're not locked into what Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft thinks your settings should be.

I'm not shitting on consoles, I have a PS4 right next to my PC, but if you're a hardcore gamer that spends 10+ hours in sessions then the PC is the best way to game in 2020.

IMO if you want the ultimate gaming experience you should get a PC for the AAA western developed games, a PS4 (and eventually a PS5) for the AAA Japanese developed games and Sony's 1st party, and a Nintendo Switch for Nintendo's offerings.

PC is basically Xbox on super steroids with more games.
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Questionmarktarius
05/06/20 2:22:10 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
as long as you ignored all the reasons to get into pc gaming
"nude mods" require a beefy GPU?
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I Like Toast
05/06/20 2:23:04 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
"nude mods" require a beefy GPU?
i need individual pubic hair physics or boner = goner

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 2:23:12 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
that 98% of which can be done on a $100 used chromebook

I don't get why pc gamers are so unwilling to go, "yeah, it's an expensive hobby but it's worthy it". There' so obsessed with showing how 'cheap' it is, when it's never the build they pickout for themselves just some hypothetical you totally could do as long as you ignored all the reasons to get into pc gaming.

i just spent $1k building a new pc with everything but graphics card (have a 1060 which is fine and i'll wait for the new cards with dedicated ray tracing to match consoles). I also have a PS4 and an X1 and bought a switch after christmas. Gaming is my hobby, like many hobbies it eats money. When cash free's up i'm tempted to buy a dedicated PC for sim racing and get an actual solid rig and dive into direct drive wheels, another expensive hobby. Because right now i have a mobile rig i can move between my ps4 and pc, but that means i have wires everywhere since i can't tuck them away and keep it in a static place.

If you're buying 'budget' pcs for $500-800, you're going to be in the same place as consoles and needing to upgrade every few years. If you splurge on $1200-1600 pc you can upgrade components and spread out the cost of upgrading (or accept lower and lower graphic settings, which some people are okay with and others aren't).

PC is absolutely expensive if you're wanting to get performance, I just think the expense is worth it.

I don't understand $600 budget builds either. Get a $2000 build to start off with then piece it together as you want to play more games.

The initial investment is what scares a lot of people away, but after that you can pick and choose what you want as you go. Upgrade your monitor in June, upgrade your GPU in November, etc...
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hyperpowder
05/06/20 2:23:52 PM
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Fucking gross

This is the reason I stopped gaming on PC. It's a fucking money pit.

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DevsBro
05/06/20 2:24:28 PM
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cmiller4642 posted...
It depends on what you want out of your games. The beauty of PC is that you can go expensive or you can go cheaper depending on what performance you want.

I'm good with 1080p ultra and 1440p so I didn't need to get a 2080 Ti, but if someone wants to squeeze the absolute best out of their system and wants to get a 240 hz 4K monitor then that option exists for the consumer.

You're not locked into what Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft thinks your settings should be.

I'm not shitting on consoles, I have a PS4 right next to my PC, but if you're a hardcore gamer that spends 10+ hours in sessions then the PC is the best way to game in 2020.

IMO if you want the ultimate gaming experience you should get a PC for the AAA western developed games, a PS4 (and eventually a PS5) for the AAA Japanese developed games and Sony's 1st party, and a Nintendo Switch for Nintendo's offerings.

PC is basically Xbox on super steroids with more games.
See now you're starting to make sense.

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Questionmarktarius
05/06/20 2:26:46 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
i need individual pubic hair physics or boner = goner
Alright, now you're just being elitist.
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lilJoe457
05/06/20 2:27:41 PM
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I have a nvida 1070 that I got like 2 or 3 years ago. And idk most of my games can play 4k at 60 fps. Like I can run doom eternal Max settings no problem. Resident evil 2 and 3, I could get 2 to play 60 fps 4k but not max settings. 3 I could do the same but the settings would have to be even lower.

It's the large large games like assassin's Creed or GTA that I can't 4k 60 fps. So since I prefer performance I put assassin's Creed at 1440. I haven't tried with GTA but I don't do anything in that game anymore but gamble online. Lol

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Pepys Monster
05/06/20 2:27:51 PM
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It's funny how console gamers always shoot back with "But consoles are more affordable!" How does that matter if you aren't poor? You're getting more performance for more money. You aren't just paying more money for the same performance.

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onedarksoul
05/06/20 2:28:12 PM
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cmiller4642 posted...
A 2070 Super or an AMD 5700 XT will give you jaw dropping visuals on the latest and greatest AAA games at 1440 or 1080 and they run for about the cost of a PS4 and Xbox One
a 2070 super is $500 and up

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 2:31:35 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
It's funny how console gamers always shoot back with "But consoles are more affordable!" How does that matter if you aren't poor? You're getting more performance for more money. You aren't just paying more money for the same performance.

Consoles are simplistic gaming on the cheap. You get the across the board settings that everyone else has, the games are spec'd to them, and it's a fun time if you're just wanting to do a few missions in GTA 5 or something.

PCs are what I consider to be machines for the hardcore gamer. Someone who invests thousands of dollars to make sure they have access on day 1 to the most AAA of the AAA titles. I don't understand why people shit on either one. I have a gaming PC and I'll get a PS5 when the best 1st party games Sony has start to drop. I'll upgrade my GPU when it starts to not give me the performance I want.

