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Balrog0 02/20/20 5:35:41 PM #251:	COVxy posted... idk, I think I value being able to answer questions about the things you've thought about... sorry bro. there's no reason to apologize, we all have biases --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:934654553] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>idk, I think I value being able to answer questions about the things you've thought about... sorry bro.</quote> there's no reason to apologize, we all have biases </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/20/20 5:36:14 PM #252:	shockthemonkey posted... This conversation reminds me of how, after claiming that every Democrat would be essentially the same as president, COVxy could not answer why beyond pivoting to Trumps inability to pass legislation. So its curious to see him continue to slam Bernie for not being as good as Warren for this reason in particular. Oh, Bernie is my second choice, and I think I would be fine with Warren, Bernie, or Biden, for the reason that our governmental system severely hamstrings any of these candidates to the point where I think policy likely ceilings at Biden. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:934654575] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>This conversation reminds me of how, after claiming that every Democrat would be essentially the same as president, COVxy could not answer why beyond pivoting to Trumps inability to pass legislation. So its curious to see him continue to slam Bernie for not being as good as Warren for this reason in particular.</quote> Oh, Bernie is my second choice, and I think I would be fine with Warren, Bernie, or Biden, for the reason that our governmental system severely hamstrings any of these candidates to the point where I think policy likely ceilings at Biden. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/20/20 5:38:03 PM #253:	Balrog0 posted... Yes and I understand exactly why you feel that way. I'm just saying you've given pretty thin reasons to actually think its true. I mean, do you want primary citations from cog. psych showing that responses to remembered items are faster than responses to nonremembered items? It's, like, a very basic finding. Not really something I imagine you're actually contesting here. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:934654641] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Yes and I understand exactly why you feel that way. I'm just saying you've given pretty thin reasons to actually think its true.</quote> I mean, do you want primary citations from cog. psych showing that responses to remembered items are faster than responses to nonremembered items? It's, like, a very basic finding. Not really something I imagine you're actually contesting here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/20/20 5:40:47 PM #254:	COVxy posted... I mean, do you want primary citations from cog. psych showing that responses to remembered items are faster than responses to nonremembered items? It's, like, a very basic finding. Not really something I imagine you're actually contesting here. no, because I never said that part wasn't true lol you're just digging in your heels the way you're always accusing others of doing, I think in most contexts you would pretty readily admit that someone who knows more isn't always the person who is best at speaking about it --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:934654739] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, do you want primary citations from cog. psych showing that responses to remembered items are faster than responses to nonremembered items? It's, like, a very basic finding. Not really something I imagine you're actually contesting here.</quote> no, because I never said that part wasn't true lol you're just digging in your heels the way you're always accusing others of doing, I think in most contexts you would pretty readily admit that someone who knows more isn't always the person who is best at speaking about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/20/20 5:50:51 PM #255:	Balrog0 posted... no, because I never said that part wasn't true lol you're just digging in your heels the way you're always accusing others of doing, I think in most contexts you would pretty readily admit that someone who knows more isn't always the person who is best at speaking about it Not always, and I didn't say that was the case, but the relationship is certainly there, and usually pretty strong. And in the case of a presidential candidate, where it's really the only way I can see [any] evidence of the candidate's actual thoughts, it seems relatively important. It just seems like people Bernie doesn't need to be good at this shit, because we know he's good. But, you know what, I want our president to be able to think on his or her feet. Seems like quick decision making is one of the most hazardous responsibilities we give the president. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:934655152] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>no, because I never said that part wasn't true lol you're just digging in your heels the way you're always accusing others of doing, I think in most contexts you would pretty readily admit that someone who knows more isn't always the person who is best at speaking about it</quote> Not always, and I didn't say that was the case, but the relationship is certainly there, and usually pretty strong. And in the case of a presidential candidate, where it's really the only way I can see [any] evidence of the candidate's actual thoughts, it seems relatively important. It just seems like people Bernie doesn't need to be good at this shit, because we know he's good. But, you know what, I want our president to be able to think on his or her feet. Seems like quick decision making is one of the most hazardous responsibilities we give the president. