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RchHomieQuanChi
03/04/20 12:43:28 AM
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Thanks, Southerners

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ThyCorndog
03/04/20 12:43:42 AM
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Solid Snake07
03/04/20 12:48:11 AM
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You really think if bernie cant win the democratic nomination he has an ice cubes chance in hell of winning a general election?

I get a lot of you are disappointed but you need to get a grip in reality.

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Broseph_Stalin
03/04/20 12:50:23 AM
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Bernie has been under-performing everywhere but yes blame "southerners" (just say black people)
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RchHomieQuanChi
03/04/20 12:50:47 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
You really think if bernie cant win the democratic nomination he has an ice cubes chance in hell of winning a general election?

I get a lot of you are disappointed but you need to get a grip in reality.

Most Democrats just want Trump out of office, so they'll vote for whoever wins the nomination.

On the other hand, Biden doesn't exactly inspire people to go out and vote. His base is mostly made up of people who don't expect Bernie to win, but really don't want Trump in office. He's the "safe" candidate.

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Damn_Underscore
03/04/20 12:53:37 AM
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Swing states like Virginia and NC really show what Bernie's success in the general election would be.

If Bernie does really well in California he could still have a chance at winning, but how can you not expect states like Florida, Georgia, PA, Ohio, etc. not to vote for Biden at this point? Not to mention to Democratic stronghold states that voted for Hillary in 2016.
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RchHomieQuanChi
03/04/20 12:54:14 AM
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It's also worth noting that most of Biden's key victories have been in red states, so there's no telling if his support there will mean anything in the general election.

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Perascamin
03/04/20 12:54:33 AM
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Just wait for the North

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Zikten
03/04/20 12:57:02 AM
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Perascamin posted...
Just wait for the North
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DundiesAward
03/04/20 12:58:17 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bernie has been under-performing everywhere but yes blame "southerners" (just say black people)


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JBaLLEN66
03/04/20 12:59:02 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's also worth noting that most of Biden's key victories have been in red states, so there's no telling if his support there will mean anything in the general election.

because Minnesota and Massachusetts are so red bro

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brestugo
03/04/20 12:59:10 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Most Democrats just want Trump out of office, so they'll vote for whoever wins the nomination.

On the other hand, Biden doesn't exactly inspire people to go out and vote. His base is mostly made up of people who don't expect Bernie to win, but really don't want Trump in office. He's the "safe" candidate.
Turnout is much higher than 2016. As much as 68% higher in some places.

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pistachio12
03/04/20 1:00:45 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's also worth noting that most of Biden's key victories have been in red states, so there's no telling if his support there will mean anything in the general election.

From 538:

GEOFFREY SKELLEY 12:47 AM
On the other end of the spectrum, Sanders won 51 percent in his home state of Vermont. In 2016, he won 86 percent there and managed to keep Clinton below 15 percent. But Biden managed to clear the 15 percent threshold there with 22 percent.

Biden is surprisingly doing really well all over the place.

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josifrees
03/04/20 1:40:40 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
You really think if bernie cant win the democratic nomination he has an ice cubes chance in hell of winning a general election?

I get a lot of you are disappointed but you need to get a grip in reality.

A lot of Bernies policies would be attractive to republican base


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Middle hope
03/04/20 1:54:25 AM
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Why did Bernie pander to well of college kids so much? It also seems like he just wanted their money and didnt care about an actual real election

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josifrees
03/04/20 2:09:33 AM
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affordable education is not pandering to college kids. Its pandering to the low and middle class of today and the future who bear the brunt of the cost of expensive secondary education. Whose gonna pay for your kids education? Wouldnt you rather have that money for yourself than give it to a diploma mill?

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Unsugarized_Foo
03/04/20 2:11:47 AM
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josifrees posted...
A lot of Bernies policies would be attractive to republican base

Like?

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Broseph_Stalin
03/04/20 2:13:50 AM
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josifrees posted...
affordable education is not pandering to college kids. Its pandering to the low and middle class of today and the future who bear the brunt of the cost of expensive secondary education. Whose gonna pay for your kids education? Wouldnt you rather have that money for yourself than give it to a diploma mill?

A college degree has never been more profitable than it is today. It pays for itself many times over. Just because Bernie is doing it doesn't mean it isn't pandering, he's a politician.
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cjsdowg
03/04/20 2:16:54 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bernie has been under-performing everywhere but yes blame "southerners" (just say black people)

OLD black people .

