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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 3:35:22 PM
#101:


If you're Town and you think the game is stupid overbalanced in Town's favor, then you don't get angry about it.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 4:22:48 PM
#102:


*crickets*

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 5:12:19 PM
#103:


So how are you Crescent? Everything okay with what happened at work?

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htaeD
03/15/20 5:37:29 PM
#104:


At this point its pointless to consider powers I guess.
Either this town has a lot of scanners or a lot of confirmable roles.
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htaeD
03/15/20 5:47:03 PM
#105:


Also Lea I hope you come back, because I would like to hear why you scanned Puns night1, when you also said this

Scanners resolve mzero.


day1
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htaeD
03/15/20 6:04:55 PM
#106:


As for Han, did you consider claiming masons when you saw you were getting a lot of votes day1?
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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 6:51:22 PM
#107:


htaeD posted...
As for Han, did you consider claiming masons when you saw you were getting a lot of votes day1?

I don't recall being worried at any point there.
If it actually came down to it, we'd have been honest, but I didnt really want to fake neighbors just to back down from it so quickly.

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htaeD
03/15/20 7:05:00 PM
#108:


Ah

anyway I did some reading and came up with just some minor Mzero interactions
so far from day1:

KBM mentioned Mzero second after Suprak did it first.
Sbell jokingly did the same, but he was the first to vote Mzero when Corrik calls him scum.

And when Corrik calls Mzero scum, HB comes to his defense by saying Mzero is always inactive. Then he ignores Mzero and yells at people to vote DYL instead.

Nevertheless Puns also voted Mzero early, so we have an established bus going on. He also disagreed with Sbell on how to read scumzero and Sbell seemed to question himself afterwards.
But later Puns called Sbell possible scum for how he handled Mzero, which does not read like a scum on scum accusation to me.

Lea just mused that scanners would resolve Mzero and focused on DYL along with HB.

Kaelee said she did not like the Mzero train because it was on an inactive. She liked the HB train a lot more. Doesnt say much, but want to keep note of this.

IGCD wanted to put some traction behind the Mzer lynch, which is a good enough look.

Anyway I wanted to also look at the DYL lynch again,

[6] DYL: (Scare), Lea, (Suprak), (Ben), (Kaelee), (HBthebattle), (Crescent), HBthebattle, (IGCD), (IGCD), (Crescent), (red), Crescent,(red,) (Ben),(kaelee) Death, Red, Scare
[4] Han: (Sbell), (Ben), Sbell, corrik, DYL, Ben
[2] Corrik: (sbell), Han, Kaelee, (Scare)
[1] Mzero: (Sbell,)( Ben,)(Puns), (Red), IGCD
[2] Scare: (Puns), (Sbell), puns, (death), Supark
[0] HB: (DYL), (IGCD), (Han,) (Suprak,)(Kaelee)
[0] Suprak: (Puns),( Corrik,) (Kaelee), (Lea)
[0] Ben: (Suprak), (Kaelee), (IGCD)
[0] Lea: (DYL), (IGCD)
[0] Death: (Han), (Suprak)
[0] IGCD: (Puns)
[0] Puns: (Kaelee), (Lea), (IGCD)
[0] Sbell: (Han)
[0]Red (DYL)


specifically when DYL claimed inventor because

HB just laughed at him, which now looks like a rather rude reaction honestly. Sadly nobody else was around from the current playerbase besides confirmed Crescent and Han who obviously didnt want to vote himself.
Also note that Puns didnt even help in any direction, which would make slightly more sense if scum didnt fear Han dying.
On the other hand, Puns didnt even move to Han to pretend to look good when DYL claimed inventor. So I dont know what scum really wanted.

So overall day1 not too helpful
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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 7:28:10 PM
#109:


I was gonna hammer DYL but the opportunity never arose.

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htaeD
03/15/20 7:31:48 PM
#110:


Really? Your post at the time felt like you were expressing disbelief at people not unvoting DYL, but I can see it being the other way too. Doesnt make you look worse regardless.
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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/20 7:35:14 PM
#111:


offishal votals
[2] lea: han, IGCD
[1] IGCD hb,(lea)
[0] Han: (lea), (Hb) (Lea)

CANT SELF VOTE lea's unvote counts her vote in herself does not

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Obellisk
03/15/20 8:30:22 PM
#112:


Didn't Lea vote for me?

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 8:31:13 PM
#113:


She did at one point

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 8:57:20 PM
#115:


Nah, my logic is pretty sound. You can call it bad if you want, but it ain't bad, you just mad.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 9:10:41 PM
#117:


It's not set-up meta, you're just acting like Scum.

