Current Events > Weekly jobless claims hit 4 million, 5 week total is 26 million...

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/weekly-jobless-claims.html

Rough shit.

Hopefully the shutdown won't last much longer.

hopefully it lasts as long as it needs to

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Think we need to go hard quarantine at this point. Our quarantine is sucking ass, and the virus is still spreading like wildfire.

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at what point does public health concern shift from contracting the virus to poverty leading to death by starvation/suicide/domestic violence. Because one issue far outweighs the other...and it's not the one on the news everyday.

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Squall28 posted...

Think we need to go hard quarantine at this point. Our quarantine is sucking ass, and the virus is still spreading like wildfire.

RED LINE MUST GO UP. Sacrifice your sickly and elderly to make it happen.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

RED LINE MUST GO UP. Sacrifice your sickly and elderly to make it happen.

ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY DOW

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PCgamingIS_Best posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/weekly-jobless-claims.html

Rough shit.

Hopefully the shutdown won't last much longer.

The shutdowns need to be in place for months still and states without lockdowns are being idiotic by not implementing them.(btw, these states are experiencing huge spikes)

As for financial issues, the government should be paying every citizen a monthly stimulus during the pamdemic, just like they are doing in other nations. Our government is just selfish and incompetent.

EvalAngell posted...

at what point does public health concern shift from contracting the virus to poverty leading to death by starvation/suicide/domestic violence. Because one issue far outweighs the other...and it's not the one on the news everyday.

Health always goes first and the lockdowns need to be in place. The government should be paying every citizen a monthly stimulus during the pamdemic, just like they are doing in other nations. We have the money to do it. Our government is just selfish and incompetent.

EvalAngell posted...

at what point does public health concern shift from contracting the virus to poverty leading to death by starvation/suicide/domestic violence. Because one issue far outweighs the other...and it's not the one on the news everyday.

We can meet people's financial needs. We can't meet the medical needs of an unleashed pandemic.
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Daphneries39 posted...

The shutdowns need to be in place for months still

this is completely unsustainable and a ridiculous proposal when half the cases are in the NY metro area. You cannot punish the rest of the country and places like South Dakota with a measly 6 cases and have the entire state shutdown. It is insanity.

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Doom_Art posted...

hopefully it lasts as long as it needs to

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Antifar posted...

We can meet people's financial needs. We can't meet the medical needs of an unleashed pandemic.

what are you talking about? hospitals around the country are furloughing nurses and medical staff because there is NO WORK. The curve has been demolished everywhere outside of NY/NJ. And even in NYC they recalled the hospital ship because barely anyone was on board. The medical needs have been met and THEN some.

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EvalAngell posted...

You cannot punish the rest of the country and places like South Dakota with a measly 6 cases and have the entire state shutdown.

There are places with few cases, SD was a poor choice of example. The biggest cluster in the country is at a pork plant there

https://www.dispatch.com/business/20200416/smithfield-foods-in-south-dakota-now-biggest-us-coronavirus-cluster?template=ampart
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EvalAngell posted...

what are you talking about? hospitals around the country are furloughing nurses and medical staff because there is NO WORK. The curve has been demolished everywhere outside of NY/NJ. And even in NYC they recalled the hospital ship because barely anyone was on board. The medical needs have been met and THEN some.

Source?

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Doom_Art posted...

ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY DOW

https://i.imgur.com/TFRPSJ7.jpg

EvalAngell posted...

The medical needs have been met and THEN some.

That is a direct result of the lockdown you're calling for undoing. And even with those efforts, nearly 1 in 500 NYC residents have died.
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Regardless there are states out there with under 100 cases. There is no reason for them to lockdown.

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Feline_Heart posted...

Source?

It's moddable to post goatse on GameFAQs

EvalAngell posted...

this is completely unsustainable and a ridiculous proposal when half the cases are in the NY metro area. You cannot punish the rest of the country and places like South Dakota with a measly 6 cases and have the entire state shutdown. It is insanity.