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 02/20/20 6:08:27 PM #257:	one person being a better speaker than another person means nothing. you learn nothing about a person by how good of a speaker they are, except of how good of a speaker they are. anything else is an assumption --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:934655917] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>one person being a better speaker than another person means nothing. you learn nothing about a person by how good of a speaker they are, except of how good of a speaker they are. anything else is an assumption </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/20/20 6:26:47 PM #258:	COVxy posted... It just seems like people Bernie doesn't need to be good at this s*, because we know he's good. But, you know what, I want our president to be able to think on his or her feet. Seems like quick decision making is one of the most hazardous responsibilities we give the president. I'm just not really sure that debates are a good metric to determine how quick people are on their feet, at least in terms of their answers to the moderators' direct questions. Few questions in the debate are "surprises". Like Bloomberg did a job, but I'm not sure there was a good answer he could have given to Warren's attack on the NDAs if he wasn't actually willing to release them. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:934656710] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>It just seems like people Bernie doesn't need to be good at this s, because we know he's good. But, you know what, I want our president to be able to think on his or her feet. Seems like quick decision making is one of the most hazardous responsibilities we give the president.</quote> I'm just not really sure that debates are a good metric to determine how quick people are on their feet, at least in terms of their answers to the moderators' direct questions. Few questions in the debate are "surprises". Like Bloomberg did a *** job, but I'm not sure there was a good answer he could have given to Warren's attack on the NDAs if he wasn't actually willing to release them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/20/20 6:31:28 PM #259:	Anteaterking posted... I'm just not really sure that debates are a good metric to determine how quick people are on their feet, at least in terms of their answers to the moderators' direct questions. Few questions in the debate are "surprises". Like Bloomberg did a ** job, but I'm not sure there was a good answer he could have given to Warren's attack on the NDAs if he wasn't actually willing to release them. I mean, I don't disagree, the way they are moderated sets a pretty low bar, yet people show weaknesses, see Bloomy last night. See Biden pretty much every night. See Butt on racial statistics from South Bend. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:934656889] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Anteaterking posted... </cite> <quote>I'm just not really sure that debates are a good metric to determine how quick people are on their feet, at least in terms of their answers to the moderators' direct questions. Few questions in the debate are "surprises". Like Bloomberg did a ** job, but I'm not sure there was a good answer he could have given to Warren's attack on the NDAs if he wasn't actually willing to release them.</quote> I mean, I don't disagree, the way they are moderated sets a pretty low bar, yet people show weaknesses, see Bloomy last night. See Biden pretty much every night. See Butt on racial statistics from South Bend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/20/20 7:23:36 PM #260:	https://twitter.com/josheidelson/status/1230645050989694976 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934659110] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/josheidelson/status/1230645050989694976</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/20/20 8:20:25 PM #261:	Antifar posted... https://twitter.com/josheidelson/status/1230645050989694976 I don't know enough about AFT to know how to read this. Is this good or bad? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:934661516] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/josheidelson/status/1230645050989694976</quote> I don't know enough about AFT to know how to read this. Is this good or bad? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/20/20 8:48:48 PM #262:	Anteaterking posted... I don't know enough about AFT to know how to read this. Is this good or bad? AFT was the first major union to endorse Hillary in the 2016 campaign, so consider that a clue as to its general leanings. Mostly, I think it's amusing to see who doesn't get included when someone endorses half the competitive field. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934662690] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know enough about AFT to know how to read this. Is this good or bad? </quote> AFT was the first major union to endorse Hillary in the 2016 campaign, so consider that a clue as to its general leanings. Mostly, I think it's amusing to see who doesn't get included when someone endorses half the competitive field.