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pistachio12
03/04/20 2:18:42 AM
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josifrees posted...
A lot of Bernies policies would be attractive to republican base

That's not the talking point for Sanders' supporters because that won't work. There may be some policies that are attractive to Republicans, but most of his policies are the antithesis of what Republicans want. My father, a life-long republican, would never vote for Sanders or Warren. He probably wouldn't vote for Biden either, but he would stomach it more than Sanders.

And the "_________'s policies would be attractive to [the] republican base" is the talking point of so many candidates: Biden, Bloomberg, Yang, etc. People are delusional if they think they're going to get Republicans to vote for someone with a D next to their name. Trump has over 90% support from Republicans - he's not losing that base.
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josifrees
03/04/20 2:39:19 AM
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Trump has 90% support of his base because GOP is not offering alternatives and they have no reason to. The difference between Bernie and these guys saying they have cross aisle ideology is that Bernie actually has a track record of doing these things while on most of the topics talked about most of the other candidates have either no voting record or a bad voting record. Youre father wont vote for a D because they are disingenuous but he might vote for an I, which Bernie is.

The main topics that the republican base are supposedly worried about, immigration and jobs, Bernie voted against NAFTA and our various Chinese trade dealsthe very things that have killed all our non-service industries. His immigration policy has consistently been strengthen border security, Americanize the undocumented and let Americans be with their families. He is not about open borders.

The thing is it doesnt really matter what anyones policies are, the constituents arent being objective they are toddlers fighting over whether red or blue is the best color

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Tyranthraxus
03/04/20 2:51:05 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bernie has been under-performing everywhere but yes blame "southerners" (just say black people)
He literally crushed everything before super Tuesday except SC.

He also won things today as well including the super important California.

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Infost
03/04/20 3:01:10 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bernie has been under-performing everywhere but yes blame "southerners" (just say black people)

He lost southern whites too dude. Stop being lame.
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Broseph_Stalin
03/04/20 3:04:48 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
He literally crushed everything before super Tuesday except SC.

He won one state before super tuesday lmao

He's performs below polling and hasn't done a good job expanding his base since 2016.
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josifrees
03/04/20 3:18:09 AM
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Polls are basically garbage anymore arent they? Sounds like nobody learned

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brestugo
03/04/20 4:20:59 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
He literally crushed everything before super Tuesday except SC.


He won 2 caucuses, which really shouldn't count if you understand how caucuses work. Jesse fucking Jackson won 5 caucuses. They're unrepresentative and undemocratic. And he won New Hampshire which is demographically unrepresentative and in his back yard.

Warts and all SC is more representatve than NH. And the turnout on Super Tuesday was beyond anything in 2016.

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JBaLLEN66
03/04/20 4:49:13 AM
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brestugo posted...
He won 2 caucuses, which really shouldn't count if you understand how caucuses work. Jesse fucking Jackson won 5 caucuses. They're unrepresentative and undemocratic. And he won New Hampshire which is demographically unrepresentative and in his back yard.

Warts and all SC is more representatve than NH. And the turnout on Super Tuesday was beyond anything in 2016.

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ThunderTrain
03/04/20 5:38:21 AM
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The south is giving us 4 more years of Trump

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Kerred
03/04/20 6:04:29 AM
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Latest results in Utah:

Bernie with 60,000 votes. Trump with 275,000 votes. Unless someone can convince 200,000+ adults to vote, looks like Trump has an easy win. I wager Mitt Romney (who voted to impeach) will back Trump if the church and state don't find a way to boot Romney out. Mike Lee seems to support Trump again. Mormons will most likely push for Trump unless the head of the church dies and the new influencer was secretly behind another party or something. Not sure how the mormon leadership works.

There are 480,000 unaffiliated voters in Utah as well and 200,000 democrats, but as far as i know there are no demographics about unaffiliated voters. So its unknown if bizarre situations like Bernie can win if only college students actually voted are a possibility.

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Wolf_J_Flywheel
03/04/20 6:29:09 AM
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Its amazing that Biden gets the black vote, being one of the last segregationist still remaining now that Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd are dead.

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pistachio12
03/04/20 8:40:01 AM
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josifrees posted...
Trump has 90% support of his base because GOP is not offering alternatives and they have no reason to. The difference between Bernie and these guys saying they have cross aisle ideology is that Bernie actually has a track record of doing these things while on most of the topics talked about most of the other candidates have either no voting record or a bad voting record. Youre father wont vote for a D because they are disingenuous but he might vote for an I, which Bernie is.

It has nothing to do with GOP offering alternatives. Anytime someone in the GOP establishment turns against Trump, right-wing media and Republicans turn on that person. I think you are severely underestimating the amount of support Trump has from his constituents.