All of your data is incorrect. New York's case numbers have significabtly decreased. They do not account for anywhere near 50% of the confirmed cases any longer. These rural states you are talking about are now experiencing widespread outbreaks. You don't see them as reflective in the numbers because those states do not have widespread testing. However, even just going by confirmed cases, these states are experiencing huge spikes right now. And as New York's numbers continue to go down, the numbers in these states will continue to go up.

Please do your research before making your next post. Peddling misinformation like you just did is dangerous.

Antifar posted...

That is a direct result of the lockdown you're calling for undoing.

Show me the proof that lockdowns work. When people in NYC apartments are catching the virus despite never leaving their homes? How about the fact that the majority of deaths in NJ are in nursing homes where the patients never even go out. Lockdowns sure saved their lives right?

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EvalAngell posted...

what are you talking about? hospitals around the country are furloughing nurses and medical staff because there is NO WORK. The curve has been demolished everywhere outside of NY/NJ. And even in NYC they recalled the hospital ship because barely anyone was on board. The medical needs have been met and THEN some.

This is completely false. New York is the place that has flattened the curve while many other states have not hit their peak and are experiencing dramatic spikes. Rural America is just now starting to see large percentage increases.

Daphneries39 posted...

All of your data is incorrect. New York's case numbers have significabtly decreased. They do not account for anywhere near 50% of the confirmed cases any longer. These rural states you are talking about are now experiencing widespread outbreaks. You don't see them as reflective in the numbers because those states do not have widespread testing. However, even just going by confirmed cases, these states are experiencing huge spikes right now. And as New York's numbers continue to go down, the numbers in these states will continue to go up.

Please do your research before making your next post. Peddling misinformation like you just did is dangerous.

Spreading misinformation? I've done a ton of research on this whole pandemic. And more and more anti-body studies are showing that the CFR is less than 1%. Contagion =/= lethality. Just because a spike in cases has occurred is no where near a guarantee that deaths will follow.

I will share with you all my sources from another topic. Read them and see what I mean:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838943211/73-of-inmates-at-an-ohio-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGUgrEfSgaU

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EvalAngell posted...

Show me the proof that lockdowns work.

All of Europe and Asia.

Are you purposely trying to be this dense.

I think we should be able to open up while maintaining social distance and should keep using masks and constant sanitizing surfaces.

EvalAngell posted...

How about the fact that the majority of deaths in NJ are in nursing homes where the patients never even go out.

I work in a nursing home. And at the end of my shift I go home, and every week I go to the grocery store.
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Daphneries39 posted...

All of Europe and Asia.

Are you purposely trying to be this dense.

All of Europe you say? Japan also never "locked down." Sounds like you're the one who needs to stop spreading misinformation....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

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EvalAngell posted...

All of Europe you say? Japan also never "locked down." Sounds like you're the one who needs to stop spreading misinformation....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

As of Sunday, Sweden had reported 1,540 deaths tied to Covid-19, an increase of 29 from Saturday. Thats considerably more than in the rest of Scandinavia

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Antifar posted...

Thats considerably more than in the rest of Scandinavia

but much less than in Italy, Spain and the U.K., both in absolute and relative terms.

come on man.

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EvalAngell posted...

Spreading misinformation? I've done a ton of research on this whole pandemic. And more and more anti-body studies are showing that the CFR is less than 1%. Contagion =/= lethality. Just because a spike in cases has occurred is no where near a guarantee that deaths will follow.

I will share with you all my sources from another topic. Read them and see what I mean:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-serology-testing-la-county

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838943211/73-of-inmates-at-an-ohio-prison-test-positive-for-coronavirus

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGUgrEfSgaU

You didn't refute what I said at all. You said half our cases are coming from New York and that there are hardly any cases from rural America. Both are flat out lies.

Yesterday we had 30k cases. 8k came from New York and New Jersey.

Rural states in America, especially ones without lockdowms have been experiencing massive spikes:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/coronavirus-hot-spots-farm-belt-189272

Lockdowns work, period:
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/20/21228406/coronavirus-covid-19-social-distancing-lockdown-end-research

The entire world agrees with this. The only ones that disagree are right wing nut cases.

