Current Events > Alabama to ban transgender surgeries and hormone blockers for teenagers.

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Cornmuffins posted...

Who is that guy anyway

An account that will not be active by the time I get home tonight.
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tigerslashII posted...

Invalidate their experiences like the broken record you are.

Well yeah. If a person says a transgender person did/said this and it doesnt fit his generalizations of them hes going to say that person is lying. Because hes only trying to win an internet argument. Hes been trolling this thread from the get go and probably 50% of this threads posts are his.

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shockthemonkey posted...

...do you think post-pubescent people need puberty blockers?

You're being hyperliteral

theres s reasonable difference between a 5 year old and 15 year old even though both are pre-pubscent
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Not surprised to see thanos still coming in with the worst takes lol

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're being hyperliteral

theres s reasonable difference between a 5 year old and 15 year old even though both are pre-pubscent

I was definitely pubescent by the time I was 15. Were most of y'all late bloomers? Puberty starts as young as ten these days.

shockthemonkey posted...

Oh, I just didnt know that you meant 5 year olds. My bad. People had been using children to mean minors in a lot of posts ITT so I assumed you were too.

That's fair

I should have specified because I like you have used children to mean under 18s in this topic.

My question is that if 18 isnt the age limit, what is?

If a baby is born as a girl and as a 5 year old says that they are a boy and for the sake of argument you completely believe their conviction. Is it time to start hormone blockers and reassignment treatments?

If not then when is the age? 11?

As another user said, often puberty happens early.
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Machete posted...

An account that will not be active by the time I get home tonight.

Aaaand suspended.
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AR15_From_FFVII posted...

Are there DNA markers that can prove that its a real condition and not just the child being coerced by rotten adults with agendas?

Are there DNA markers that prove depression is a real condition? Do you believe no one under 18 can be depresed?

We're way past whether or not being trans is a real condition. This isn't something that people started feeling 5 years ago. Why do people keep up this shit?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Are there DNA markers that prove depression is a real condition? Do you believe no one under 18 can be depresed?

We're way past whether or not being trans is a real condition. This isn't something that people started feeling 5 years ago. Why do people keep up this shit?

I don't think anyone is denying that the conditions exists, they're concerned about the treatments on children.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't think anyone is denying that the conditions exists, they're concerned about the treatments on children.

On what basis?

ElatedVenusaur posted...

On what basis?

Bhwa?

The basis that has been discussed at length throughout the topic

Can they consent?
What if they change their mind later?
What if there is irreversible damage?
What if there is reversible damage?
Does it actually help them?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Bhwa?

The basis that has been discussed at length throughout the topic

Can they consent?
What if they change their mind later?
What if there is irreversible damage?
What if there is reversible damage?
Does it actually help them?

Yes, with informed decisions from medical professionals
They stop taking puberty blockers/HRT
Going through a dysphoric puberty is irreversible damage
Then reverse it?
Yes, tremendously

Cowthief posted...

Oh boy it's another topic where half of CE ends up warned or suspended

good riddance

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MudKip_Master posted...

I'd hate for a youth to go through something irreversible.

Woudnt you?

here's the actual process of transitioning.

https://www.webmd.com/parenting/what-is-transitioning
"Starting at the first signs of the changes -- around 10 years old for girls, and 11 for boys -- doctors can prescribe hormone blockers, which are injections or implants that keep the body from releasing estrogen or testosterone. ... But the effects of the medication are reversible.

Hormone blockers have been tested and safely used for decades on kids who start puberty too young.

The Endocrine Society recommends that kids start taking these hormones [cross sex hormones] around age 16, but doctors will start them as early as 13 or 14.

Gender-affirming surgery is an option for older teens and young adults. ... The Endocrine Society recommends that they wait until age 18, but because more kids are transitioning at younger ages, some doctors are doing these surgeries earlier on a case-by-case basis."

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Fair
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Wewillrocku posted...

