Board 8 > Percussion Mafia Topic 8 - Day 4 starts here

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Panthera posted...

Scum also wasn't going to bus their godfather for no reason in a certain other game I played in, but it turns out they had another one that was also immune to other scans too so they had no reason not to.

I know you always praise me Corrik, but I'm pretty sure you also know I always am hyper-critical of myself

Your rebuttal has zero relevancy to what you were attempting to rebut.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Your rebuttal has zero relevancy to what you were attempting to rebut.

It's an example of the same thing. You're trying to argue that there is no scenario where scum doesn't have to worry about a certain scanner or scanners as much as they normally would. I don't know how you can logically argue that scum must have something strong to balance out the town power but also deny that scum could have any role that counters any of said power.

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Here's the question though.. We have a pile of "ew" that most likely has a scum in it.. We need to figure out what to do about it. Today would be a good day to theorize on them a bit. We should consider ending the day in 24 hours if it feels like it's really stagnating, though.

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Panthera posted...

It's an example of the same thing. You're trying to argue that there is no scenario where scum doesn't have to worry about a certain scanner or scanners as much as they normally would. I don't know how you can logically argue that scum must have something strong to balance out the town power but also deny that scum could have any role that counters any of said power.

Anything scum has is going to be used on the billion claimed scanners, not the person who one time can save just one of them from dying.

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From dying one time, cut myself off there.

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##vote:Plum


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Hold on. There is a flaw in my setup meta.

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Corrik7 posted...

Hold on. There is a flaw in my setup meta.

Holding.

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I am not accounting for the bomb on Mzero.

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Assuming Mzero is town and not lying...

5+1/18 doesn't work with a scum extra kill.

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Corrik7 posted...

I am not accounting for the bomb on Mzero.

What if Hb's night one action was to place a bomb on MZero, the supposed "bomb defuser", and that's scum's extra kill?

It would have to be 5 scum in that case. 6 scum feels like too much with survivor and a bomb.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Anything scum has is going to be used on the billion claimed scanners, not the person who one time can save just one of them from dying.

So your argument is that scum cannot have a godfather, ninja, etc type role or two when they seem to have had the one single roleblock HB flipped and town has claimed detective, tracker, two motion detectors, a (mostly useless) flavour scanner and also an independent cop existed for the lulz.

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Or does it... with Mzero being deathproof... I'd think not.

That's even assuming it's just an extra kill.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

What if Hb's night one action was to place a bomb on MZero, the supposed "bomb defuser", and that's scum's extra kill?

It would have to be 5 scum in that case. 6 scum feels like too much with survivor and a bomb.

Well, it is super likely that HB did not go to Chris. So, that's a possibility.

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The funny part is. If it's a bomb that goes off on a delay, we wouldn't even know cuz Mzero is deathproof and he would have just unknowingly lost his deathproof. lol

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It is virtually confirmed Hb did not go to Chris.

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Would be funny if Plum knew that when he voted Mzero to show how "silly" the hyperbomb suggestion was...

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Corrik7 posted...

Would be funny if Plum knew that when he voted Mzero to show how "silly" the hyperbomb suggestion was...

Plum's vote on MZero was meaningless and for show.

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Don't think HB could be the one who planted a bomb, that wasn't in his list of jack abilities when he flipped.

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Oh yeah. Duh.

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I never actually looked at Hb's flipped abilities come to think of it..

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He had a roleblock, rolestop, and Scan.

All I remembered was the rolestop.

Which makes me wonder... if he went to Scare night 2... he had to of been using the roleblock right? I guess that means rolestops are being resolved before roleblocks which is unusual.

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Well ok its definitely not something any known scum could have done, including Panthera.

Conspiracy theory: Corrik is scum who put a bomb on MZero, and decided to claim he scanned a bomb on MZero.

But really, here's the thing. A second bomb in the game does drastically reduce the likelihood of 6 scum. The town already have the ability to lose the game super early with 6 scum to begin with.

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(Possessor is almost certainly
the redirection)

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Corrik7 posted...

