Current Events > GOP rejects proposal to help Americans cope with COVID19

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So what about comapnies that aren't and haven't been making record profits? Not every business is Amazon you know.

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joe40001 posted...

It's not rash. It's urgent. There's a big difference.

This is a bigger crisis than the banking bailout, companies who have made profits due to all the cuts and not passed that along for me to have the fucking savings to can take a hit, and the government can take a hit.

Normally people are more indulgent of daft shallow people who watch fox news 24/7 and have so little self respect that they are nothing but a vessel for regurgitating talking points that rich people got some of the dumb masses to adopt because those rich people want to keep their billions, but this is real shit right now. And so people with such limited cognitive ability to not understand a crisis when they see one and still fall back spitting the same ignorant shit somebody fed them before about "but teh marketz, what about teh cost" need to shut the fuck up and get out of the way.

Right now your very life and the life of people you know depends on people more adult, intelligent, and mature than you handling this virus responsibly. Once the crisis is averted we can all go back to indulging the drivel of people like you, but until then you really need to shut the fuck up. Because the idiotic "what about the cost" shit you are saying WILL get people killed.

The mortality rate is 10x that of influenza... which is 0.1%. Soooo maybe 1% at worst. It's coming and theres nothing that giving money out to everyone is going to do about that.
The government taking money from successful people to pay my rent cause I wanna stay home wont really change the amount of people killed in the end unfortunately

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Alteres posted...

Because the freaking government pays for warfare.

Wartime ecomonies haven't been a thing in 50 years. The gov't used to wage war knowing it had a glut in tax revenue coming.

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linid0t posted...

The mortality rate is 10x that of influenza... which is 0.1%. Soooo maybe 1% at worst. It's coming and theres nothing that giving money out to everyone is going to do about that.
The government taking money from successful people to pay my rent cause I wanna stay home wont really change the amount of people killed in the end unfortunately

So how many people should die before you care?

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linid0t posted...

The mortality rate is 10x that of influenza... which is 0.1%. Soooo maybe 1% at worst. It's coming and theres nothing that giving money out to everyone is going to do about that.

It's funny how something so short can be so wrong in so many ways.

Give me a minute to look up the specific data that your lazy ass couldn't look up before spewing nonsense.

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So are there any updates? Is the house making adjustments so it will pass?

vigorm0rtis posted...

I've owned and run one since 1995.

You still aren't understanding of he ethics of it then.

A company is in good practice to offer jobs until the diminishing returns on employment hits zero. Even more so when they have systems in place to benefit the employee, like sick leave and such, and both parties agree to it.

Now if the government comes in and forces the business to have expenses that make it so having the work force of a certain sIze is bringing negative return, they have to get rid of employees in order to protect themselves no and the other employees

Not an issue for all businesses nor is it the only potential issue from doing this, but it's what the business I work for would be dealing with

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NeoShadowhen posted...

So are there any updates? Is the house making adjustments so it will pass?

Honestly this is probably just one of those things they make up to sling mud and upset people

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"This cannot work, except in all those other countries for some reason"

You shits would support slavery if you were told it would minimize operating costs

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If the emergency bill doesnt help the Fortune 500, the Republicans wont pass it

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CyricZ posted...

So how many people should die before you care?

Irrelevant. He doesn't care how many people die.

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There really is no reason something like this shouldnt happen, though the government should be funding the paid time off.

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uwnim posted...

There really is no reason something like this shouldnt happen, though the government should be funding the paid time off.

Yep.

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Blighboy posted...

"This cannot work, except in all those other countries for some reason"

You shits would support slavery if you were told it would minimize operating costs

Some already do. It's just called "For profit prisons".

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Employers arent going to pay you to sit on your asses for months possibly on end for nothing, so likely mass layoffs will follow immediately after without a doubt.


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https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1238126303238410243

How much worse could things get in a week?

*one week later*
Oh.
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Prismsblade posted...

Employers arent going to pay you to sit on your asses for months possibly on end for nothing, so likely mass layoffs will follow immediately after without a doubt.

That's going to have a great effect on the US economy I bet.

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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1238126303238410243

How much worse could things get in a week?

*one week later*
Oh.

That's almost TWO weeks from now!
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Umbreon posted...

I'm not super knowledgeable about these sorts of things, but I know this is absolute bullshit. The flu kills way more than 0.1%

The case fatality rate the percentage of known infected people who die is between 2% and 4% in Hubei province, where the outbreak began. In other parts of China, the case fatality rate is 0.7%, a World Health Organization expert said Tuesday. The seasonal flu, by comparison, has a case fatality rate of about 0.1%.

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

You still aren't understanding of he ethics of it then.

