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fire_bolt 04/19/20 1:08:46 AM #1:	https://i.imgur.com/shLHk4a.jpg --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:937672727] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/shLHk4a.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpenShut 04/19/20 1:11:36 AM #2:	Intriguing <cite>OpenShut posted [p:937672819] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Intriguing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 04/19/20 1:12:08 AM #3:	It's a very roundabout way to make a point. Also is she going to kill anybody herself? With those scrawny arms? No, it's all rhetoric and not particularly graceful. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:937672841] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>It's a very roundabout way to make a point. Also is she going to kill anybody herself? With those scrawny arms? No, it's all rhetoric and not particularly graceful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 04/19/20 1:12:58 AM #4:	But then who will create jobs for us? --- "It was some post on the NFL board that got him." -AwesomeToTheMAX <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:937672875] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>But then who will create jobs for us? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 04/19/20 1:13:36 AM #5:	It isn't. Wii_Shaker posted... Also is she going to kill anybody herself? With those scrawny arms? She's not advocating for killing anyone... --- No matter where you go, there you are. <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:937672897] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>It isn't. Wii_Shaker posted... </cite> <quote>Also is she going to kill anybody herself? With those scrawny arms?</quote> She's not advocating for killing anyone... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rahasperj 04/19/20 1:13:46 AM #6:	Re-open the economy, but allow people who fear the virus to stay home and receive necessities to survive. This way, people who are scared can stay safe, and at home, and others can keep their jobs and keep things running. --- The best advice my dad ever gave me was, "Life's full of idiots, don't be one." <cite>rahasperj posted [p:937672901] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Re-open the economy, but allow people who fear the virus to stay home and receive necessities to survive. This way, people who are scared can stay safe, and at home, and others can keep their jobs and keep things running. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 04/19/20 1:15:51 AM #7:	but if we kill all the billionaires, what happens to the trickle? --- No tears, no noise, no calls, no choice <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:937672984] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>but if we kill all the billionaires, what happens to the trickle? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 04/19/20 1:17:39 AM #8:	Its sound logic. The only thing bad about it. (besides the death of people, of course, but I were working the angle that this is FAR less people) is that some of those 3,000 do actually benefit society in a major way, at least more so than grandma who just wet herself trying to get to the restroom But I 100% agree with the point here, however, the virus doesnt pick and choose, so it has no real logic --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:937673059] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Its sound logic. The only thing bad about it. (besides the death of people, of course, but I were working the angle that this is FAR less people) is that some of those 3,000 do actually benefit society in a major way, at least more so than grandma who just wet herself trying to get to the restroom But I 100% agree with the point here, however, the virus doesnt pick and choose, so it has no real logic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 04/19/20 1:18:38 AM #9:	It makes sense. A few billionaires are a small price to pay when compared to 9 million working class people --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:937673102] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>It makes sense. A few billionaires are a small price to pay when compared to 9 million working class people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omasitor Hain 04/19/20 1:19:55 AM #10:	I don't buy into any number people throw at me. Also, #we da people #follow me y'all #whatever seems sensible to me <cite>Omasitor Hain posted [p:937673157] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>I don't buy into any number people throw at me. Also, #we da people #follow me y'all #whatever seems sensible to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 04/19/20 1:20:30 AM #11:	ThyCorndog posted... It makes sense. A few billionaires are a small price to pay when compared to 9 million working class people And if this was voluntary, its a good point. But its not. The poor are all going to die because theyre the ones out in the world. --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:937673186] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>It makes sense. A few billionaires are a small price to pay when compared to 9 million working class people</quote> And if this was voluntary, its a good point. But its not. The poor are all going to die because theyre the ones out in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 04/19/20 1:20:38 AM #12:	PMarth2002 posted... It isn't. She's not advocating for killing anyone... "I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..." --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:937673196] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>PMarth2002 posted... </cite> <quote>It isn't. She's not advocating for killing anyone...</quote> "I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bad_Mojo 04/19/20 1:24:43 AM #14:	Wii_Shaker posted... "I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..." Even if you kill them all, what changes? Con19 isnt a God looking for tribute --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:937673387] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Wii_Shaker posted... </cite> <quote>"I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..."