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Hbthebattle
03/15/20 9:40:41 PM
#118:


Lea, Han is likely just scum in this scenario.
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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 9:48:49 PM
#120:


If you really wanted to test Masons, you'd vote IGCD.

Makes zero sense to vote for me if you're Town.

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 9:53:16 PM
#122:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
So how are you Crescent? Everything okay with what happened at work?
So um... This is my understanding of the events.

That alarm was going off for like, 15 minutes, then a second alarm went off for a bit and it was even worse. Suddenly one of the managers got on the loudspeaker and said all the customers had to leave immediately. I was like, just about done with a purchase, like 15-30 seconds from done, and a different manager came running into the area to tell EVERYONE they needed to leave immediately. We were all rushed out, the only thing I could grab on the way was my coat. It was hectic. Some of them were not happy they were getting kicked out, it's a Sunday after all.

We were basically herded into an area and told to wait there so they could do a head count, which didn't even begin for over 20 minutes. During this time we had no information. Eventually a couple of fire trucks showed up, and we started getting some information. There was apparently a massive flood going on.

After around 45 minutes, the support manager said, though not to all of us, that someone got careless with a piece of machinery and basically exploded a pipe on the top floor, which is currently mostly unused. I heard the water had gotten into the escalators and elevator shafts as well. I have no sense of what is and isn't damaged. Managers kept going in and out with fire people, but we were not allowed in. We had people guarding the doors to turn people away when they tried to come in. Some employees showed up for their shift during this as well.

The building wasn't safe at all, except maybe the first floor, but we had no one present with the authority to close the store for the day. They were trying to get enough done to salvage the day and people were getting worried they were going make us go back in. About 75 minutes after this started we were told to go home, and that if we had any valuables we needed to get out from the building, we would need to wait "several hours" to get them. Supposedly they're going to have things up and running again for tomorrow, but we do not know for sure.

My personality got the hell out of the way immediately so I could numb down. I'm emotion and my psychological age varies at different times. I don't function well in insecure or unstable environments. I've spent most of the time since I got home (I ran some errands first... found some bread in a Walmart) in bed. When I popped back awake, it was about 8:30pm and I thought it was like... 2am. My sense of time is rarely that disoriented. It's kind of like I'm doing a soft reboot.

As far as the game goes.. I found it weird earlier that Lea is waffling between Han and SBell. I do remember that..

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 9:53:39 PM
#123:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
If you really wanted to test Masons, you'd vote IGCD.

Makes zero sense to vote for me if you're Town.
Why does it matter..?

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 10:02:32 PM
#124:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Why does it matter..?

In the event that there are only 2 Scum remaining, I'm more active than IGCD so better to keep me around.

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 10:06:51 PM
#125:


I mean like.. I guess that makes sense. Though.. I guess one of you could talk through the other after dying here.

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Hbthebattle
03/15/20 10:11:13 PM
#126:


Again, it doesn't really matter which one of you it is.
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TheSultanOfSlam
03/15/20 10:11:40 PM
#127:


offishal votals
[2] lea: han, IGCD
[1] IGCD hb,(lea)
[1] Han: (lea), (Hb) (Lea) Lea
[0] Sbell: (lea) (lea)

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 10:16:06 PM
#128:


Hbthebattle posted...
Again, it doesn't really matter which one of you it is.

Again, I don't have kids, so I'm able to be around more than IGCD.

This really isn't hard.

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 10:24:59 PM
#129:


My head hurts, but.. You know.. It probably just results in me getting killed, but.. NL means Hb either dies or gets a scan off... And I don't believe Hb and Lea will both be scum unless there's only 4 scum. Hb cannot be scum unless Lea is.. Both cannot be scum if there's 5 scum.. Town will be far too weak.

So if Hb is town, he either has to die or he will get a scan off. Hb flipping town effectively ends any notion of a 4 member scumteam, and maybe gives me the time I need to reboot. Honestly though I'm not sure what might help on that front.

Hb scans a mason... If Lea/Hb are the two scum, we can safely lynch a mason, then lynch Lea/Hb afterwards.

The masons shouldn't be worried about Hb being scum right now... If he is we have him trapped... Admittedly I haven't been reading much of this topic.

NL effectively removes Hb/Lea scumteam from play if town, but traps both if they're scum...

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 10:27:22 PM
#130:


I'm not sure it achieves anything else though, aside from rooting out that specific potential team...