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/20/20 10:08:26 PM #263:	https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1230647043233898501 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934665957] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1230647043233898501</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 02/20/20 10:09:28 PM #264:	Antifar posted... https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1230647043233898501 lol --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:934666000] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1230647043233898501</quote>lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 02/20/20 10:22:06 PM #265:	Antifar posted... https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1230647043233898501 Lmfao amazing --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:934666483] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1230647043233898501</quote>Lmfao amazing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 02/21/20 9:44:54 AM #266:	Anteaterking posted... a good answer he could have given to Warren's attack on the NDAs if he wasn't actually willing to release them. the only good answer is "i'm willing to release them" --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:934681630] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Anteaterking posted... </cite> <quote>a good answer he could have given to Warren's attack on the NDAs if he wasn't actually willing to release them.</quote> the only good answer is "i'm willing to release them" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/21/20 10:55:26 AM #267:	https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1230862722184540161 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934683798] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1230862722184540161 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/21/20 11:00:11 AM #268:	Not a single bit of policy in this, nothing about how Trump and his administration are actually impacting people. Just the same "gosh, isn't this guy gauche?" shit that was all over the 2016 campaign https://twitter.com/benyc/status/1230867654271029255 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934683988] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Not a single bit of policy in this, nothing about how Trump and his administration are actually impacting people. Just the same "gosh, isn't this guy gauche?" shit that was all over the 2016 campaign https://twitter.com/benyc/status/1230867654271029255</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 02/21/20 11:11:06 AM #269:	Imagine dumping $400 million into a campaign so you can get eviscerated by your opponents. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:934684371] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Imagine dumping $400 million into a campaign so you can get eviscerated by your opponents. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 02/21/20 11:27:27 AM #270:	Antifar posted... https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1230862722184540161 This signals to me that they think it's a waste to spend against Bernie because they think he's going to win the primary, while also promising not to spend to support him against Trump in the general --- http://weareontherun.bandcamp.com ^^^^^ HEY! ^^^ LISTEN! ^^^^^ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:934684994] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein/status/1230862722184540161 </quote>This signals to me that they think it's a waste to spend against Bernie because they think he's going to win the primary, while also promising not to spend to support him against Trump in the general </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alpha218 02/21/20 11:45:19 AM #272:	--- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. Mario Maker 2 Maker ID: X6G-JGS-BFG; Dead by Daylight Discord: https://discord.gg/s6gDduM <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:934685608] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 02/21/20 2:26:15 PM #274:	https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1230578396486230016 Warren sucks --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:934692065] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1230578396486230016 Warren sucks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 02/21/20 2:42:59 PM #275:	Smashingpmkns posted... https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1230578396486230016 Warren sucks What more do these people want from him --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:934692724] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1230578396486230016 Warren sucks</quote>What more do these people want from him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 02/21/20 2:51:05 PM #277:	Why is it more important to the Democrats to defeat Bernie, than it is to defeat Trump? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:934693048] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Why is it more important to the Democrats to defeat Bernie, than it is to defeat Trump? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Omnislasher 02/21/20 2:57:10 PM #279:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Why is it more important to the Democrats to defeat Bernie, than it is to defeat Trump? Bernie is openly threatening Democratic establishment with a complete internal power realignment. Think about it. How much does life really change for the elites of the Democratic party under Trump? Not at all. How much does life change for them if Bernie takes over the party? Their status and power is literally done. If Trump wins again, sure they're the pathetic election losers again, even further discredited (to the extent that's even possible at this point), but the status quo in which they're top dogs of their side is unchallenged, and they get to go about fundraising as usual, using all the horrible things Trump has said and done this week as fuel, and try again in four years. <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:934693267] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite> <quote>Why is it more important to the Democrats to defeat Bernie, than it is to defeat Trump?