A company is in good practice to offer jobs until the diminishing returns on employment hits zero. Even more so when they have systems in place to benefit the employee, like sick leave and such, and both parties agree to it.

Now if the government comes in and forces the business to have expenses that make it so having the work force of a certain sIze is bringing negative return, they have to get rid of employees in order to protect themselves no and the other employees

Not an issue for all businesses nor is it the only potential issue from doing this, but it's what the business I work for would be dealing with

It's working just fine in the rest of the world. I don't have sympathies for businesses that don't plan for emergencies. I can close up shop for a couple months and nobody will go without a paycheck.

Also, the comment was about "paying rent." I stand by what I said. If a business can't close for a couple weeks and still pay rent, then it's likely about to fail anyway.

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Umbreon posted...

I'm not super knowledgeable about these sorts of things, but I know this is absolute bullshit. The flu kills way more than 0.1%

You're right. You're not.

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uwnim posted...

There really is no reason something like this shouldnt happen, though the government should be funding the paid time off.

Just some quick math, iirc that CDC guy on Joe Rogan said about 50,000,000 people will probably need to be hospitalized.

Let's assume they're out of work for just one week and the average weekly pay of an American is $900~. That'd be $45,000,000,000 for just the one week (thats stretched across the whole period of course)

Bezos could step in and save the US. After he liquidated Amazon anyway...he'd be Jesus

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linid0t posted...

The case fatality rate the percentage of known infected people who die is between 2% and 4% in Hubei province, where the outbreak began. In other parts of China, the case fatality rate is 0.7%, a World Health Organization expert said Tuesday. The seasonal flu, by comparison, has a case fatality rate of about 0.1%.

Huh.

That's my bad then, I must be thinking of something else.

Though the flu is still something to take seriously, thus something even more dangerously should be taken seriously as well.

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linid0t posted...

The mortality rate is 10x that of influenza... which is 0.1%. Soooo maybe 1% at worst. It's coming and theres nothing that giving money out to everyone is going to do about that.
The government taking money from successful people to pay my rent cause I wanna stay home wont really change the amount of people killed in the end unfortunately

Estimate from the world health organization: 3.4%
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#who-03-03-20

Other places on that page go into detail about how it could be better than that but could actually be worse, it is hard to estimate. That said, let's assume it's 3.4%

That means if everybody gets it, 1 in 33 people WILL DIE. Ok, That's a BIG FUCKING DEAL.

Now please please step out of your corporate sicophant shoes for a second and let's get serious about what money can do. Money can make sure tests are ubiquitous, we don't need "some tests" we need a fuckton of tests. Currently the US has done 4,384 tests for a population of 327 million, in the UK they've done 24,900 tests for a population of 66 million, in South Korea they've had 100,000 tests for a population of 51 million:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-testing-numbers/607714/

We are lagging behind way too far on tests, and the more tests we have the better we can contain this. As it stands in the US the number of cases is doubling in matter of days. I know math isn't your strong suit considering you think 1% of people dying is no big deal, but consider this:
https://towardsdatascience.com/estimating-the-number-of-future-coronavirus-cases-in-the-united-states-a0ce17df029a

It is very likely by the 25th of march the number of cases is going to go from the current 1k to about 35k. And because this works with an exponential growth. That rate number is going to keep increasing.

What can stop that? People working from home. People staying at home. But many many jobs can't be done from home. That's where government money comes in. So again, you are very wrong. Testing and money directly to Americans so Americans stay at fucking home makes a big big difference. It will save thousands of lives.

1 final very important note about the "common flu", the flu is not as contagious and we have flu vaccines. So comparing this to the common flu is irresponsible.

I'm going to be blunt. You are talking with confidence from a place of ignorance. And normally society can indulge people speaking ignorant shit, but this is a fucking crisis, so look up data and know what you are talking about before you hem and haw about corporate money and obstruct a process than needs to be done to save lives.

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twitterfriends posted...

If the emergency bill doesnt help the Fortune 500, the Republicans wont pass it

If people hired thugs to rough up the republicans congresspeople until they did what's right for the country I wouldn't mind.

I really have lost all patience for greedy dumb people's bullshit. You had your infinity years, this is a crisis nut up and do the right thing.

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joe40001 posted...

If people hired thugs to rough up the republicans congresspeople until they did what's right for the country I wouldn't mind.

I really have lost all patience for greedy dumb people's bullshit. You had your infinity years, this is a crisis nut up and do the right thing.

Take a lap. If you're not too afraid to step outside your house.

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joe40001 posted...

