Current Events > C/D: Men's issues need to be addressed more by women because:

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- societal norms make it harder for men to do so

- women have a greater platform for social issues making it easier to communicate with both men and women

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What are these issues exactly

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Agreed until I saw the reasons

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Men-specific issues will never be addressed by society. Thats part of the point. Thrive in it or succumb to how things are.

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We're in a social climate where praising men is looked down on. We're the boogeyman in the fight for "equal rights" even though women are doing better than men in most areas of life right now.

REMercsChamp posted...

What are these issues exactly

I'm talking about, suicide. Not being able to communicate feelings in a healthy way. Physical, emotional and financial abuse from women. Unfair legal system especially when it comes to child custody. Lack of paternity leave. Etc.

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deny because woman says so

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BlingBling22947 posted...

I'm talking about, suicide. Not being able to communicate feelings in a healthy way. Physical, emotional and financial abuse from women. Unfair legal system especially when it comes to child custody. Lack of paternity leave. Etc.

No, we need to wear pink shoes once a month...because of issues.
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Women have no incentive to take men's issues seriously.

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A lot of men like to tell those women that they aren't real problems though. (ie: toxic masculinity)

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

A lot of men like to tell those women that they aren't real problems though. (ie: toxic masculinity)

a man could be farting alone in the woods and some woman would have a problem with it tbh

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BlueMage279 posted...

to be fair, he would be contributing to global warming with his farting. Its pretty selfish and patriarchal

the farting coming from the challenging woman's mouth would cause more global warming than the man's fart did

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If any men want to add to this list please do.

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What's the deal with men expecting women to fix their problems?

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Thankfully, I feel many already do
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I think they should be more concerned with class issues, and so should men.

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Men need to ask for help when they need it. Blaming society ostracizes you for asking for help isn't a valid excuse not to ask for help. Yeah it sucks but you are still responsible for your own physical and mental health.

Now if this were an argument about government funded services being available equally to men and women then I don't know. There maybe a disparity there. But I promise you if you are paying out of pocket for services,rarely is anyone going to turn down cash for their services. And if they do based on your gender then you're probably better off without their services.

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Alright here's where I might sound like a dick. I mean, it's kinda true . . .

The issues facing men have become issues because of patriarchal society. Women didn't set it up but women do perpetuate these issues while being conscious of the harmful effects. So even though it's not us who brought these standards into fruition, it's part of our responsibility to help change them to create a healthier coexistence.

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Comfy_Pillow posted...

We're in a social climate where praising men is looked down on. We're the boogeyman in the fight for "equal rights" even though women are doing better than men in most areas of life right now.

It's baffling to me that we're expected to believe "male privilege" is a thing.

Speak up for men's rights and women will call you an incel/misogynist to silence you.

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You realize this is literally one of the main points within the 4th wave feminist movement that started early last decade, right?

You people literally go around bashing feminism when you are too ignorant to realize that feminism actually benefits you.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Speak up for men's rights and women will call you an incel/misogynist to silence you.

I kind of know what you're talking about but I feel like it would depend on the issue maybe?

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malenz posted...

Women have no incentive to take men's issues seriously.

Bill Burr referenced that.

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I don't want to compare my problems to a completely different demographic and claim that my problems are more mentally and emotionally taxing.

Men need to start taking their mental health seriously.

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I feel like this boils down to you have mommy issues.

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They are. See: toxic masculinity

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blackhrt posted...

Bill Burr referenced that..

https://youtu.be/lW2pXu97Yvo?t=174
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rhe lack of support/programs for fathers, the lack of support when it comes to child support (i.e its easier for women to put men on child support than it is vice versa)

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Let's talk about the ever pervasive issue of women being able to blame men for things due to their own personal life experiences.

But when men try to blame women based on their personal experiences, they are almost always automatically discounted.

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Remember a while back when there was an article about how men were falling way behind in education and career advancement, and they spun it that women today were having such a hard time finding a suitable life partner to marry? (IE: someone with higher education and higher earning potential than them).

That about sums up how I feel being a man in 2020, lol. I don't take a strong stance on it either way, I believe that both men and women have their own set of problems that they have to deal with on a regular basis and that a little empathy would go a long way.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

A lot of men like to tell those women that they aren't real problems though. (ie: toxic masculinity)

They present garbage as equal to real issues though. No, manspreading is not a real issue and whatever moron started the anti-manspreading shit should be punished somehow. When shit like that is presented as equal to actual and legitimate issues its quite insulting.

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Feminism does address men's concerns though, and it discusses how patriarchy harms men too.

For example, men's self esteem about their bodies is harmed by the bodies shown in pornography, like the amount of men with penis insecurity is astounding and it teaches men that if their bodies arent like the bodies in porn then theyll "never satisfy anyone".

There's also the pressures on men to perform masculinity, where expressing feelings and being sensitive is bullied out of them by either folk in their school growing up, by their families, and from the messages all of our media sends out, and as a result we get men filled with self hatred for "failing" at masculinity and narcissistic men too. Why are successful suicide rates higher with men? Because men aren't allowed healthy ways of outletting their emotions because of whats ingrained and it can become too much. There's other factors too but thats a big part of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/3tn9kc/a_list_of_feminist_resources_tackling_mens_issues/

Here's a bunch of diff things that talk about it, I have a lot of thoughts on this subject but a bit too many for one post

They should but they wont, it's common knowledge how bais and guynocentric the family counts are. But nothing's ever done.