</quote> Even if you kill them all, what changes? Con19 isnt a God looking for tribute </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MT_TRAEH 04/19/20 1:38:45 AM #15:	same as wars not being settled by the generals/leaders, gotta have somebody else, preferably young and full of energy, to kill the other's subordinates, but now people gotta die for them, i mean for the economy --- Life is just a journey from the maternity ward to the crematorium. Happiness or sadness, victory or defeat, pleasure or pain, it will pass. <cite>MT_TRAEH posted [p:937673889] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>same as wars not being settled by the generals/leaders, gotta have somebody else, preferably young and full of energy, to kill the other's subordinates, but now people gotta die for them, i mean for the economy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 04/19/20 1:58:05 AM #16:	Pretty straight-forward loop variant of trolly problem. To some people, it makes a difference if killing people is the plan or an unfortunate effect. In the Forbes example, you would be killing people as the plan. In the CV example, you would be letting people conduct business normally and people would be dying as an unfortunate effect. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:937674546] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Pretty straight-forward loop variant of trolly problem. To some people, it makes a difference if killing people is the plan or an unfortunate effect. In the Forbes example, you would be killing people as the plan. In the CV example, you would be letting people conduct business normally and people would be dying as an unfortunate effect. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/19/20 2:12:09 AM #17:	DevsBro posted... Pretty straight-forward loop variant of trolly problem. To some people, it makes a difference if killing people is the plan or an unfortunate effect. In the Forbes example, you would be killing people as the plan. In the CV example, you would be letting people conduct business normally and people would be dying as an unfortunate effect. You're missing the entire point, which is that we have a third option. Do Not Reopen. You know all those trolley memes about moving the one person to the other track so you can save everyone or similar? That's an actual thing we could do here. The OP is suggesting that if we're going to choose to kill people, which reopening will do, we should kill the fewest number possible. --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:937674957] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty straight-forward loop variant of trolly problem. To some people, it makes a difference if killing people is the plan or an unfortunate effect. In the Forbes example, you would be killing people as the plan. In the CV example, you would be letting people conduct business normally and people would be dying as an unfortunate effect. </quote> You're missing the entire point, which is that we have a third option. Do Not Reopen. You know all those trolley memes about moving the one person to the other track so you can save everyone or similar? That's an actual thing we could do here. The OP is suggesting that if we're going to choose to kill people, which reopening will do, we should kill the fewest number possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 04/19/20 3:04:50 AM #18:	I agree with not opening --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:937676475] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>I agree with not opening </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
645AR 04/19/20 3:06:48 AM #19:	Bad_Mojo posted... Its sound logic. The only thing bad about it. (besides the death of people, of course, but I were working the angle that this is FAR less people) is that some of those 3,000 do actually benefit society in a major way, at least more so than grandma who just wet herself trying to get to the restroom But I 100% agree with the point here, however, the virus doesnt pick and choose, so it has no real logic this is extremely close to putting human lives on a value scale. bad take --- sig <cite>645AR posted [p:937676532] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote>Its sound logic. The only thing bad about it. (besides the death of people, of course, but I were working the angle that this is FAR less people) is that some of those 3,000 do actually benefit society in a major way, at least more so than grandma who just wet herself trying to get to the restroom But I 100% agree with the point here, however, the virus doesnt pick and choose, so it has no real logic </quote> this is extremely close to putting human lives on a value scale. bad take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/19/20 3:12:19 AM #20:	You don't take $7.8 trillion from them. They don't have $7.8 trillion in cash, the vast majority of their money is in the stock market and other non-liquid investments. I wonder if people seriously don't understand this or if they do understand this and just don't care. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:937676673] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>You don't take $7.8 trillion from them. They don't have $7.8 trillion in cash, the vast majority of their money is in the stock market and other non-liquid investments. I wonder if people seriously don't understand this or if they do understand this and just don't care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vigorm0rtis 04/19/20 3:20:38 AM #22:	Wii_Shaker posted... It's a very roundabout way to make a point. Also is she going to kill anybody herself? With those scrawny arms? No, it's all rhetoric and not particularly graceful. Still not much of a reader, I see. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:937676851] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Wii_Shaker posted... </cite> <quote>It's a very roundabout way to make a point. Also is she going to kill anybody herself? With those scrawny arms? No, it's all rhetoric and not particularly graceful.</quote> Still not much of a reader, I see. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 04/19/20 3:20:39 AM #23:	Godnorgosh posted... The intention is clearly to make a point about why "reopening the economy" is wrong and a bad idea, not to advocate killing billionaires. That's why it's clumsy rhetoric and a roundabout way to make a point. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:937676852] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted... </cite> <quote>The intention is clearly to make a point about why "reopening the economy" is wrong and a bad idea, not to advocate killing billionaires.</quote>That's why it's clumsy rhetoric and a roundabout way to make a point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starmieketone 04/19/20 3:21:45 AM #24:	Wii_Shaker posted... "I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..." Considering the first sentence references Swifts satirical essay wherein he suggests poor people use their children as livestock, it would be safe to assume she is speaking satirically. --- Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. <cite>Starmieketone posted [p:937676872] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Wii_Shaker posted... </cite> <quote>"I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..."</quote> Considering the first sentence references Swifts satirical essay wherein he suggests poor people use their children as livestock, it would be safe to assume she is speaking satirically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g980 04/19/20 3:25:25 AM #26:	Damn_Underscore posted... You don't take $7.8 trillion from them. They don't have $7.8 trillion in cash, the vast majority of their money is in the stock market and other non-liquid investments. I wonder if people seriously don't understand this or if they do understand this and just don't care. While liquidity is a valid counterpoint to a lot of the stupider anti billionaire rhetoric, i dont think it really matters here --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:937676958] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>You don't take $7.8 trillion from them. They don't have $7.8 trillion in cash, the vast majority of their money is in the stock market and other non-liquid investments. I wonder if people seriously don't understand this or if they do understand this and just don't care.</quote> While liquidity is a valid counterpoint to a lot of the stupider anti billionaire rhetoric, i dont think it really matters here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/19/20 3:28:14 AM #27:	g980 posted... While liquidity is a valid counterpoint to a lot of the stupider anti billionaire rhetoric, i dont think it really matters here It's a dishonest argument that people use all the time. I don't care if she's being satirical or not, it's not a good argument when it's inherently dishonest. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:937677006] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted...</cite> <quote> While liquidity is a valid counterpoint to a lot of the stupider anti billionaire rhetoric, i dont think it really matters here </quote> It's a dishonest argument that people use all the time. I don't care if she's being satirical or not, it's not a good argument when it's inherently dishonest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
malenz 04/19/20 3:35:39 AM #28:	Godnorgosh posted... So was Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal. I thought the reference was pretty clear, as was her meaning. I'm not familiar with that, but by the end of it, her meaning was pretty clear. --- Then by that logic, real men are pixies. <cite>malenz posted [p:937677178] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted... </cite> <quote>So was Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal. I thought the reference was pretty clear, as was her meaning.</quote>I'm not familiar with that, but by the end of it, her meaning was pretty clear. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 04/19/20 3:39:01 AM #29:	Damn_Underscore posted... It's a dishonest argument that people use all the time. I don't care if she's being satirical or not, it's not a good argument when it's inherently dishonest. It is contextual. It is a valid point against wealth taxes, for instance --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:937677259] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>It's a dishonest argument that people use all the time. I don't care if she's being satirical or not, it's not a good argument when it's inherently dishonest.</quote> It is contextual. It is a valid point against wealth taxes, for instance </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 04/19/20 3:51:38 AM #30:	DevsBro posted... Pretty straight-forward loop variant of trolly problem. To some people, it makes a difference if killing people is the plan or an unfortunate effect. In the Forbes example, you would be killing people as the plan. In the CV example, you would be letting people conduct business normally and people would be dying as an unfortunate effect. Realistically, if you know people dying is a consequence of your action, does that not inherently make it part of the plan? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:937677563] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty straight-forward loop variant of trolly problem. To some people, it makes a difference if killing people is the plan or an unfortunate effect. In the Forbes example, you would be killing people as the plan. In the CV example, you would be letting people conduct business normally and people would be dying as an unfortunate effect. </quote> Realistically, if you know people dying is a consequence of your action, does that not inherently make it part of the plan?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 04/19/20 4:05:22 AM #31:	This wouldn't stop people from catching the virus though... --- //constant loneliness// --- Steam and Fortnite: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:937677847] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>This wouldn't stop people from catching the virus though... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 04/19/20 4:13:38 AM #32:	billcom6 posted... This wouldn't stop people from catching the virus though... Exactly TC seems to be under the impression that we're selecting people who get it. We're not, it's not --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:937678006] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>billcom6 posted... </cite> <quote>This wouldn't stop people from catching the virus though...