The nice thing is your upgrades are spread out over a long period of time. Get your PS5 in November this year, get your new GPU in April next year. You can set a goal and set aside money.
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Axiom
05/06/20 2:32:01 PM
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It is right now since 3080 will be coming soon
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Slaya4
05/06/20 2:32:20 PM
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I'm actually pretty glad I dropped some money on a PC. Games are cheaper, most of everything is free on the internet and if I choose to I can hook up any controller to it. I have the freedom to literally do anything I want with it.

The upfront cost of PC is a lot higher, but they are way more versatile. Gaming on it is a lot more enjoyable than a dedicated system has been for me. It took some getting used to, but the keyboard + mouse combo is great.

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 2:46:41 PM
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Slaya4 posted...
I'm actually pretty glad I dropped some money on a PC. Games are cheaper, most of everything is free on the internet and if I choose to I can hook up any controller to it. I have the freedom to literally do anything I want with it.

The upfront cost of PC is a lot higher, but they are way more versatile. Gaming on it is a lot more enjoyable than a dedicated system has been for me. It took some getting used to, but the keyboard + mouse combo is great.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both formats

Consoles:

Advantages:

  1. Cheaper entry cost
  2. Games are all spec'd to run the same for the most part
  3. Hardware is guaranteed to run software for said console until next console comes out
  4. Physical games exist so if you're on ISP data cap you don't have to download RDR2 you can just go into Walmart or Gamestop and buy the disc
  5. Plug and play right into the TV with no additional hardware required
Disadvantages:

  1. Performance isn't as good as PC
  2. HDD space and upgradability is limited. If you're on PS4 prepare to delete games over and over again
  3. Updates are annoying and frequent
  4. Games are more expensive
  5. Limited backwards compatibility
PC

Advantages:

  1. Performance is much better than consoles
  2. Input choice for keyboard and mouse or any controller you want
  3. Robust backwards compatibility. You can literally play any game from the Atari 2600 to the Resident Evil 3 Remake and in between right now
  4. A PC is a more versatile machine and can handle other processes that you may want to do like video and photo editing
  5. PCs tend to have cheaper games due to Steam and Humble Bundle sales. While consoles have these as well, PCs have much better sales because there's no physical media cost.
Disadvantages:

  1. Performance is expensive. PCs can easily cost 3-4x what a console costs, especially in the initial buying phase
  2. Most software is downloaded directly so you're at the mercy of your ISP speed and data caps
  3. Incompatibilities can exist as hardware starts to age. You're not guaranteed to be able to play a game on Steam in 2 years if you can play it right now. Also the performance will degrade over time as new games come out whereas they'll always be spec'd out for the console you buy
  4. PCs can be much more complicated on the user experience side. You can't just drop a disk in and have it boot immediately. While Steam mitigates a lot of this, sometimes you have to download games from different launchers like Origin and they don't want to play nice, and your drivers need to be updated.
  5. PCs tend to have to be tweaked a lot more than consoles do. Your GPU has to have its fan speed set, voltage adjusted, etc... to avoid overheating for example. Get really comfortable with monitoring your T Junction temperature in the software.
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AsucaHayashi
05/06/20 2:49:54 PM
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Slaya4 posted...
I'm actually pretty glad I dropped some money on a PC. Games are cheaper, most of everything is free on the internet and if I choose to I can hook up any controller to it. I have the freedom to literally do anything I want with it.

The upfront cost of PC is a lot higher, but they are way more versatile. Gaming on it is a lot more enjoyable than a dedicated system has been for me. It took some getting used to, but the keyboard + mouse combo is great.

all of this.

foregoing all of this just because you're not getting a higher end PC has to be the worst take ever xd.

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 2:56:41 PM
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I almost forgot that size can be a disadvantage for PCs as well. You have to be on liquid with huge fans to keep your components cool. The big ass pretty box isn't just for show.
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Cocytus
05/06/20 3:07:54 PM
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Slaya4 posted...
I'm actually pretty glad I dropped some money on a PC. Games are cheaper, most of everything is free on the internet and if I choose to I can hook up any controller to it. I have the freedom to literally do anything I want with it.

The upfront cost of PC is a lot higher, but they are way more versatile. Gaming on it is a lot more enjoyable than a dedicated system has been for me. It took some getting used to, but the keyboard + mouse combo is great.
You miss out on some big exclusives though.
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CreepySmile
05/06/20 3:08:49 PM
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I'm planning on getting a new GPU each year tbh, replace my 2080 with the new 3080 to keep 1080 at ultra settings

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cmiller4642
05/06/20 3:13:40 PM
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CreepySmile posted...
I'm planning on getting a new GPU each year tbh, replace my 2080 with the new 3080 to keep 1080 at ultra settings

That's a hefty investment but if you have the money do it up.

I think the 2080 will hold up on 1080 ultra for a few years no problem. Especially with COVID going on right now.
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CreepySmile
05/06/20 3:17:01 PM
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cmiller4642 posted...


That's a hefty investment but if you have the money do it up.

I think the 2080 will hold up on 1080 ultra for a few years no problem. Especially with COVID going on right now.
RDR2 sinks a bit bit below 60 in some parts

The only reason I'm doing it is because it's only about 1200 which I can easily avoid since I but back on drinking

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