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Garioshi
02/27/20 6:09:13 AM
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https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/educational-resources/this-is-treason

He extended the war and human suffering for 7 years so he could win an election. For the record, he started the War on Drugs to suppress the overwhelming anti-war sentiment so he could have Vietnam as an election issue in 1972. Nixon legitimately may be the worst human being elected President.

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Kaiganeer
02/27/20 6:10:17 AM
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that's just politics tho
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ultimate reaver
02/27/20 6:12:17 AM
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Nixon is among the most flagrantly inhuman presidents ever

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Garioshi
02/27/20 7:56:30 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
Nixon is among the most flagrantly inhuman presidents ever
His Secretary of State also has the dubious honor of having a body count not too far from that of Hitler and Stalin.

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Garioshi
02/27/20 9:08:47 AM
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bump, people need to know this shit

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scar the 1
02/27/20 9:14:34 AM
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I'm surprised (well not really surprised) this isn't common knowledge

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MeltyAlert
02/27/20 9:17:29 AM
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What is this? High School History class?

Can you name one person on this board who thinks Nixon was a good President? I'll wait lmfao

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Foppe
02/27/20 9:21:19 AM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
He seemed to do ok on Futurama.
Didnt he ban cartoons in Futurama?

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Garioshi
02/27/20 9:28:12 AM
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MeltyAlert posted...
What is this? High School History class?
I didn't learn this in any history class, including AP US History.

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Letron_James
02/27/20 9:30:28 AM
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MeltyAlert posted...
What is this? High School History class?

Can you name one person on this board who thinks Nixon was a good President? I'll wait lmfao

He actually wasn't too bad in a lot of ways but his negatives way outweighed his positives

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Kazi1212
02/27/20 9:32:24 AM
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If it wasnt for Nixon, I would be dead by now, I owe him my life

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Southernfatman
02/27/20 9:36:51 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPo7e59JXlc

But seriously fuck him and Kissinger and their other cohorts and defenders.

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Garioshi
02/27/20 9:37:32 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
If it wasnt for Nixon, I would be dead by now, I owe him my life
If it wasn't for Nixon and Henry Kissinger, 8 million people would still be alive.

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ElatedVenusaur
02/27/20 9:38:41 AM
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And Henry Kissinger is a revered elder statesman. Tells you everything you need to know about this country.
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legendary_zell
02/27/20 9:42:13 AM
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I posted a topic about this a few months ago after watching a Vietnam documentary. The fact that we ever elected such a ghoul is one of the best arguments against democracy. This dude was a historic sociopath and power junkie. We're still dealing with the erosion of trust and other consequences caused by the underhanded stuff this guy pulled. If you take into account the consequences, the personal moral character and the people he surrounded himself with, he's at best the second worst President we've had. Again, it's terrifying that we ever placed a human like this in power.

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MeltyAlert
02/27/20 9:45:17 AM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
And Henry Kissinger is a revered elder statesman. Tells you everything you need to know about this country.

This country is fine. Sure, there are some horrible dark pages in its history, but uh...what country doesn't have bad pages in its history? Go ahead, name them.

We do our best to right the wrongs of the past. We can't control what some of the forefathers did to minorities. Best we can do is help them going forward; to which we have done some great things. Not everyone has been helped, however and we still need to improve going forward, absolutely.

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teepan95
02/27/20 9:46:42 AM
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MeltyAlert posted...
This country is fine

Naaahhh

Y'all don't even let cashiers sit
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tremain07
02/27/20 9:53:42 AM
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I thought it was pretty much an open secret that Americans don't care about electing bastards so long as the bastard works for us and even if they don't they still elect them because the other guy is just as bad but not as amusing Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Trump have hurt tons and tons of people people and shaped the country in ways that will never truly go away because people in power make too much money from it, like Nixon's drug war, Bush pushing us into a forever war, Reagan's rich corporate power grabs, Trump for increasing those power grabs even bigger and better than they were in his era, Obama and Clinton extending them

They're the reason we have an establishment and why both sides are double teaming Sanders hard

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Foppe
02/27/20 10:12:27 AM
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Garioshi posted...
If it wasn't for Nixon and Henry Kissinger, 8 million people would still be alive.
And how many did he save with EPA, the National Cancer Act, the New Economic Policy, the Philadelphia Plan, Title IX, Desegregation, and easing the Cold War tensions?