</quote> Exactly TC seems to be under the impression that we're selecting people who get it. We're not, it's not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 04/19/20 4:18:20 AM #33:	Wii_Shaker posted... "I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..." And then she goes on to make the point that the very idea is immoral. I think some people are missing the point here. --- https://imgur.com/DCjoiZ0 https://www.deviantart.com/fuee/art/spanky1-811230163 <cite>spanky1 posted [p:937678081] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Wii_Shaker posted...</cite> <quote> "I have a modest proposal. We could just kill everybody on the Forbes Billionaires list..." </quote> And then she goes on to make the point that the very idea is immoral. I think some people are missing the point here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kensaimage 04/19/20 5:48:16 AM #35:	People realize that were gonna have to reopen eventually, right? People act like its the economy vs people, except the entire fuckin country runs on people having jobs to make money to keep things going. Covid-19 isnt going to magically disappear. Its a tricky situation, but we cant hide in our homes forever. Eventually, we have to progress forward somehow. The virus is world wide now and its gonna hit everybody sooner or later. Its an unfortunate reality that we have to face. Not saying we should rush forward without a plan, but we cant stay like this indefinitely either. <cite>Kensaimage posted [p:937679876] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>People realize that were gonna have to reopen eventually, right? People act like its the economy vs people, except the entire fuckin country runs on people having jobs to make money to keep things going. Covid-19 isnt going to magically disappear. Its a tricky situation, but we cant hide in our homes forever. Eventually, we have to progress forward somehow. The virus is world wide now and its gonna hit everybody sooner or later. Its an unfortunate reality that we have to face. Not saying we should rush forward without a plan, but we cant stay like this indefinitely either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serious Cat 04/19/20 5:52:06 AM #36:	Bad_Mojo posted... Exactly TC seems to be under the impression that we're selecting people who get it. We're not, it's not Why is it moral when it's unselective numbers as a byproduct but immoral when it's selective with fewer numbers? --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious Cat posted [p:937679941] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Bad_Mojo posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly TC seems to be under the impression that we're selecting people who get it. We're not, it's not</quote>Why is it moral when it's unselective numbers as a byproduct but immoral when it's selective with fewer numbers? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kensaimage 04/19/20 6:00:42 AM #37:	Serious Cat posted... Why is it moral when it's unselective numbers as a byproduct but immoral when it's selective with fewer numbers? Because a force of nature claiming lives is different than you actively choosing someone to die. Thats an execution, and it is wrong. There are far worse things out there than Covid that kill people every day. In reality, nobody should ever leave there house. Quit your jobs and stay home forever. Except that doesnt work when you need food. Or medical help. Or your furnace breaks down in the winter and you need a repairman to fix it. You cant pause the world forever <cite>Kensaimage posted [p:937680132] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Serious Cat posted... </cite> <quote>Why is it moral when it's unselective numbers as a byproduct but immoral when it's selective with fewer numbers?</quote> Because a force of nature claiming lives is different than you actively choosing someone to die. Thats an execution, and it is wrong. There are far worse things out there than Covid that kill people every day. In reality, nobody should ever leave there house. Quit your jobs and stay home forever. Except that doesnt work when you need food. Or medical help. Or your furnace breaks down in the winter and you need a repairman to fix it. You cant pause the world forever </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 04/19/20 6:01:15 AM #38:	Serious Cat posted... Why is it moral when it's unselective numbers as a byproduct but immoral when it's selective with fewer numbers? Very first post is a Tweet saying we should kill the rich over the poor. TC is asking someone to explain that thinking I explain that people not not dying because they are rich or poor I make a snarky post saying no one is saying they will be tribune. --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:937680140] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Serious Cat posted... </cite> <quote>Why is it moral when it's unselective numbers as a byproduct but immoral when it's selective with fewer numbers?</quote> Very first post is a Tweet saying we should kill the rich over the poor.TC is asking someone to explain that thinking I explain that people not not dying because they are rich or poorI make a snarky post saying no one is saying they will be tribune. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serious Cat 04/19/20 6:09:04 AM #39:	Kensaimage posted... Because a force of nature claiming lives is different than you actively choosing someone to die. Even if the "force of nature" is the result of an active choice? Kensaimage posted... You cant pause the world forever It's been a month. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious Cat posted [p:937680280] in Can anyone... [t:78600389]...</cite> <quote>Kensaimage posted... </cite> <quote> Because a force of nature claiming lives is different than you actively choosing someone to die.</quote>Even if the "force of nature" is the result of an active choice? Kensaimage posted... </cite> <quote>You cant pause the world forever</quote>It's been a month. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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