EvalAngell posted...

at what point does public health concern shift from contracting the virus to poverty leading to death by starvation/suicide/domestic violence. Because one issue far outweighs the other...and it's not the one on the news everyday.

Those sources of death are being pushed by conservatives to push for reopening

the reality is 130 people in the US, on average, pre-covid, were committing suicide per day. During the Great Depression the year over year increase in suicides at its very worst was 22%. So that would be an increase of about 30 people per day. Lets be overly generous and say the suicide rate doubles to 260 per day

covid is currently killing 2500-3000 people per day, even after being slowed by our mitigation efforts

domestic abuse and suicide resources are still operating and available. Ive not seen any firm numbers on increases, just speculation that those things would increase. Obviously those things are terrible but the solution should be increase support to high risk people not lets end the quarantine

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Daphneries39 posted...

The entire world agrees with this. The only ones that disagree are right wing nut cases.

Yes a world reknowned doctor who conducted a sereology is a right wing nut case lol. We're done here.

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EvalAngell posted...

but much less than in Italy, Spain and the U.K., both in absolute and relative terms.

come on man.

Now you are purposely trying to be dense. You can't compare Sweden to those countries because Sweden has far less people and far less population density. Sweden has direct equivalent nations you can compare it to: Norway, Finland abd Denmark. Those other nations went on lockdown and are doing far better than Sweden.

EvalAngell posted...

Yes a world reknowned doctor who conducted a sereology is a right wing nut case lol. We're done here.

Ben Carson is.
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Daphneries39 posted...

Sweden has far less people and far less population density

Sweden has a population of 10 million (roughly the equivalent of the state of NJ) and 80% live in a metro/urban setting.

But sure let's see how Stockholm is doing lol

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

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EvalAngell posted...

All of Europe you say? Japan also never "locked down." Sounds like you're the one who needs to stop spreading misinformation....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-19/sweden-says-controversial-covid-19-strategy-is-proving-effective

And Japan has been hit hard and is considered a laughing stock in Asia for their handling of the outbreak. The only reason you don't see it in the confirmed cases is because Japan has no mass testing.

And Sweden is also being called a disaster right now, as they are being destroyed compared to the other nations that are their equivalents.

And congrats for proving my point by showing me that there are only a couple nations that didn't lock down because the vast majority of the world agrees they are effective.

Pretty terrible. I think we're at higher unemployment than the great depression

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EvalAngell posted...

Yes a world reknowned doctor who conducted a sereology is a right wing nut case lol. We're done here.

Lol is this a joke? So your one miniscule doctor somehow overrules the 99% of all other medical professionals in the world that advocate lockdowns?

You lose. You're right - you're done here.

Daphneries39 posted...

And Sweden is also being called a disaster right now, as they are being destroyed compared to the other nations that are their equivalents.

And congrats for proving my point by showing me that there are only a couple nations that didn't lock down because the vast majority of the world agrees they are effective.

are you just being willfully ignorant? did you even read the articles I'm sending you? The only reason countries decided to lockdown is because they saw what happening in China...and then in Italy...and there was no other example on how to handle the pandemic. All the countries played copycat. That's all it was. The ones that took a different approach are reaping the rewards with early herd immunity and no threat of a supposed "second or third wave."

I fear i'm being trolled by you so I'll just stop responding at this point. I've laid out the evidence for all the other posters who want to dig into it.

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EvalAngell posted...

Sweden has a population of 10 million (roughly the equivalent of the state of NJ) and 80% live in a metro/urban setting.

But sure let's see how Stockholm is doing lol

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

Your link basically does nothing but prove my point. This isn't rocket science. Sweden has almost direct equivalents in Norway, Finland and Denmark. They are similar in size, population density, and even culture. Those other three went on lockdown and Sweden didn't. Sweden is doing significantly worse than they are.

Game. Set. Match.