</quote>Bernie is openly threatening Democratic establishment with a complete internal power realignment. Think about it. How much does life really change for the elites of the Democratic party under Trump? Not at all. How much does life change for them if Bernie takes over the party? Their status and power is literally done. If Trump wins again, sure they're the pathetic election losers again, even further discredited (to the extent that's even possible at this point), but the status quo in which they're top dogs of their side is unchallenged, and they get to go about fundraising as usual, using all the horrible things Trump has said and done this week as fuel, and try again in four years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 02/21/20 2:58:46 PM #280:	https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_institutions <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:934693342] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote> https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_institutions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/21/20 4:08:46 PM #281:	Here's a weird one: Joe Biden is now telling a story about being arrested visiting Mandela in South Africa, which he has never mentioned before, and which there is no reporting on. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/biden-south-africa-arrest-mandela.html In at least three campaign appearances over the past two weeks, Joseph R. Biden Jr. has told a similar story as he tries to revive his campaign in states with more diverse voters. On a trip to South Africa years ago, he has said, he was arrested as he sought to visit Nelson Mandela in prison. This day, 30 years ago, Nelson Mandela walked out of prison and entered into discussions about apartheid, Mr. Biden said at a campaign event in South Carolina last week. I had the great honor of meeting him. I had the great honor of being arrested with our U.N. ambassador on the streets of Soweto trying to get to see him on Robbens Island. Mr. Biden referred to his own arrest twice more in the next seven days, including at a campaign stop here on Tuesday where he spoke of getting arrested in South Africa between efforts to coax his wife to marry him. That proposal occurred in 1977, both Bidens have said. But if Mr. Biden, then a United States senator from Delaware, was in fact arrested while trying to visit Mr. Mandela, he did not mention it in his 2007 memoir when writing about a 1970s trip to South Africa, and he has not spoken of it prominently on the 2020 campaign trail. A check of available news accounts by The New York Times turned up no references to an arrest. South African arrest records are not readily available in the United States. Andrew Young, a former congressman and mayor of Atlanta who was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from 1977 to 1979, said that he had traveled with Mr. Biden over the years, including to South Africa. But Mr. Young said that he had never been arrested in South Africa and expressed skepticism that members of Congress would have faced arrest there. No, I was never arrested and I dont think he was, either, Mr. Young, now 87, said in a telephone interview. Mr. Young added: Now, people were being arrested in Washington. I dont think there was ever a situation where congressmen were arrested in South Africa. He emphasized his great respect for Mr. Biden, though he said he was currently supporting former Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York for the presidency. Former Senator Gary Hart, a Democrat from Colorado who joined the Senate in 1975 and who was a vocal opponent of apartheid, said in a brief phone call, I know nothing about that, when asked about Mr. Bidens account. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story The Times could not account for all of the details of Mr. Bidens overseas travel during the period that included the South Africa trip. Mr. Bidens campaign did not respond to five efforts to seek comment and clarification. Mr. Bidens repetition in recent days of the story about an arrest in South Africa comes as he confronts challenging political headwinds. Once the national front-runner, he turned in disappointing results in Iowa and New Hampshire, two heavily white states, where he finished fourth and fifth, respectively. His campaign is banking on at least a second-place finish in Nevada on Saturday and a victory in South Carolina, two diverse states where voters of color play crucial roles. He regularly uses his remarks to try to connect with black voters, such as saying in Nevada and elsewhere that he was raised in the black church.' In South Carolina in particular, Mr. Biden is pinning his hopes on a strong showing with African-American voters, a constituency with which he polled strongly throughout much of the race, though he now faces increasing competition for the support of black voters. After recounting the story of his arrest in South Carolina last week, Mr. Biden subsequently told it twice more in Nevada, mistakenly saying Robbens Island instead of Robben, where Mr. Mandela was held for much of his 27-year imprisonment. And on Sunday, as he had in South Carolina, he also delivered a coda to the story. After he got free and became president, he came to Washington and came to my office, Mr. Biden said of Mr. Mandela at a black history awards brunch in Las Vegas. He threw his arms around me and said, I want to say thank you. I said, What are you thanking me for, Mr. President? He said, You tried to see me. You got arrested trying to see me. On Tuesday, speaking in Las Vegas at an event with Asian-American and Pacific Islander voters, he said that he came back from South Africa, trying to see Nelson Mandela and getting arrested for trying to see him, right before he received an answer to his marriage proposal from his now-wife, Jill Biden. Mr. Biden has previously discussed visiting South Africa