Current Events > Religious exemptions for vaccinations need to end.

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Remember when there were measles outbreaks popping up literally last fucking year?!? Antivaxxers fought hard to keep their religious exemptions for vaccines.

Imagine what it will be like if we come up with a vaccine for Covid. Getting everyone a vaccine will become even more dire... we dont need conspiracy theorists throwing a wrench into things and screwing over immunocompromised people,

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At what point in any religious text does it say Thou shalt not vaccinate.?

Hell, Mississippi of all places has the highest vaccination rate in the country.

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I still struggle to understand how vaccination is a religious issue considering the practice didn't start until well after the various religious texts were written.

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Too bad we can't just un-invent the idea of organized religion.

Machete posted...

Too bad we can't just un-invent the idea of organized religion.

Im an atheist but I dont hate on religious people. This thread isnt for bashing religion, just for encouraging vaccination, especially to protect those who cant get a vaccine.

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Religious exemptions need to end period

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look at this moderator trying to moderate our lives.

jk I agree though everyone needs vaccines.

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I don't mind religion, but Evangelicals aren't Christian, they are conmen. The Christians themselves might still be Christian. You're not supposed to judge other Christians like that. Just the "spiritual leaders".

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Hexenherz posted...

look at this moderator trying to moderate our lives.

jk I agree though everyone needs vaccines.

In the real life, the ToU is called a system of laws

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Uh, no they dont.

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CreekCo posted...

Uh, no they dont.

a wild anti-vaxx appears!

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malenz posted...

a wild anti-vaxx appears!

I dont mind vaccines. But you dont get to tell me to do anything. You cant even use proper capitalization. How do you did you are qualified to comment on policies that could result in death?

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Yeah I agree. My family was never super religious growing up. However, because my mom believed vaccines = autism, she never allowed us to get any vaccinations and would cite religious reasons on forms

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Why is religion recognised in law to begin with?

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Harpie posted...

Yeah I agree. My family was never super religious growing up. However, because my mom believed vaccines = [snip], she never allowed us to get any vaccinations and would cite religious reasons on forms

did you go back and get some of the vaccinations later in life?

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Rika_Furude posted...

Why is religion recognised in law to begin with?

Why are you, as a person, recognized? Same theory. You cant pick and choose what you want to protect. Either protect everyone or lose all protections. Thats how it has worked throughout all human history and I dunno what makes current society think we are so smart or special snowflakes that things will go differently. History repeats itself.

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I'm a Christian and I'm getting a vaccine. No where in the bible said I can't. Plus humanity did something stupid I believe God can give wisdom to the science community to make a proper vaccine.

Honestly I think we should just take a gambit vaccinate people despite hy human trials going on. People are dying everyday

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CreekCo posted...

I dont mind vaccines. But you dont get to tell me to do anything. You cant even use proper capitalization. How do you did you are qualified to comment on policies that could result in death?

Not getting vaccinated can result in death, and not just your own or your children's.

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Me not getting a vaccination has nothing to do with my religion. If you die cause I didn't get vaccinated, then I guess you die

JimmyFraska posted...

Me not getting a vaccination has nothing to do with my religion. If you die cause I didn't get vaccinated, then I guess you die

yikes

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CreekCo posted...

Why are you, as a person, recognized? Same theory. You cant pick and choose what you want to protect. Either protect everyone or lose all protections. Thats how it has worked throughout all human history and I dunno what makes current society think we are so smart or special snowflakes that things will go differently. History repeats itself.

People are more important than religion

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Rika_Furude posted...

People are more important than religion

I want you to think about this statement for a while, Rika. I know what you meant, but imagine a bad person in political office took that line of reasoning to its extreme (like in commie countries). Theres a reason we protect freedoms here.

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You're right. A lack of vaccines did cause this. But you know what else caused it? Open fucking borders. Letting people in from the third world who are not vaccinated and who do not have the health standards of the first world. Sanctuary cities like NY and LA and other big liberal hot spots, who have a crippling homeless crisis helped cause this. Seriously, CA has poop patrols, the homeless and immigrant problem is so out of control.

Anti-vaxxers rightly noted, that the lack of vaccines was not the inherent issue here.

Close the borders was the proper solution.

CreekCo posted...

I want you to think about this statement for a while, Rika. I know what you meant, but imagine a bad person in political office took that line of reasoning to its extreme (like in commie countries). Theres a reason we protect freedoms here.

Everything has to be looked at in context. There should be no "one size fits all" methodology. Its everyones right to practice religion. Its nobodies right to endanger others health.

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kayoticdreamz posted...

You're right. A lack of vaccines did cause this. But you know what else caused it? Open fucking borders. Letting people in from the third world who are not vaccinated and who do not have the health standards of the first world. Sanctuary cities like NY and LA and other big liberal hot spots, who have a crippling homeless crisis helped cause this. Seriously, CA has poop patrols, the homeless and immigrant problem is so out of control.

