Current Events > Coronavirus 8: Uncharted Waters

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LordRazziel posted...

If we just left it, it would be far far worse.

We will see. If it's truly as resilient, contagious, and deadly as some say then we have already failed. If we cant find a cure then theres no way. Too many people to contain.

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LordRazziel posted...

You don't think governments all over the world have considered that? What makes you know better than all of them?

What makes you think they know what they're doing when their positions are determined, demonstrably by Trump's lackadaisical initial response, by poll numbers.

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@Antifar
Dem proposal
https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1240458828107386881?s=20

China has contained it in 2 months. Why shouldn't the rest of the world?

Noice

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

China has contained it in 2 months. Why shouldn't the rest of the world?

Maybe because they bolted people into their homes?

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archedsoul posted...

Maybe because they bolted people into their homes?

Maybe that's the solution, as crazy as it sounds. Why are we dragging our feet on this

archedsoul posted...

Maybe because they bolted people into their homes?

I'll get the impact gun, you get the Easter Baskets.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

China has contained it in 2 months. Why shouldn't the rest of the world?

They are contained for a little while until it is imported back in. You have to realize that they still get foreigners and some are bound to bring it back.

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Corrik7 posted...

They are contained for a little while until it is imported back in. You have to realize that they still get foreigners and some are bound to bring it back.

Fair point.

tigerslashII posted...

What makes you think they know what they're doing when their positions are determined, demonstrably by Trump's lackadaisical initial response, by poll numbers.

What about every other country? Why are they all reacting so strongly?

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Resaix posted...

@Antifar
Dem proposal
https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1240458828107386881?s=20

where do i sign

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LordRazziel posted...

What about every other country? Why are they all reacting so strongly?

Because China set a precedent.

Look, just once I'd like to hear some of THESE questions asked at the press conference.

When did patient zero pop up in the US?

How many Americans are REALLY infected? Flu does not count.

Where are they - in which hospitals?

Why were US health authorities FORBIDDEN to test for Covid-19 after the WHO issued an unmistakable red alert in early January?

Why the CDC coronavirus discussions are CLASSIFIED?

Why the coronavirus discussions in the US take place in Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facilities - which are the domain of Intel and military ops?

But no let's keep asking about "Chinese virus".

This whole thing is a dog and pony show. This virus is H1N1 all over again, and they're playing it up like it is some game-changing pandemic. Maybe if they did their job beforehand it wouldn't have been so bad, but now it is, and nothing, no amount of quarantine is going to stop it.

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tigerslashII posted...

But no let's keep asking about "Chinese virus".

This whole thing is a dog and pony show. This virus is H1N1 all over again, and they're playing it up like it is some game-changing pandemic. Maybe if they did their job beforehand it wouldn't have been so bad, but now it is, and nothing, no amount of quarantine is going to stop it.

*facefuckingpalm*

@ the whole post really!
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tigerslashII posted...

Because China set a precedent.

Look, just once I'd like to hear some of THESE questions asked at the press conference.

When did patient zero pop up in the US?

How many Americans are REALLY infected? Flu does not count.

Where are they - in which hospitals?

Why were US health authorities FORBIDDEN to test for Covid-19 after the WHO issued an unmistakable red alert in early January?

Why the CDC coronavirus discussions are CLASSIFIED?

Why the coronavirus discussions in the US take place in Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facilities - which are the domain of Intel and military ops?

But no let's keep asking about "Chinese virus".

This whole thing is a dog and pony show. This virus is H1N1 all over again, and they're playing it up like it is some game-changing pandemic. Maybe if they did their job beforehand it wouldn't have been so bad, but now it is, and nothing, no amount of quarantine is going to stop it.

You truly have a great mind.
*tips fedora*

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https://www.wtvy.com/content/news/Coronavirus-case-at-Southeast-Health-confirmed-568900611.html

Less than 30 miles from me. it's a'comin!

DoctorPiranha3 posted...
China has contained it in 2 months. Why shouldn't the rest of the world?

South Korea has things under control, so it's not just dictatorships who have a handle on things.

tigerslashII posted...

Because China set a precedent.

Look, just once I'd like to hear some of THESE questions asked at the press conference.

When did patient zero pop up in the US?

How many Americans are REALLY infected? Flu does not count.