as a young senator but his emphasis in discussing his travel there has not been on an arrest. In a December 2013 clip from CBS News, Mr. Biden, expressing admiration for Mr. Mandela, mentioned a congressional delegation trip he took to South Africa. He also described being thanked, years later, by the iconic civil rights leader, but did not mention his own arrest. Instead, he said Mr. Mandela expressed gratitude for his support of anti-apartheid sanctions. In a 2013 statement marking the death of Mr. Mandela, Mr. Biden, then vice president, recalled how he had traveled to Soweto with Mr. Young, but he did not mention an arrest. I saw his world the way it used to be when I visited South Africa as a 34-year-old senator, the statement said. When I exited the plane I was directed to one side of the tarmac, while the African-American congressmen traveling with me were sent to the other side. I refused to break off, and the officials finally relented. When I tried to enter Soweto township with Congressmen Andrew Young of Atlanta and Charles Diggs of Detroit, I remember their tears of anger and sadness. Mr. Young, in the phone interview, said he did encounter discrimination on his trips to South Africa over the years, but said, I would not forget going to jail, but I know I did not ever go to jail in South Africa. Mr. Biden and Dr. Biden wrote about a South Africa trip in their memoirs, too. According to their accounts, Mr. Biden went there after giving Dr. Biden an ultimatum following multiple marriage proposals. They both have said that Mr. Biden sought a response when he returned from the trip. Neither Mr. Biden nor Dr. Biden mentioned an arrest when describing the proposal. The 10 days in Africa felt like forever, Mr. Biden wrote in his book Promises to Keep. I had gotten through worse <cite>Antifar posted [p:934696207] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Here's a weird one: Joe Biden is now telling a story about being arrested visiting Mandela in South Africa, which he has never mentioned before, and which there is no reporting on. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/biden-south-africa-arrest-mandela.html <quote>In at least three campaign appearances over the past two weeks, Joseph R. Biden Jr. has told a similar story as he tries to revive his campaign in states with more diverse voters. On a trip to South Africa years ago, he has said, he was arrested as he sought to visit Nelson Mandela in prison. This day, 30 years ago, Nelson Mandela walked out of prison and entered into discussions about apartheid, Mr. Biden said at a campaign event in South Carolina last week. I had the great honor of meeting him. I had the great honor of being arrested with our U.N. ambassador on the streets of Soweto trying to get to see him on Robbens Island. Mr. Biden referred to his own arrest twice more in the next seven days, including at a campaign stop here on Tuesday where he spoke of getting arrested in South Africa between efforts to coax his wife to marry him. That proposal occurred in 1977, both Bidens have said. But if Mr. Biden, then a United States senator from Delaware, was in fact arrested while trying to visit Mr. Mandela, he did not mention it in his 2007 memoir when writing about a 1970s trip to South Africa, and he has not spoken of it prominently on the 2020 campaign trail. A check of available news accounts by The New York Times turned up no references to an arrest. South African arrest records are not readily available in the United States. Andrew Young, a former congressman and mayor of Atlanta who was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from 1977 to 1979, said that he had traveled with Mr. Biden over the years, including to South Africa. But Mr. Young said that he had never been arrested in South Africa and expressed skepticism that members of Congress would have faced arrest there. No, I was never arrested and I dont think he was, either, Mr. Young, now 87, said in a telephone interview. Mr. Young added: Now, people were being arrested in Washington. I dont think there was ever a situation where congressmen were arrested in South Africa. He emphasized his great respect for Mr. Biden, though he said he was currently supporting former Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York for the presidency. Former Senator Gary Hart, a Democrat from Colorado who joined the Senate in 1975 and who was a vocal opponent of apartheid, said in a brief phone call, I know nothing about that, when asked about Mr. Bidens account. ADVERTISEMENT Continue reading the main story The Times could not account for all of the details of Mr. Bidens overseas travel during the period that included the South Africa trip. Mr. Bidens campaign did not respond to five efforts to seek comment and clarification. Mr. Bidens repetition in recent days of the story about an arrest in South Africa comes as he confronts challenging political headwinds. Once the national front-runner, he turned in disappointing results in Iowa and New Hampshire, two heavily white states, where he finished fourth and fifth, respectively. His campaign is banking on at least a second-place finish in Nevada on Saturday and a victory in South Carolina, two diverse states where voters of color play crucial roles. He regularly uses his remarks to try to connect with black voters, such as saying in Nevada and elsewhere that he was raised in the black church.' In South Carolina in particular, Mr. Biden is pinning his hopes on a strong showing with African-American voters, a constituency with which he polled strongly throughout much of the race, though he now faces increasing competition for the support of black voters. After recounting the story of his arrest in South Carolina last week, Mr. Biden subsequently told it twice more in Nevada, mistakenly saying Robbens Island instead