Current Events > i hope the guy who said ''ff7r needs to have sections where you squeeze through

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gaps. and make sure they go reeeeallly slloooow as they slowly shimmy through the gap." got fired.

like who sat down at a meeting and went "okay summons, check, new materia system, check, SHIMMYING THROUGH GAPS DOUBLE CHECK"

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It's to hide loading screens.

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presumably they hide load times

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I haven't played FFVIIR but usually in gaming this device is used for 2 reasons

1. As a gameplay stand in for a loading screen

2. Immersive VR

I'm guessing it's 1. Take out the squeeze and all you have left is a loading screen or an elevator/door that takes really really really long to arrive/open.

Look at the God of War reboot where they bragged about not having loading screens and instead you have to stand there doing fuck all as a door appears, then run in circles doing fuck all until the game loads to do fast travel.

Takes about 4 times as long as a screen but hey there isn't one!
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It's better than slow elevators

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The fanboys are praising these and saying it made the game better.

oh right loading screens. my bad y all

i forgot ive been playing on a console

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darkphoenix181 posted...

The fanboys are praising these and saying it made the game better.

No one likes them, but they're there to hide loading screens which people like even less.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Look at the God of War reboot where they bragged about not having loading screens and instead you have to stand there doing fuck all as a door appears, then run in circles doing fuck all until the game loads to do fast travel.

Takes about 4 times as long as a screen but hey there isn't one!

It probably would have taken the exact same amount of time

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hockeybub89 posted...

It probably would have taken the exact same amount of time

I doubt it.

But either way to me it's the same thing.

I know some gamers disagree but to me "Wait here and do fuck all while we load" is just as immersion breaking as "Look at this loading screen and do Fuck All while we load"

I mean it's still the same damn thing. It's stil screaming at every synapse "This is a fake video game you are playing."

I'm more immersed by the story and worlds of video games than by how they do their loading.
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hockeybub89 posted...

It's better than slow elevators

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Tyranthraxus posted...

No one likes them, but they're there to hide loading screens which people like even less.

1. Wrong

2. Actually it is proven on the FF7r board that many of them take place when nothing is being loaded. Maybe in some parts they do it for that, but in others, users have pointed out the area is already complete and they just shoved it in there.

Captain_Qwark posted...

I don't really buy the loading screen argument here. I know it has been used that way in other games

But in this one those parts exist in Wall market just to go into a tiny hallway that's 10 feet long.

Most of then aren't connecting large areas. The one in sector 5 connecting the town to the kid's hideout I could see being used that way. But not most of them.

Yep as many pointed out before in similar arguments on FF7r board.

Certain types of gamers just love defend every decision a company makes though.

IdiotMachine posted...

It's to hide loading screens.

See I could almost believe that, if it weren't for the alleyways in Wall Market, and the expressway seems prett loaded already too.

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Captain_Qwark posted...

I don't really buy the loading screen argument here. I know it has been used that way in other games

But in this one those parts exist in Wall market just to go into a tiny hallway that's 10 feet long.

Most of then aren't connecting large areas. The one in sector 5 connecting the town to the kid's hideout I could see being used that way. But not most of them.

You're right now that I think about it. A lot of the shimmying is clearly not taking you to a new area in FF7.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

1. Wrong

2. Actually it is proven on the FF7r board that many of them take place when nothing is being loaded. Maybe in some parts they do it for that, but in others, users have pointed out the area is already complete and they just shoved it in there.

Some squeezy parts are done to force a specific camera transition like the collapsed highway to sector 6 has a lot of them that are like only a few steps at most.

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The scenes where you have to slow walk and listen to dialogue like an naughty dog game are pretty bad too imo

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hockeybub89 posted...

It's better than slow elevators

Garrus: You ever miss those talks we had on the elevator?'

Tali: No.

Garrus: Come on, remember how we'd all ask you about life on the flotilla? It was an opportunity to share.

Tali: This conversation is over.

Garrus: Tell me again about your immune system.

Tali: I have a shotgun.

Garrus: Mmmmaybe we'll talk later.

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DrizztLink posted...

Garrus: You ever miss those talks we had on the elevator?'

Tali: No.

Garrus: Come on, remember how we'd all ask you about life on the flotilla? It was an opportunity to share.

Tali: This conversation is over.

Garrus: Tell me again about your immune system.

Tali: I have a shotgun.

Garrus: Mmmmaybe we'll talk later.

Get back to work, Garrus. I know calibrations don't take that long!

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I mean, if guy one says "let's have a loadimg screen here" and guy b says "nah, let's just have a small transition area that consumes few resources and takes enough time to get through to load everything" I'd be more likely to promote guy b than fire him.

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DrizztLink posted...

Garrus: You ever miss those talks we had on the elevator?'

Tali: No.

Garrus: Come on, remember how we'd all ask you about life on the flotilla? It was an opportunity to share.

Tali: This conversation is over.

Garrus: Tell me again about your immune system.

Tali: I have a shotgun.

Garrus: Mmmmaybe we'll talk later.

And then they fucked

no really, that happened
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Wasn't TC the same guy who tried to blame his inability to beat a sub-boss on poor mechanics?

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IdiotMachine posted...

It's to hide loading screens.

TheGoldenEel posted...

presumably they hide load times

UnfairRepresent posted...

1. As a gameplay stand in for a loading screen

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solosnake posted...

The scenes where you have to slow walk and listen to dialogue like an naughty dog game are pretty bad too imo

Yea I hate how they slow me down when they want me to go towards like Aerith but I want to run around and explore a bit before I go to the cs.

But they are like NOPE slow time!

But that said, I feel like the appropriate resolution to the loading screen issue is more granular memory modules.

I mean, unless somebody just screwed up as a designer, you're generally playing a lot longer than you're waiting for load screens, even back on the PS1. Why not cut chunks from a full level/area to maybe a quarter that size and keep the four "nearest" modules in memory?

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Lol @ @Veggeta_MAX promoting posts that already got debunked ITT.

Oof

it just seems weird that i can run all over sector 5 from aerith's house to the central area and to sector 4 and 6 with no squeezey but for the children's area i have to squeeze slowly through a gap

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IdiotMachine posted...

It's to hide loading screens.

this, lots of modern games do it

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DevsBro posted...

I mean, unless somebody just screwed up as a designer, you're generally playing a lot longer than you're waiting for load screens, even back on the PS1.

Ever played Monster Hunter: World?

NotYou posted...

Ever played Monster Hunter: World?

No, did it have somebody screw up as a designer?

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Im hoping that shit is gone next gen. FF15 loved those too. Lotta games this gen have that stuff

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Some of them probably did mask load times, but as someone pointed out there is no way the ones in Wall Market serve that purpose. I assume it was an aesthetic thing since they're back alleys, but god that was tedious

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