EvalAngell posted...

are you just being willfully ignorant? did you even read the articles I'm sending you? The only reason countries decided to lockdown is because they saw what happening in China...and then in Italy...and there was no other example on how to handle the pandemic. All the countries played copycat. That's all it was. The ones that took a different approach are reaping the rewards with early herd immunity and no threat of a supposed "second or third wave."

I fear i'm being trolled by you so I'll just stop responding at this point. I've laid out the evidence for all the other posters who want to dig into it.

Again, utter nonsense and misinformation by you. There are zero countries in the world reaping rewards from a herd immunity strategy. England attempted to use this so-called herd immunity strategy and then abandoned it because they knew it was a disaster. The foremost infectious disease specialist in the world from South Korea(the country that destroyed covid-19 better than any other) stated that any strategy using herd immunity is a joke. This guy was responsible for South Korea's response. Literally the #1, most sought after, admired person in the world in this field:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-south-korea-doctor-donald-trump-ego-world-health-covid-2020-3

You are just simply wrong in pretty much everything you say. You are also a liar. I expect to see a response from you because you are probably lying about leaving this thread as well.

EvalAngell posted...

what are you talking about? hospitals around the country are furloughing nurses and medical staff because there is NO WORK. The curve has been demolished everywhere outside of NY/NJ. And even in NYC they recalled the hospital ship because barely anyone was on board. The medical needs have been met and THEN some.

Yeah I know a lot of doctors and nurses who have nothing to do. Sounds like the cases are concentrated. I had one nurse tell me covid is rare, and I shouldn't worry about it here

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Squall28 posted...

Yeah I know a lot of doctors and nurses who have nothing to do. Sounds like the cases are concentrated. I had one nurse tell me covid is rare, and I shouldn't worry about it here

And if this is the case, it's directly because of the lockdowns, further proving that they are effective. Without lockdowns, our medical systems will be overwhelmed yet again.

EvalAngell posted...

at what point does public health concern shift from contracting the virus to poverty leading to death by starvation/suicide/domestic violence. Because one issue far outweighs the other...and it's not the one on the news everyday.

You're right...one issue does far outweigh the other...and that issue is stopping the spread of this virus.

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sylverlolol posted...

You're right...one issue does far outweigh the other...and that issue is stopping the spread of this virus.

Youll notice that he completely ignored my post that thoroughly demostrated why he is wrong on that point

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Is that 26 million individuals filing for unemployment?

Or is that just all the people filing each week? I thought you had to file a claim every week until you get a job.

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sylverlolol posted...

You're right...one issue does far outweigh the other...and that issue is stopping the spread of this virus.

It's clear the guy is just a right-wing cultist who is trying to politicize this pandemic. It's standard issue for these guys - talk like they know anything, lie a lot, post a ton of bogus crap and then double down after being confronted with their lunacy.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Youll notice that he completely ignored my post that thoroughly demostrated why he is wrong on that point

How am I wrong on the point? Read.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-usa-cost/

The YWCA of Northern New Jersey, in another example, told Reuters its domestic violence calls have risen up to 24%.

During the last recession, when the unemployment in the United States peaked at 10%, the suicide rate jumped, resulting in 4,750 more deaths. If the unemployment rate increases to 20%, the toll could well rise.

Von Wachter said his research of past surges in unemployment suggests displaced workers could lose, on average, a year and a half of lifespan. If the jobless rate rises to 20%, this could translate into 48 million years of lost human life.

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EvalAngell posted...

How am I wrong on the point? Read.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-usa-cost/

The YWCA of Northern New Jersey, in another example, told Reuters its domestic violence calls have risen up to 24%.

During the last recession, when the unemployment in the United States peaked at 10%, the suicide rate jumped, resulting in 4,750 more deaths. If the unemployment rate increases to 20%, the toll could well rise.

I thought you were going to stop posting in this thread? I guess we can add another to your lie tally.

EvalAngell posted...

If the jobless rate rises to 20%, this could translate into 48 million years of lost human life.

This may be the single most meaningless statistic I have ever read

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God damn I cannot believe how absolutely stupid some people still are about this