Anti-vaxxers rightly noted, that the lack of vaccines was not the inherent issue here.

Close the borders was the proper solution.

Illegal immigrants caused the virus to spread through America? Do you have a single fact to back that up? Also surprised to find out America has open borders let alone 3+ years into the Trump administration.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Illegal immigrants caused the virus to spread through America? Do you have a single fact to back that up? Also surprised to find out America has open borders let alone 3+ years into the Trump administration.

Have you actually done any research into the caravans that were trying to spread diseases here? Did you know Mexico understands this and has a border on its southern boundaries? International travelers spread this crap all over by breaking quarantine. The major disease vectors were from China and Italy.

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Religious exemptions for anything need to end. I don't know why they get so many considerations.

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Eevee-Trainer posted...

I still struggle to understand how vaccination is a religious issue considering the practice didn't start until well after the various religious texts were written.

I don't think the Bible actually has a basis for anti-vax but I think it's wrong to think that "It didn't exist so it can't be a religious issue". Both the Bible and e.g. the Constitution are supposed to be applicable to things that come later.

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CreekCo posted...

Have you actually done any research into the caravans that were trying to spread diseases here? Did you know Mexico understands this and has a border on its southern boundaries? International travelers spread this crap all over by breaking quarantine. The major disease vectors were from China and Italy.

Ah, yes the caravans that start travelling from the south whenever Trump needs a boost. Those caravans that Mexico hates but apparently lets through? Totally full of American tourists and Chinese and Italian immigrants. And everyone knows Italy has third-world hygiene.

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Agreed

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hockeybub89 posted...

Ah, yes the caravans that start travelling from the south whenever Trump needs a boost. Those caravans that Mexico hates but apparently lets through? Totally full of American tourists and Chinese and Italian immigrants. And everyone knows Italy has third-world hygiene.

You dont actually care about the truth, do you?

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FL81 posted...

At what point in any religious text does it say Thou shalt not vaccinate.?

Hell, Mississippi of all places has the highest vaccination rate in the country.

Something about hating science?

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FL81 posted...

At what point in any religious text does it say Thou shalt not vaccinate.?

Hell, Mississippi of all places has the highest vaccination rate in the country.

There's a thing in Leviticus that says "thou shall not pricketh the skin" somewhere between selling your daughter into slavery and how eating shrimp sends you straight to hell.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

"thou shall not pricketh the skin"

what do you wanna bet that's about mutilation or tattooing or drug use?

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I'm pro vaccine and not religious in the slightest, but would taking away this exemption from the people not just set a precedent to take other things from them?

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malenz posted...

what do you wanna bet that's about mutilation or tattooing or drug use?

Doesn't really matter what it's actually about. I've never been able to successfully sway anyone's minds that the part in Leviticus about homosexuality is actually about pederasty (which it is). People will just conveniently assert it means whatever they want it to mean to justify their idiocy.

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MrResetti posted...

I'm pro vaccine and not religious in the slightest, but would taking away this exemption from the people not just set a precedent to take other things from them?

BINGO

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Highly disagree with TC. Forcing something on someone that goes against their religious beliefs is totally wrong. So what else would they be forced to do that was against their beliefs?

MrResetti posted...

I'm pro vaccine and not religious in the slightest, but would taking away this exemption from the people not just set a precedent to take other things from them?

You're not free to get other people sick from preventable diseases.

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CreekCo posted...

I dont mind vaccines. But you dont get to tell me to do anything. You cant even use proper capitalization. How do you did you are qualified to comment on policies that could result in death?

I would say making sense is more important than capitalization.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I would say making sense is more important than capitalization.

Thats cute

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malenz posted...

what do you wanna bet that's about mutilation or tattooing or drug use?

I sincerely doubt they had intravenous drug use at the time of the bible.

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MrResetti posted...

I'm pro vaccine and not religious in the slightest, but would taking away this exemption from the people not just set a precedent to take other things from them?

I mean the question is which laws are you willing to let people break in the name of religious freedom?

Like if someone said "My religion doesn't support paying income tax", would you be okay with not collecting from them?

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CreekCo posted...

Thats cute

See, keep it simple and you'll make sense.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I sincerely doubt they had intravenous drug use at the time of the bible.

well the other two at least

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MrResetti posted...

I'm pro vaccine and not religious in the slightest, but would taking away this exemption from the people not just set a precedent to take other things from them?

Like what? Other religous exemptions? That would be excellent

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Anteaterking posted...

I mean the question is which laws are you willing to let people break in the name of religious freedom?

Like if someone said "My religion doesn't support paying income tax", would you be okay with not collecting from them?

This is not theoretical, btw. Just individuals aren't getting away with it. The churches / other organizations are saying they don't have to pay any taxes while also donating to political candidates.

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No never

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is not theoretical, btw. Just individuals aren't getting away with it. The churches / other organizations are saying they don't have to pay any taxes while also donating to political candidates.

Yeah I mostly mean at the individual level.

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