Where are they - in which hospitals?

Why were US health authorities FORBIDDEN to test for Covid-19 after the WHO issued an unmistakable red alert in early January?

Why the CDC coronavirus discussions are CLASSIFIED?

Why the coronavirus discussions in the US take place in Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facilities - which are the domain of Intel and military ops?

But no let's keep asking about "Chinese virus".

This whole thing is a dog and pony show. This virus is H1N1 all over again, and they're playing it up like it is some game-changing pandemic. Maybe if they did their job beforehand it wouldn't have been so bad, but now it is, and nothing, no amount of quarantine is going to stop it.

1)January 27th is when the U.S. first confirmed a case.
2) Flu season is mostly over and we're struggling to produce the test kits needed to test for COVID19(other countries, such as South Korea, have done a much better job at this.) COVID19 has a major symptom not typically caused by influenza: shortness of breath. It is also vastly more lethal.

As for the rest of the post, you ought to, I don't know, actually read some news articles? This has been going on for months now, and there are probably dozens of articles in this very topic. It's spreading across Europe and beginning to hit South America. The rest is answered by Trump initially downplaying it and now he is desperately trying to cover his ass from the political fall-out of that (predictably) terrible mistake.
You should be grateful for our patience in this dark time.

TL;DR : Lurk more.

As for the rest of the post, you ought to, I don't know, actually read some news articles?

They aren't answered in news articles because no one is asking those questions. I've been glued to this shit since January and everyone in the media has flipped the switch from running around with their hands over their ears to suddenly thinking the sky is falling.

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tigerslashII posted...

Why were US health authorities FORBIDDEN to test for Covid-19 after the WHO issued an unmistakable red alert in early January?

Maybe this was the plan all along

Let the virus spread and fuck the economy and give everyone a fat stimulus check so they'll remember in November that Trump and the GOP gave them money

Nah they were just being incompetent

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Fossil posted...

https://www.wtvy.com/content/news/Coronavirus-case-at-Southeast-Health-confirmed-568900611.html

Less than 30 miles from me. it's a'comin!

I have family down in Enterprise, so found out about that earlier today. Stay safe down there!
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I bet nobody anticipated how mobilized covid19 is. Asia was going to get the next wave. What everybody didn't know hurt them.

everyone surprised how Italy was next then US. We talking the covid19 traveled thousands of miles, across ocean barriers, and various airports to hit the West of the world and the rest of it. Just wow...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVqWpGnG4vU

Lol

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Just a heads up, the hospital I work at, in MTL (canada), has discharged every non-essential patient from their beds that we were able to. All our negative pressure rooms are ready and we're expecting the worst (which I/We hope it doesn't come down to).
At the very leaat, we're ready for an on slaught.

Also, for the last week, my hospital has quarantine procedures at the front door, and have closed all but four points of entry.

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Still have to go to work.

Legal services still considered essential by my county government. Can't work from home either

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Eat More Beef posted...

Just a heads up, the hospital I work at, in MTL (canada), has discharged every non-essential patient from their beds that we were able to. All our negative pressure rooms are ready and we're expecting the worst (which I/We hope it doesn't come down to).
At the very leaat, we're ready for an on slaught.

Also, for the last week, my hospital has quarantine procedures at the front door, and have closed all but four points of entry.

There's been missteps but I'm incredibly proud of my country right now

Not even more than 1000 cases nationwide and they've shut the whole place down and spent the last few weeks building up whatever they need

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CloneTheHero posted...

ive ventured into those weird paranormal podcasts today for a good scare and there was a guest who claimed to be an ex intelligence officer he was saying to prepare for millions of deaths. this is the big one.

also its a little alarming how hard iran has been hit, theyre building mass graves visible from space.

Not sure if this was answered already, but link to the podcast?