of Robben, where Mr. Mandela was held for much of his 27-year imprisonment. And on Sunday, as he had in South Carolina, he also delivered a coda to the story. After he got free and became president, he came to Washington and came to my office, Mr. Biden said of Mr. Mandela at a black history awards brunch in Las Vegas. He threw his arms around me and said, I want to say thank you. I said, What are you thanking me for, Mr. President? He said, You tried to see me. You got arrested trying to see me. On Tuesday, speaking in Las Vegas at an event with Asian-American and Pacific Islander voters, he said that he came back from South Africa, trying to see Nelson Mandela and getting arrested for trying to see him, right before he received an answer to his marriage proposal from his now-wife, Jill Biden. Mr. Biden has previously discussed visiting South Africa as a young senator but his emphasis in discussing his travel there has not been on an arrest. In a December 2013 clip from CBS News, Mr. Biden, expressing admiration for Mr. Mandela, mentioned a congressional delegation trip he took to South Africa. He also described being thanked, years later, by the iconic civil rights leader, but did not mention his own arrest. Instead, he said Mr. Mandela expressed gratitude for his support of anti-apartheid sanctions. In a 2013 statement marking the death of Mr. Mandela, Mr. Biden, then vice president, recalled how he had traveled to Soweto with Mr. Young, but he did not mention an arrest. I saw his world the way it used to be when I visited South Africa as a 34-year-old senator, the statement said. When I exited the plane I was directed to one side of the tarmac, while the African-American congressmen traveling with me were sent to the other side. I refused to break off, and the officials finally relented. When I tried to enter Soweto township with Congressmen Andrew Young of Atlanta and Charles Diggs of Detroit, I remember their tears of anger and sadness. Mr. Young, in the phone interview, said he did encounter discrimination on his trips to South Africa over the years, but said, I would not forget going to jail, but I know I did not ever go to jail in South Africa. Mr. Biden and Dr. Biden wrote about a South Africa trip in their memoirs, too. According to their accounts, Mr. Biden went there after giving Dr. Biden an ultimatum following multiple marriage proposals. They both have said that Mr. Biden sought a response when he returned from the trip. Neither Mr. Biden nor Dr. Biden mentioned an arrest when describing the proposal. The 10 days in Africa felt like forever, Mr. Biden wrote in his book Promises to Keep. I had gotten through worse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 02/21/20 4:12:22 PM #282:	Biden Mandela effect'd himself --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:934696373] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Biden Mandela effect'd himself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 02/21/20 4:17:21 PM #283:	This isn't the first time he's completely fabricated a story like this I believe --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. Mario Maker 2 Maker ID: X6G-JGS-BFG; Dead by Daylight Discord: https://discord.gg/s6gDduM <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:934696599] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>This isn't the first time he's completely fabricated a story like this I believe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 02/21/20 4:20:39 PM #284:	corn pop busted him outta jail --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:934696753] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>corn pop busted him outta jail </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/21/20 4:21:43 PM #286:	Smashingpmkns posted... Biden Mandela effect'd himself Lmao --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934696793] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Biden Mandela effect'd himself</quote> Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/21/20 4:21:54 PM #287:	Sackgurl posted... the only good answer is "i'm willing to release them" Right, that's what I'm saying. I imagine he doesn't want them released in which case he can't really give a good answer. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:934696800] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>the only good answer is "i'm willing to release them"</quote> Right, that's what I'm saying. I imagine he doesn't want them released in which case he can't really give a good answer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 02/21/20 4:27:19 PM #288:	https://twitter.com/TonyBeast1957/status/1230934496926670848 And that's why you're the mayor of New York! --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:934697030] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/TonyBeast1957/status/1230934496926670848 And that's why you're the mayor of New York!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/21/20 5:05:40 PM #289:	https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1230971357153894400 CNN would do a 10-minute segment on these comments if it'd been Weedlord69 replying to Biden on Twitter instead of an MSNBC pundit. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934698521] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1230971357153894400 CNN would do a 10-minute segment on these comments if it'd been Weedlord69 replying to Biden on Twitter instead of an MSNBC pundit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 02/21/20 5:07:42 PM #290:	What does "Island of Misfit Black Girls" mean? I literally have no clue what its in reference to. Doesn't sound too nice, though. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:934698601] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>What does "Island of Misfit Black Girls" mean? I literally have no clue what its in reference to. Doesn't sound too nice, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/21/20 5:08:27 PM #291:	DeadBankerDream posted... What does "Island of Misfit Black Girls" mean? I literally have no clue what its in reference to. Doesn't sound too nice, though. Island of Misfit Toys from the old Rudolph claymation --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:934698631] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>What does "Island of Misfit Black Girls" mean? I literally have no clue what its in reference to. Doesn't sound too nice, though.</quote> Island of Misfit Toys from the old Rudolph claymation </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 02/21/20 5:09:21 PM #292:	Never heard of that. What is the context that makes the comment offensive? --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:934698671] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Never heard of that. What is the context that makes the comment offensive?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/21/20 5:09:25 PM #293:	DeadBankerDream posted... What does "Island of Misfit Black Girls" mean? I literally have no clue what its in reference to. Doesn't sound too nice, though. In the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer TV special, there's an "Isle of Misfit Toys" where they find a bunch of mis-made or otherwise unwanted toys. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934698675] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote>What does "Island of Misfit Black Girls" mean? I literally have no clue what its in reference to. Doesn't sound too nice, though.</quote> In the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer TV special, there's an "Isle of Misfit Toys" where they find a bunch of mis-made or otherwise unwanted toys.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 02/21/20 5:10:20 PM #294:	Antifar posted... In the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer TV special, there's an "Isle of Misfit Toys" where they find a bunch of mis-made or otherwise unwanted toys. So he was saying that any black woman who supports Bernie Sanders is defective? --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:934698705] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> In the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer TV special, there's an "Isle of Misfit Toys" where they find a bunch of mis-made or otherwise unwanted toys.</quote> So he was saying that any black woman who supports Bernie Sanders is defective?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/21/20 5:11:52 PM #295:	DeadBankerDream posted... So he was saying that any black woman who supports Bernie Sanders is defective? That's one way to interpret it, but more generally it's just a direct insult to two of Sanders' prominent campaign employees, Briahna Joy-Gray and Nina Turner. Also, it should be noted that polls show Sanders having the most non-white support of any candidate in the race --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:934698761] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote> So he was saying that any black woman who supports Bernie Sanders is defective?</quote> That's one way to interpret it, but more generally it's just a direct insult to two of Sanders' prominent campaign employees, Briahna Joy-Gray and Nina Turner. Also, it should be noted that polls show Sanders having the most non-white support of any candidate in the race</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 02/21/20 5:12:43 PM #296:	Sounds delightfully unpleasant either way. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:934698784] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Sounds delightfully unpleasant either way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 02/21/20 5:16:24 PM #297:	This is the same dude who tried to go off on Nina Turner for calling Bloomberg an oligarch, only to get ratiod into oblivion on twitter --- http://weareontherun.bandcamp.com ^^^^^ HEY! ^^^ LISTEN! ^^^^^ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:934698905] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>This is the same dude who tried to go off on Nina Turner for calling Bloomberg an oligarch, only to get ratiod into oblivion on twitter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 02/21/20 5:21:39 PM #298:	https://youtu.be/lY4oI5A58KQ Full clip. What a fucking moron. He criticizes Nina Turner for calling Bloomberg an oligarch, both of the hosts are like "well he kinda is the definition of an oligarch" and he's like "that's not the point and you're making my point for me!" Lmao --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:934699104] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/lY4oI5A58KQ Full clip. What a fucking moron. He criticizes Nina Turner for calling Bloomberg an oligarch, both of the hosts are like "well he kinda is the definition of an oligarch" and he's like "that's not the point and you're making my point for me!" Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MaxEffingBemis 02/21/20 5:30:08 PM #300:	Smashingpmkns posted... https://twitter.com/TonyBeast1957/status/1230934496926670848 And that's why you're the mayor of New York! I didnt realize Bloomberg was so short compared to Trump. Guess we better measure him from the neck-up though --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:934699426] in Democratic... [t:78418880]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/TonyBeast1957/status/1230934496926670848 And that's why you're the mayor of New York!</quote>I didnt realize Bloomberg was so short compared to Trump. Guess we better measure him from the neck-up though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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