The Endocrine Society recommends that kids start taking these hormones [cross sex hormones] around age 16, but doctors will start them as early as 13 or 14.

erm
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How long do they have to keep using hormone blockers?

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shnangyboos posted...

How long do they have to keep using hormone blockers?

see post 169.

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Unless it's in the link, I don't see how long they stay on them.

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you can do the math from the ages listed.

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So they start at like 13, and keep taking them until they're 18? Do they just go through puberty at 18 if they stop at that point and don't transition further?

Direct answers would be more useful.

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Government shouldn't be funding any of this surgery.

Especially not for children not mature and old enough to understand.

consult your doctor.

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Ah yes

Nothing greater than transphobic trolling getting a bunch of shitty alts suspended or warned

CE really needs a higher karma limit, or to stop taking new accounts all together
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Ah yes

Nothing greater than transphobic trolling getting a bunch of shitty alts suspended or warned

CE really needs a higher karma limit, or to stop taking new accounts all together

it already has a karma limit
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shnangyboos posted...

So they start at like 13, and keep taking them until they're 18? Do they just go through puberty at 18 if they stop at that point and don't transition further?

Direct answers would be more useful.

you probably won't get one

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He told me to consult my doctor.

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shnangyboos posted...

He told me to consult my doctor.

right, not a direct answer. they defend it and give that same answer, puberty blockers are reversible, they're safe, etc, but never actually care to explain how it's reversed and how development continues, and it what pace.

the real answer is that kids should be left alone to grow up and come into their own, naturally

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Yeah, I suspect the answer is yes, they'd go through puberty at 18, which is going to make selling the idea that it's entirely reversible hard. However, I'm not too knowledgeable about all this, so I figured I'd ask.

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shnangyboos posted...

However, I'm not too knowledgeable about all this, so I figured I'd ask.

somehow i get the feeling no one here really is, call it a hunch

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viewmaster_pi posted...

somehow i get the feeling no one here really is, call it a hunch

no one is claiming to be an expert
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shnangyboos posted...

Yeah, I suspect the answer is yes, they'd go through puberty at 18, which is going to make selling the idea that it's entirely reversible hard. However, I'm not too knowledgeable about all this, so I figured I'd ask.

How is that a "hard sell"? The blockers are literally reversible because you can just go through puberty when you stop them.

_Rinku_ posted...

How is that a "hard sell"? The blockers are literally reversible because you can just go through puberty when you stop them.

shnangy can't read very well, it's all written in the post i made earlier.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

no one is claiming to be an expert

i didn't say anyone thought they were an expert, i said no one knows about it at all, other than linking articles they skimmed through after just googling it

i personally think everyone defending it is full of shit without any experience with it themselves, and they're going to say anything to fight for their side's viewpoint

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i personally think everyone defending it is full of shit

you're free to think that about transgender people and their friends, especially if the moderators don't think it's bad!

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Wewillrocku posted...

you're free to think that about transgender people and their friends, especially if the moderators don't think it's bad!

i specifically called out people who aren't trans as the ones talking out of their asses, don't put words in my mouth like a little weasel

although by now, it's obvious that "weasel" is kind of just the far left ceman's modus operandi

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again, free to think whatever you want, but you keep those thoughts to yourself.

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Wewillrocku posted...

again, free to think whatever you want, but you keep those thoughts to yourself.

oh shut the fuck up, if you want to censor me and any points of view counter to yours, you'll have to rally more of your team to mass mark me so the mods can do it for you

or you can do me a favor and go back to blocking me, lol

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if you think i'm alt left that says a lot.

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idk what alt left is, there's just this threshold of "leftness" people pass where suddenly they're insufferable about everything

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shockthemonkey posted...

Yeah man the people who are citing doctors and trans people are the ones who are full of shit

"citing transgenders" is a little dubious since they are split on this too

it's like talking about abortion and citing women. not hard to find people who will agree with any stance you like.

I know trans people who are opposed to under 18s transitioning
I know others who not only approve it but want it government funded
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Why do you attack people every time you don't have a counterpoint?

it's really jarring
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