And my father could vote for an I, but it is nothing like the I that Bernie is. It would have to be like a Bloomberg "I". Again, you are making assumptions about Republicans not based in any reality. The strength in the Republican voting block is their belief that they will support anybody with an R next to the name.

The main topics that the republican base are supposedly worried about, immigration and jobs, Bernie voted against NAFTA and our various Chinese trade dealsthe very things that have killed all our non-service industries. His immigration policy has consistently been strengthen border security, Americanize the undocumented and let Americans be with their families. He is not about open borders.

Bernie does line up with Trump on trade issues. Bernie does not come close to lining up with Trump on immigration issues. Bernie has said he would support decriminilization of crossing the border and giving free healthcare to illegal immigrants (and other Democrats did say that too and they are issues I agree with). Trump supporters hate those comments.

And on almost every other issue, Bernie is on the opposite spectrum of Trump: healthcare, education, climate change, alternative fuel sources, abortion rights, gun control, etc.

Why would Republicans vote for someone who they agree with on trade, but disagree with on almost everything else, when they already have Trump with whom they agree with on trade and almost everything else? Those are not the voters you are trying to win over.

The thing is it doesnt really matter what anyones policies are, the constituents arent being objective they are toddlers fighting over whether red or blue is the best color

This is a completely different discussion then and when that has been repeated ad nauseam. We all understand the irony of the lower class supporting Republicans who continue to make it harder for them to get out of the lower class. But we are talking about how actual people vote, not the ideological way people should vote.
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Vicious_Dios
03/04/20 8:43:36 AM
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All this talk about us Southerners has me craving a good ol' fashioned country hearty breakfast.

I love it.

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Southernfatman
03/04/20 8:47:01 AM
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You're welcome.

Actually not really since I'm a Bernie supporter. The south though.......I'm sure some people wonder why I'm so bitter and angry.

Vicious_Dios posted... All this talk about us Southerners has me craving a good ol' fashioned country hearty breakfast.

I love it.


Nothin like it.

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Romes187
03/04/20 8:49:53 AM
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Nobody likes socialism and thats how he branded himself so whoopsie

the only people that want bernies world are losers and rich guilty people

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Vermander
03/04/20 8:55:22 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
A college degree has never been more profitable than it is today. It pays for itself many times over. Just because Bernie is doing it doesn't mean it isn't pandering, he's a politician.

I hope you arent serious.


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Sackgurl
03/04/20 9:15:06 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
A college degree has never been more profitable than it is today. It pays for itself many times over.

while the latter part of his statement is true, the current trend is sideways

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/06/10/new-data-show-economic-value-earning-bachelors-degree-remains-high

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Taharqa_
03/04/20 9:20:50 AM
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Instead of being in Selma on the 55th anniversary of Bloody Sunday Bernie was campaigning in California. People take note of things like that. If you want people to vote for you then you have to show up and be visible, don't leave it to surrogates

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Tyranthraxus
03/04/20 10:00:15 AM
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Vermander posted...
I hope you arent serious.
He's correct as long as you're not getting your degree from some for-profit college that just robs you of 300k and gives your the back of a Chinese take out menu for your diploma.

Also varies what you get your degree in.

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Skye Reynolds
03/04/20 10:06:53 AM
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Spooking posted...
Bernie also lost this way back in 2016 against Hillary. Everybody went for Hillary and everybody is going for Joe. Radial solutions is not something your average American wants.

But don't they know everything will be free under Bernie Sanders?
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Cheater87
03/04/20 10:08:12 AM
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Cold War propaganda is remembered by many.

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Shadowplay
03/04/20 11:14:00 AM
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Spooking posted...
Bernie also lost this way back in 2016 against Hillary. Everybody went for Hillary and everybody is going for Joe. Radial solutions is not something your average American wants.
Bernie is not even radical; he's a pretty generic center left politician.

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Ving_Rhames
03/04/20 11:14:59 AM
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The South screwed something up

news at 11

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Broseph_Stalin
03/04/20 4:58:01 PM
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Vermander posted...
I hope you arent serious.

I'm very serious. The college degree wage premium is at an all time high, a college education is the best investment you could ever make:

https://www.bls.gov/emp/chart-unemployment-earnings-education.htm

Bernie and Warren proposed free college for no other reason than vote buying. Young college students are a key demographic for a progressive candidate.
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Vermander
03/04/20 6:01:09 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
I'm very serious. The college degree wage premium is at an all time high, a college education is the best investment you could ever make:

https://www.bls.gov/emp/chart-unemployment-earnings-education.htm

Bernie and Warren proposed free college for no other reason than vote buying. Young college students are a key demographic for a progressive candidate.

College degrees are the new high school diploma.


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