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- "- All 50 states in the United States have reported cases and the total number of infections surged past 6,400. " -Reuters *Map is outdated

- "A federal government plan to combat the coronavirus warned policymakers last week that a pandemic will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves, resulting in widespread shortages that would strain consumers and the nations health care system." -MSN.com

-"Brazilian retail, transport and manufacturing were hammered, and the government stopped accepting Venezuelan refugees at the border. " -Reuters

- "Russian media have deployed a significant disinformation campaign to sow panic in the West, according to a European Union document seen by Reuters. " -Reuters

- "Belgium imposed a lockdown from midday (1100 GMT) on Wednesday until April 5. " -Reuters

- "Ukraine, where a lawmaker tested positive, has imposed a state of emergency in the region around the capital Kiev. " -Reuters

- "Chinas imported cases outnumbered domestic transmissions for a fifth straight day as infected travellers passed through major hubs in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen. " -Reuters

- "Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison declared a human biosecurity emergency and said the countrys citizens should abandon all overseas travel " -Reuters

- "The World Health Organization said the Middle East states need urgently to offer more information about cases. " -Reuters

- "The coronavirus pandemic could destroy up to 25 million jobs around the world if governments do not act fast, the International Labour Organization said. " -Reuters

- "The United States and Canada closed their shared border to non-essential traffic on Wednesday as U.S. President Donald Trump moved to hasten medical equipment production and said hospital ships would be deployed in the battle against the coronavirus. " -Reuters

- "By the closing bell on Wednesday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average effectively erased the last of the once-sizeable gains it had accrued since Trump took office in January 2017. " -Reuters

- "The U.S. Senate overwhelmingly passed legislation on Wednesday providing billions of dollars to limit the damage from the coronavirus pandemic through free testing, paid sick leave and expanded safety-net spending. " -Reuters

- "New Zealand on Thursday advised its citizens not to travel overseas due to the risks posed by the coronavirus." -Reuters

- "Japans Hokkaido, the nations prefecture with the highest number of coronavirus infections, will end its state of emergency over the epidemic on Thursday, the prefecture governor, Naomichi Suzuki, said.

We will end the emergency declaration as scheduled on March 19 and from the 20th move to a new stage to overcome the crisis of coronavirus infections, Suzuki told reporters on Wednesday. " -Reuters

- The virus has a mean survival time of 5 days on various surfaces.
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/pdf

- People have misinterpreted the phrase herd immunity as meaning that were going to have an epidemic to get people infected, says Graham Medley at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. Medley chairs a group of scientists who model the spread of infectious diseases and advise the government on pandemic responses.

He says that the actual goal is the same as that of other countries: flatten the curve by staggering the onset of infections. As a consequence, the nation may achieve herd immunity; its a side effect, not an aim. Indeed, yesterday, U.K. Health Secretary Matt Hancock stated, Herd immunity is not our goal or policy. The governments actual coronavirus action plan, available online, doesnt mention herd immunity at all. The messaging has been really confusing, and I think that was really unfortunate, says Petra Klepac, who is also an infectious-disease modeler at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine." -The Atlantic

- "New York Stock Exchange to temporarily close trading floor from Monday, will move to electronic trading - CNBC" -BNO News

- "Chancellor Angela Merkel says Germany is facing the most serious challenge since World War II as the number of cases in the country approaches 12,000 - dpa" -BNO News

- "Schools across England will be closed from Friday, except for the children of key workers and the most vulnerable - PA" -BNO News

- "British firms say time is running out to keep their businesses afloat as coronavirus batters the economy - and that they are uncertain about how to access the financial support promised by the government on Tuesday." -BBC

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Amazon warehouse worker in New York tests positive for the coronavirus
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/amazon-warehouse-worker-in-new-york-tests-positive-for-the-coronavirus.html

Italian town tested all 3,300 residents, found 3% positive and 1.5% asymptomatic. After quarantining them and their contacts, it cut new COVID-19 cases to zero.
https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1240279081293352964

Panama declares nation-wide curfew from 9PM to 5AM.
https://menafn.com/1099878152/Panama-Curfew-from-9-pm-to-5-am-Starts-Wednesday-March-18

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It doesnt seem like food and necessity item hoarding is going to let up any time soon. I fear with the job losses its only going to get worse. And I dont know why Trump isnt doing or saying anything to get people to calm the fuck down. If people cant get what they need then I fear what measures people will take to get it.

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Beyond01 posted...

It doesnt seem like food and necessity item hoarding is going to let up any time soon

it's hard to find TP. or chicken freshpet as a result so my dog can eat. have about a 12 day supply but it's going to be hard to get just one damn roll (one of those lasts 12 days).

it fucking sucks, if i see one i guess i need to buy 2.
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DundiesAward posted...