Estimate from the world health organization: 3.4%
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#who-03-03-20

Other places on that page go into detail about how it could be better than that but could actually be worse, it is hard to estimate. That said, let's assume it's 3.4%

That means if everybody gets it, 1 in 33 people WILL DIE. Ok, That's a BIG FUCKING DEAL.

Now please please step out of your corporate sicophant shoes for a second and let's get serious about what money can do. Money can make sure tests are ubiquitous, we don't need "some tests" we need a fuckton of tests. Currently the US has done 4,384 tests for a population of 327 million, in the UK they've done 24,900 tests for a population of 66 million, in South Korea they've had 100,000 tests for a population of 51 million:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-testing-numbers/607714/

We are lagging behind way too far on tests, and the more tests we have the better we can contain this. As it stands in the US the number of cases is doubling in matter of days. I know math isn't your strong suit considering you think 1% of people dying is no big deal, but consider this:
https://towardsdatascience.com/estimating-the-number-of-future-coronavirus-cases-in-the-united-states-a0ce17df029a

It is very likely by the 25th of march the number of cases is going to go from the current 1k to about 35k. And because this works with an exponential growth. That rate number is going to keep increasing.

What can stop that? People working from home. People staying at home. But many many jobs can't be done from home. That's where government money comes in. So again, you are very wrong. Testing and money directly to Americans so Americans stay at fucking home makes a big big difference. It will save thousands of lives.

1 final very important note about the "common flu", the flu is not as contagious and we have flu vaccines. So comparing this to the common flu is irresponsible.

I'm going to be blunt. You are talking with confidence from a place of ignorance. And normally society can indulge people speaking ignorant shit, but this is a fucking crisis, so look up data and know what you are talking about before you hem and haw about corporate money and obstruct a process than needs to be done to save lives.

You keep driving home the point of saving lives when even using your inflated estimate of 3.4% the deathrrate is low. Why dont i see you making topics with this same energy urging people to lose weight or quit smoking ? The media has everyone panicking.

Even so 3.4% of the entire population isnt some world ending figure. It's bad news, I'm not arguing that. It's sad, absolutely. Will life go on afterwards? Yes - so take care of yourself and prepare. It's not in the governments interest to pay your bills or your landlord to just give you a free months rent.

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Just some quick math, iirc that CDC guy on Joe Rogan said about 50,000,000 people will probably need to be hospitalized.

Let's assume they're out of work for just one week and the average weekly pay of an American is $900~. That'd be $45,000,000,000 for just the one week (thats stretched across the whole period of course)

Bezos could step in and save the US. After he liquidated Amazon anyway...he'd be Jesus

1. Who the fuck cares if it's necessary?
2. 1k a month would be enough and it could be partially funded by a VAT
3. The bank bailout was 700 billion dollars and it was less of a crisis that this

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linid0t posted...

You keep driving home the point of saving lives when even using your inflated estimate of 3.4% the deathrrate is low. Why dont i see you making topics with this same energy urging people to lose weight or quit smoking ? The media has everyone panicking.

Even so 3.4% of the entire population isnt some world ending figure. It's bad news, I'm not arguing that. It's sad, absolutely. Will life go on afterwards? Yes - so take care of yourself and prepare. It's not in the governments interest to pay your bills or your landlord to just give you a free months rent.

Are you a fucking moron?

You are literally worrying more about people's bills that 3.4% of human life.

Well let's just hope you are part of the first batch to get it, because god knows the decent people among us could do a hell of a lot more to help people without ignorant evil shit from people like you clogging up the discussion.

I now advocate everybody block this user. They have demonstrated they have not capable of sanity let alone human fucking decency.

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I'm NOT advocating financial management over human life. I'm trying to warn everyone not to expect any real help from the government

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I've seen morons before. But I don't think I've ever encountered a corporate bootlicking puppet so fucking ignorant, evil, and stupid as to literally value bills and rent over 3.4% of the human population.

Good fucking riddance, JFC.

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If the mortality rate is "only" 3.4%, why does Italy have a rate nearly double that?
:thinking:

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Ivynn posted...

Honestly, I don't think it's that. They just don't want Democrats to get a single win.

If a Republican made this bill, it'd probably pass no problem.

This is correct.

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Soul_Devour posted...

If the mortality rate is "only" 3.4%, why does Italy have a rate nearly double that?
:thinking:

I'm pretty sure the 3.4% is an estimate based off of global data available at the time. It does not mean some countries can't have higher or lower mortality rate than 3.4%.

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The Fed said it would offer at least $1.5 trillion worth of short-term loans to banks today and tomorrow
https://nyti.ms/2W75myb

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The "new generation" includes people like Matt Gaetz, Ben Sasse, Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, Rubio, Cruz...I don't think that'd go exactly the way you think it would
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