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daddychomsky posted...

Feminism does address men's concerns though, and it discusses how patriarchy harms men too.

For example, men's self esteem about their bodies is harmed by the bodies shown in pornography, like the amount of men with penis insecurity is astounding and it teaches men that if their bodies arent like the bodies in porn then theyll "never satisfy anyone".

There's also the pressures on men to perform masculinity, where expressing feelings and being sensitive is bullied out of them by either folk in their school growing up, by their families, and from the messages all of our media sends out, and as a result we get men filled with self hatred for "failing" at masculinity and narcissistic men too. Why are successful suicide rates higher with men? Because men aren't allowed healthy ways of outletting their emotions because of whats ingrained and it can become too much. There's other factors too but thats a big part of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/3tn9kc/a_list_of_feminist_resources_tackling_mens_issues/

Here's a bunch of diff things that talk about it, I have a lot of thoughts on this subject but a bit too many for one post

Excellent post
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teepan95 posted...

Excellent post

Most feminist women arent really feminist.


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BlingBling22947 posted...

- societal norms make it harder for men to do so

This is true.

BlingBling22947 posted...

- women have a greater platform for social issues making it easier to communicate with both men and women

This one I don't even understand.

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daddychomsky posted...

For example, men's self esteem about their bodies is harmed by the bodies shown in pornography, like the amount of men with penis insecurity is astounding and it teaches men that if their bodies arent like the bodies in porn then theyll "never satisfy anyone".

lmao, this isn't a thing. Lots of betas with small ones send unsolicited dick pics to girls.

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the only "mens rights!" issue i care about is the sexism in commercials

thats an incredibly first world problem so idc that much
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BlingBling22947 posted...

Let's talk about the ever pervasive issue of women being able to blame men for things due to their own personal life experiences.

But when men try to blame women based on their personal experiences, they are almost always automatically discounted.

you know what we say to guys who blame women for their issues.

man shut the **** up and get over it, youre soft.

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CyricZ posted...

What's the deal with men expecting women to fix their problems?

I don't see why not. Men have been fixing women's problems for a while now.

daddychomsky posted...

For example, women's self esteem about their bodies is harmed by the bodies shown in pornography, like the amount of women with body insecurity is astounding and it teaches women that if their bodies arent like the bodies in porn then theyll "never satisfy anyone".

It works both ways. Either watch pornography and realize it's fictional and it's just actors and actresses playing a role and don't compare yourselves to it. Or if you can't, then don't watch it.

I've pretty much given it up 100% except if my wife and I are watching one together for fun and then we are both pointing out the ridiculousness of it and both having a good laugh.

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evil_zombie11 posted...

you know what we say to guys who blame women for their issues.

man shut the **** up and get over it, youre soft.

For example, when some heartbroken woman is online moping about how her dude hurt her and how men are trash because men have been doing her dirty in relationships all her life, she is usually believed and sympathized with. Even with no evidence presented whatsoever.

Now if a man did the same thing, it's just the man's own unique experience, he picks the wrong women, not all women are like that, etc.

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There are issues that males have to deal with, but as of right now we don't have a voice for them. The places who do build up a following spend more time complaining about woman then they do helping fight for male issues .So people like MRAs come off as sexist jerks , and there is few people left to talk about the issues.

Hell that nut Bill Burr does it better then most MRAs while calling woman overrated. So that shows just how bad MRAs people can be. (not an endorsement of Burr methods)

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Mens issues need to be addressed period. I think more women are more sympathetic than you think to men's issues. I think the bigger problem is getting men to talk about it among their peers and making it mainstream, then proving it exists to women.

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Arcanine2009 posted...

Mens issues need to be addressed period. I think more women are more sympathetic than you think to men's issues. I think the bigger problem is getting men to talk about it among their peers and making it mainstream, then proving it exists to women.

well good luck. that wont happen until some things change globally

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Or whenever a man in general brings up his issues with women, a whole bunch of people try and dismiss his experience, and they usually get away with doing that.

But let it be the other way around.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Speak up for men's rights and women will call you an incel/misogynist to silence you.

We just need more clear and open honesty, and that begins by being honest with oneself. Much of modern feminism reeks of patriarchal, conservative thinking to me. It mucks up the dialogue in turn allowing for situations like the hypothetical you described.

The Johnny Depp/Amber Heard situation illustrates it perfectly. Gender relations and society's view of them has become downright toxic, and it's because everyone wants to play judge, jury and executioner without putting in the work to actually understand the truth.

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REMercsChamp posted...

What are these issues exactly

Umm... I can think of the fact its "unmanly" to do or feel a lot of things. Yes men have had privellage historically speaking but at a price. A price that should cease to exist should we truly strive for equality.

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The big one is that these discussions are rarely ever prompted outside of being a reaction to discussing problems women face.

When they are laid out without that starting context, it still usually creeps right back underneath as subtext.

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