Italian town tested all 3,300 residents, found 3% positive and 1.5% asymptomatic. After quarantining them and their contacts, it cut new COVID-19 cases to zero.

And to be clear, that's half of the 3%, not 1.5% of said group! A number of those people are probably presymptomatic, but nowhere near all. We saw the same type of thing with the ship in japan. After a study of the early cases on board, the ones they were sure were past incubation, it was estimated that at least 18% of cases are totally asymptomatic (think childhood viruses that teens and adults don't normally "get" symptomatically but instead fight off without a full immune alert) and not just presymptomatic. Since that was a worst case, with the average age above ~60, it probably means the true society wide asymptomatic numbers would be higher. As older people tend to get hit harder by this and most children and very young people are usually quite mild or moderate.

Normally this would be really great news as it means all the other rates would need to be lowered. (serious/critical/death rates etc) And it is good news itself.. It's just that in this case, asymptomatic as well as presymptomatic infections are very likely highly infectious.. In some cases days before the first symptoms start with the latter.
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https://twitter.com/paulodonoghue93/status/1240428554980073472

lol landlords

Well looks like Spains the next Italy, 2133 cases and 131 dead.

Newhopes posted...

Well looks like Spains the next Italy, 2133 cases and 131 dead.

"YOLO!", they said.


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JimCarrysToe posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVqWpGnG4vU

Lol

Holy shit, Jeffree Star went dark af.

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Newhopes posted...

Well looks like Spains the next Italy, 2133 cases and 131 dead.

Fuck

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https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1240602759545729024

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Really curious why Italy has high deaths everyday while south korea and other countries with thousands of cases has less than 200 deaths?

21WIVES_CHILL posted...

Really curious why Italy has high deaths everyday while south korea and other countries with thousands of cases has less than 200 deaths?

Italy has the 2nd highest anount of old people in the world. Also, their culture has a lot of close physical contact, and younger people mingle with their grandparents and elderly more.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Italy has the 2nd highest anount of old people in the world. Also, their culture has a lot of close physical contact, and younger people mingle with theie grandparents and elderly more.

thats why i keep saying to stop comparing Or saying wE gOnnA bE tHe NeXT iTalY!!

uh no were not because our way of lifestyle and the way the elderly live in the US is completely different. Its an apples to oranges situation.

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EvalAngell posted...

thats why i keep saying to stop comparing Or saying wE gOnnA bE tHe NeXT iTalY!!

uh no were not because our way of lifestyle and the way the elderly live in the US is completely different. Its an apples to oranges situation.

Well we also have about 240 million more people than Italy and at are much greater risk of our hospitals becoming overwhelmed due to a very limited number of ICU beds and hospital equipment

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GregShmedley posted...

Yeeeah no. We definitely are at risk of becoming the next Italy. Though it may be isolated to certain states versus the entire country.

NYC and Seattle look like pretty alarming areas

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EvalAngell posted...

thats why i keep saying to stop comparing Or saying wE gOnnA bE tHe NeXT iTalY!!

uh no were not because our way of lifestyle and the way the elderly live in the US is completely different. Its an apples to oranges situation.

Its gonna be worse than Italy with how terrible the healthcare system is.

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21WIVES_CHILL posted...

Really curious why Italy has high deaths everyday while south korea and other countries with thousands of cases has less than 200 deaths?

South Korea was lucky, the main source of infections was that cult and the members where relatively young and they caught it early and acted swiftly meaning the hospitals weren't swamped like they are in Italy.

annoying how some news is so proud of China with 'no new corona case today'

doesn't that mean the infected people there are just fully contained?
and the virus is still roaming the contaminated area, infecting again those who recovered from it?

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MT_TRAEH posted...

and the virus is still roaming the contaminated area, infecting again those who recovered from it?

again

cases of reinfection are not concrete

many scientists believe that cases where the person has been "reinfected" are really other things

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Awesome posted...

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1240602759545729024

It's misleading that they broke it down like that I bet.

First of all, there is a bigger pool of people to draw upon. If 70% of those 80+ are hospitals and 7%% of the 20-54 crowd, then it probably comes out like that.

Also, 40-50 and 50-54 probably encompass a lot of that % anyways.

Sounds like clickbait to me.

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