He had a roleblock, rolestop, and Scan.

All I remembered was the rolestop.

Which makes me wonder... if he went to Scare night 2... he had to of been using the roleblock right? I guess that means rolestops are being resolved before roleblocks which is unusual.

Why would that be odd? Role priority would only come into play if they both interfere with each other. An RB targeting the rolestopper's target would be treated just like any other action.

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I don't get how that comes off as unusual either. It just doesn't really matter.

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uwnim posted...

Why would that be odd? Role priority would only come into play if they both interfere with each other. An RB targeting the rolestopper's target would be treated just like any other action.

Roleblocks are supposed to usually resolve first as far as active powers go.

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Corrik7 posted...

Roleblocks are supposed to usually resolve first as far as active powers go.

How often do we ever see a rolestop?

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Well ok its definitely not something any known scum could have done, including Panthera.

Conspiracy theory: Corrik is scum who put a bomb on MZero, and decided to claim he scanned a bomb on MZero.

But really, here's the thing. A second bomb in the game does drastically reduce the likelihood of 6 scum. The town already have the ability to lose the game super early with 6 scum to begin with.

So, you think I would wait til night 2 to use an extra kill as scum?

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Crescent-Moon posted...

How often do we ever see a rolestop?

Not very often. Like, I said. It is unusual... mostly because rolestops are unusual.

I mean, I think it is pretty set in stone and undebatable night 2 he went to scare to roleblock him. It isn't a debate. I was just saying it was unusual.

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Corrik7 posted...

So, you think I would wait til night 2 to use an extra kill as scum?

When you scanned it would be necessarily be when you used it~

Really though, I don't think a team of Panthera/Plum/You makes a lot of sense anyway.

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I'm not sure I agree with you on Plum being scum.

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Because every single thing the player slot has ever done is wrong and scum wouldn't be that wrong?

That's the one thing that's actually lingered as a thought for me.

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I don't know if Plum claims Motion Detector as scum if one is already claimed. Unless he just straight up is motion detector. Which if he is, I have to assume Lea is scum godfather.


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But, that doesn't make sense because... Plum knew Scare visited Lea.

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So... unless Lea Psychic Godfather, Plum has to of motion detected Lea Night 2.

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It took like... 15-20 posts for someone to say "Well if scum targeted her they're not going to claim it anyway". Motion detector is pretty useless early game.

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But yes, "wind chimes" makes perfect sense for "motion detector".

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Crescent-Moon posted...

But yes, "wind chimes" makes perfect sense for "motion detector".

I mean, lets be honest, scum likely has a safe list they could draw from


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DoubleTangicide posted...

I mean, lets be honest, scum likely has a safe list they could draw from

Red flavor scanned him.

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Wind Chimes is plum's real flavor name. Red flavor scanned 5tar and got wind chimes.

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DoubleTangicide posted...

I mean, lets be honest, scum likely has a safe list they could draw from

There isn't a flavor split.

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Oh shit I forgot that

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Do we let this day go 48 hours? I mean, obviously we aren't doing anything before Damion and Mzero and such can post (and dyl har har). But, I mean, there isn't really much to discuss beyond just lynching Panth.

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@Dark_Young_Link Is there a reason 2/3 of your night posts were random junk?

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I had mentioned before considering having the day be shorter. Maybe 24 hours instead of 48.

The real question is becoming what we're doing tomorrow.

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uwnim posted...

@Dark_Young_Link Is there a reason 2/3 of your night posts were random junk?

All three were shortly after deadlines, when he wasn't around for many hours before EoD (23 hours on day 1), and two of his posts were junk. There's more questions than just that one.

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There is zero scenario Tange is not dead tomorrow if he is town. So, we can cross him out.

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1. Corrik
2. Lea
3. MZero
4. Death
5. Sultan
6. Uwnim
7. DamionDL
8. Crescent
9. DYL
10. Masterplum

Leaves these people left.

Who was all scanned town on this list?

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Lea was. Damion?

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