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E32005
02/27/20 10:22:09 AM
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Foppe posted...

And how many did he save with EPA, the National Cancer Act, the New Economic Policy, the Philadelphia Plan, Title IX, Desegregation, and easing the Cold War tensions?

not 8 million

jfc

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Garioshi
02/27/20 11:01:45 AM
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I just realized that Trump is 1 of 2 Republican Presidents in the last 60 or so years to be elected without using extremely underhanded tactics, and HW Bush is certainly no saint. He had a sprawling list of war crimes, did tons of shady shit for the CIA, was involved in pretty much every Republican scandal since Eisenhower got into office, helped undermine the 2000 election, and was a beneficiary from Nazi slave labor. Trump is arguably the least integrally compromised Republican President for over hald a century.

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Garioshi
02/27/20 11:02:51 AM
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MeltyAlert posted...
We do our best to right the wrongs of the past.
Henry Kissinger hasn't been hanged yet, so we clearly aren't doing our best.

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ledbowman
02/27/20 11:03:32 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
I'm surprised (well not really surprised) this isn't common knowledge

It is

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scar the 1
02/27/20 11:09:27 AM
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ledbowman posted...
It is
Not as common as it should be

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Rexdragon125
02/27/20 11:11:20 AM
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If it weren't for Nixon being impeached, Fox news wouldn't exist

He set republicans on the course of becoming cartoon villains
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Machete
02/27/20 11:25:12 AM
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Wow that is a very donald trump thing to do. richard "dick" "penis" nixon was trump before trump was trump.
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Garioshi
02/27/20 3:20:53 PM
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Machete posted...
Wow that is a very donald trump thing to do. richard "dick" "penis" nixon was trump before trump was trump.
No, it's a step above Trump.

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Alpha218
02/27/20 3:24:02 PM
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Garioshi posted...
I just realized that Trump is 1 of 2 Republican Presidents in the last 60 or so years to be elected without using extremely underhanded tactics
He literally called for Russia to hack his opponent.

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Garioshi
02/27/20 3:27:18 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
He literally called for Russia to hack his opponent.
He didn't prolong a war and unknown amounts of human suffering for 7 fucking years to get elected and reelected. I hate Trump, but he's small potatoes compared to previous Presidents.

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brestugo
02/27/20 3:33:46 PM
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This is known. Not widely enough, though, I guess.

Some of the people involved in the Paris talks for Nixon in 1968 probably also meddled on Reagan's behalf in the hostage talks with Iran in 1980. The hostages were released 20 minutes after Reagan was sworn in.

Look up October Surprise (1980).

Reagan shipped arms to Iran a few months later as part of what would eventually be called Iran-Contra.

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Wewillrocku
02/27/20 3:34:43 PM
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Garioshi posted...
I didn't learn this in any history class, including AP US History.
lol...

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Omnislasher
02/27/20 3:35:01 PM
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Yes. This should be much more widely known
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brestugo
02/27/20 3:38:18 PM
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The deal that was signed in 1972 was exactly the same as the 1968 one too. It ignored thousands of MIA/POW taken in the intervening years. That's why you had all those movies later about Rambo, or Chuck Norris or whoever going to Southeast Asia to rescue POWs in the 1980s. Everyone knew those guys were out there still and that America abandoned them.