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 10:38:01 PM
#132:


I'll think about that one a few times, but it does make sense at first glance.

##Unvote: Lea

You don't think Vig, Masons, Confirmed Town, Inventor, Doctor is too little Power for a 5-man Scumteam?

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 10:39:26 PM
#133:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I'll think about that one a few times, but it does make sense at first glance.

##Unvote: Lea

You don't think Vig, Masons, Confirmed Town, Inventor, Doctor is too little Power for a 5-man Scumteam?
That's why I think if they're both scum, its 4..

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 10:42:13 PM
#134:


Reminder.. If Red was power, unclaimed scum always could've claimed was Red was today.

Though if he were actually Miller, it's would be odd to have no real scanning at all. Probably wouldn't be the first time for that though..

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 10:44:34 PM
#135:


I think I need to write this down to think it through.


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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 10:47:06 PM
#137:


It's so weird to see that vote keep switching..

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 10:51:00 PM
#138:


If there are 2 Scum remaining, then I'm not sure what we do matters.

If there are 3 Scum remaining, however, I can't sketch it out a way where Lea isn't Scum.

I feel like the NL tells us how many Scum are remaining. If 3, Hb likely is Town, which means he gets shot. If 2, Crescent likely gets shot, unless Hb is Town, in which case he gets shot if Scum are afraid of his scan.

Really, Hb probably gets shot if Town, and Crescent gets shot if Hb is Scum, but even if Hb flips Town, that doesn't really change trajectory at all?

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 10:54:42 PM
#139:


We have 7 people playing and Kaelee is just... There... Getting no attention from anyone...

All she really did so far today... Was comment on the Apu thing...

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 11:00:22 PM
#141:


Ok... Lea... Is not town.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/15/20 11:00:48 PM
#142:


##Vote: Lea

she clearly wants it

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 11:07:07 PM
#144:


Hopping your vote around is one thing... Now you're just doing it without a purpose... Without a reason. You're not actually trying to find scum... You're just doing whatever...

Town should be charging head first against the mason claims... As they virtually have to be scum if you're town. I don't just mean by setup.. I mean by numbers.

I went over this yesterday.... For you to be town.. And the masons to be town... Requires an SBell/Death/Kaelee scumteam... And two have been scanned innocent.

I am still a little worried all 3 of you could be scum... But I feel town is weak with 5 scum and 3 lying power... Unless of course the modkills took one from us.

For all of you to be lying, we have cop... doctor... vigilante... inventor... and my role. That's... Not a lot against 5 scum who have a janitor.

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 11:08:58 PM
#145:


Honestly though.. If you're all scum, then we lost because modkills didn't flip, which is probably the most asinine hosting decision I've seen...

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 11:15:53 PM
#146:


Though... That really bad host meta I giggled at earlier does support the masons to some degree.. And Lea is simply not acting like town who is trying to solve the game anyway.

We've already crossed so many lines this game, what's another one...

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 11:29:30 PM
#147:


So if Lea is lynched... She flips scum.. 6 left... We lynch into the pile of SBell/Death/Kaelee... If that person flips town, but the game doesn't end.. We lynch Hb...

I think that's... Roughly the plan?

If Lea is scum and Hb is town... We have a godfather or Hb is scum.... Well, or the masons are scum and this game has been a broken, virtually unwinnable mess ever since the modkills.... And I will be annoyed at all the effort I've wasted.

I just.. It's really hard to see town acting like Lea is today. She seems completely unconcerned about anything.

I think after Lea.. We go SBell or Kaelee.... If they're godfather, we lynch Death.... If they're town, and game doesn't end, we lynch Hb...

Like I said before... I honestly just want to plan every lynch now...

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Crescent-Moon
03/15/20 11:31:23 PM
#148:


I put too much on that third line... Rewrote it too often... It's a mess.... But I think you get the point..

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DoomTheGyarados
03/15/20 11:33:04 PM
#149:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Though... That really bad host meta I giggled at earlier does support the masons to some degree.. And Lea is simply not acting like town who is trying to solve the game anyway.

We've already crossed so many lines this game, what's another one...

Good point.

Game has been called due to player conduct.

This is either a scum win or a no contest, pick your poison really.

I am extremely angry right now so I'll just leave it at that. ALL questions about this game are to be directed at me, if a single one of you bothers sultan about this I may lose my shit. You have been warned.

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Fastbreak
03/15/20 11:34:47 PM
#150:


Aye carumba

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