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ElatedVenusaur
02/27/20 3:40:31 PM
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Garioshi posted...
He didn't prolong a war and unknown amounts of human suffering for 7 fucking years to get elected and reelected. I hate Trump, but he's small potatoes compared to previous Presidents.
This. Trump is just loud and painfully obviously a corrupt idiot. Reagan and the Bushes were just better at playing the part, and Nixon was actually really smart, he was just a total sociopathic monster.
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Garioshi
02/27/20 7:09:00 PM
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brestugo posted...
The deal that was signed in 1972 was exactly the same as the 1968 one too. It ignored thousands of MIA/POW taken in the intervening years. That's why you had all those movies later about Rambo, or Chuck Norris or whoever going to Southeast Asia to rescue POWs in the 1980s. Everyone knew those guys were out there still and that America abandoned them.
Fucking disgusting.

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Garioshi
02/27/20 8:40:50 PM
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bump, people need to know this shit

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HBKick18
02/27/20 8:45:05 PM
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I think this was talked about in the Ken Burna Vietnam War doc.

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Foppe
02/28/20 4:35:47 AM
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E32005 posted...
not 8 million

jfc

pathetic
So give us a number of how many that would have died if it had been allowed to flush down radioactive waste in the sewers, no cancer research, a big economic crash in 1987, less gender equality, a segregation civil war and a more heated cold war.

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scar the 1
02/28/20 9:34:20 AM
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Foppe posted...
So give us a number of how many that would have died if it had been allowed to flush down radioactive waste in the sewers, no cancer research, a big economic crash in 1987, less gender equality, a segregation civil war and a more heated cold war.
Is that really a proper dichotomy? Like are you really arguing that those things wouldn't have happened without genocide?

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coolboy11
02/28/20 10:26:57 AM
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Vietnam was an inhumane clusterfuck all the way around.

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E32005
02/28/20 10:28:16 AM
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scar the 1 posted...

Is that really a proper dichotomy? Like are you really arguing that those things wouldn't have happened without genocide?

i'm pretty sure he isnt even american
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scar the 1
02/28/20 11:11:56 AM
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E32005 posted...
i'm pretty sure he isnt even american
He's not but I'm not sure what that's got to do with anything. I'm not either

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Guide
02/28/20 11:14:07 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
If it wasnt for Nixon, I would be dead by now, I owe him my life
Story time?

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02fran
02/29/20 7:10:14 PM
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Garioshi posted...
His Secretary of State also has the dubious honor of having a body count not too far from that of Hitler and Stalin.
Why do you say that?
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Garioshi
02/29/20 7:13:02 PM
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02fran posted...
Why do you say that?
Because he does?

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02fran
02/29/20 7:13:21 PM
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Whatd he do?
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PrettyBoyFloyd
02/29/20 7:19:16 PM
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True Story: Jackie and President Richard Nixon once met for a scotch-fueled bull session and at the end of the evening Gleason swore he could barely stagger from the room while Nixon walked out as straight as a soldier.

Which suggests that either Nixon was a helluva boozer (considering Jackies capacity) or, as Hunter S. Thompson often claimed, was in league with the Devil.

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Garioshi
02/29/20 7:25:18 PM
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02fran posted...
Whatd he do?
Operation Popeye (washing away entire villages in Vietnam), Operation Phoenix (assassinating South Vietnamese leaders), Operation Condor (toppling a fuckton of democratically elected South American regimes and replacing them with fascist dictators), expanding the Vietnam War into Cambodia and Laos (leading to Pol Pot and his genocide), selling weapons to Yahya Khan to commit genocide in Bangladesh, among others.

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ScazarMeltex
02/29/20 7:40:32 PM
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MeltyAlert posted...
This country is fine. Sure, there are some horrible dark pages in its history, but uh...what country doesn't have bad pages in its history? Go ahead, name them.

We do our best to right the wrongs of the past. We can't control what some of the forefathers did to minorities. Best we can do is help them going forward; to which we have done some great things. Not everyone has been helped, however and we still need to improve going forward, absolutely.
The only thing that could right that particular wrong would be to turn Kissinger over for war crimes prosecution. Did we? Of course not. We aren't interested righting wrongs.

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