Current Events > CNBC: Trump would rather face Bloomberg than Sanders.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/trump-would-rather-face-bloomberg-than-sanders-in-2020-election.html

Trump, during a rambling criticism of Bloomberg's 2015 comments that defended his city's stop-and-frisk policing practice with racist stereotypes, said unprompted that he would rather face the businessman than the Vermont senator. He pointed to Sanders' devoted supporters, who fueled an insurgent challenge to former secretary of State and senator Hillary Clinton in 2016

"Frankly, I'd rather run against Bloomberg than Bernie Sanders," the president told reporters at the White House. "Because Sanders has real followers, whether you like him or not, whether you agree with him or not. I happen to think it's terrible what he says. But he has followers. Bloomberg's just buying his way in."

No shit they're basically the same person except a history of racism and sexual assault allegations would hurt Bloomberg and only help Trump lmao
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Did Trump actually say that? It legitimately sounds too coherent to have come from his mouth.
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Bio1590 posted...

Did Trump actually say that? It legitimately sounds too coherent to have come from his mouth.

Yes, unless you think NBC is fake new?

This is the lefts biggest problem vs. Trump. They underestimate what he is capable of.
When his supporters tune in to his rallys, he is very coherent.

He is basically a huge troll and rambles in some contexts and not in others. So when people who only know what he says from like CNN hear him, it is a soundbyte of incoherency or a stupid nonsensical tweet.

Its been 4 years, about time to figure this out.

This is why Bernie should have been a no brainer. The idea that anyone can beat Trump is false.

https://twitter.com/peterjgowan/status/1228687505165373442
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Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/peterjgowan/status/1228687505165373442

O wow.

shockthemonkey posted...

I mean, duh?

You guys act like this is conventional wisdom and yet:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/winning-ugly-enough-bernie-sanders-n1136581

But there's another version in which he's just living in a two-dimensional political space trapped with a voting floor and ceiling that are a single line. And the path between the second world and the first may be hard to traverse.

There were stark warning signs for him in each of the first two states on the primary calendar, even though he won the popular vote in both of them.
The most telling trouble spot for Sanders is that he barely topped 25 percent Tuesday in New Hampshire, a state he won with more than 60 percent of the vote in 2016. With Sanders underperforming his poll numbers, it took a sudden surge from Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who bled votes from former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, to preserve Sanders' victory.

That's winning ugly.

It's not clear that he can afford to muddle along with roughly a quarter of the vote about what he got in Iowa, too if the field of Democrats narrows much, because that would leave him in the position of trying to muscle his way to the nomination without a majority or a large plurality of delegates.

That reality leaves Sanders with two basic paths: vastly expand the share of Democrats who prefer him whether candidates drop out or not or rely on the field of competitors to remain so large and so evenly matched that he can emerge as the clear light heavyweight in a class of middleweights.
Neither option is easy, and neither is fully in his control.

The unique challenge for him is that he has shown little ability to attract support from other corners of the party. Voters who back faltering candidates appear to be shifting significantly between contenders but not shifting to Sanders.

Konst's construct is telling because it favors a two-candidate race and because it envisions Sanders and Mike Bloomberg, the former New York mayor, as those candidates.

There are reasons to think Bloomberg will be competitive, but he has hardly dispatched with the rest of the field at this point. He hasn't appeared in a debate or on a ballot yet, and he is polling third in national surveys. But Sanders' best shot at winning the nomination may now rest on the billionaire businessman-turned-politician wiping out the rest of the candidates between himself and Sanders on the ideological spectrum.

darkphoenix181 posted...

You guys act like this is conventional wisdom and yet:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/winning-ugly-enough-bernie-sanders-n1136581

Well keep in most leftists here think this is basically the corporation suckling side of the Democratic Party protecting their patrons with hitpieces on Bernie. Frankly, an "establishment" Democrat is the last opinion they would respect on who actually do well against Trump.

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Doesn't really matter, because Trump can easily defeat Bloomberg or Sanders. I think Sanders would be by far the easiest. Right's base will be fired up 10x more to combat Socialism, and slight/mid left voters will probably choose to not vote over voting for socialism.

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Dante121487 posted...

Doesn't really matter, because Trump can easily defeat Bloomberg or Sanders. I think Sanders would be by far the easiest. Right's base will be fired up 10x more to combat Socialism, and slight/mid left voters will probably choose to not vote over voting for socialism.

Nope.

Sanders actually has something to offer the public.

His platform isn't: "Trump is bad. Republicans are bad. I am not Trump, I am not a Republican"

His platform is: "Ideologies aside, I want to give America good healthcare, good wages, take it back from the rich!" Etc

And unlike the rest of the candidates, Bernie is clean.

Trump's hardest hitting critiques is calling his opponents corrupt. What happens in the case of these guys is they then call Trump corrupt. But that doesn't work because we see Bloomberg buying the nomination, we see Buttgieg scandal with the app and all that. These are freebies for Trump. We saw how it played out in 2016 with Hillary and her e-mails and reputation. This type of candidate is who Trump beats.
Sanders on the other hand has no dirt. If Trump calls him corrupt it will fail.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Sanders on the other hand has no dirt.

There's a video of him drunken and shirtless celebrating his honeymoon in Soviet Russia. There's video of him immediately following that honeymoon openly praising Soviet Russia. There's video of him openly praising Fidel Castro. There's that video of him saying that people lining up for food is a good thing.

Trump doesn't need some sort of dirt or scandal on Bernie. He just has to play any of the videos above.

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s0nicfan posted...

There's a video of him drunken and shirtless celebrating his honeymoon in Soviet Russia. There's video of him immediately following that honeymoon openly praising Soviet Russia. There's video of him openly praising Fidel Castro. There's that video of him saying that people lining up for food is a good thing.

Trump doesn't need some sort of dirt or scandal on Bernie. He just has to play any of the videos above.

Why haven't any of them already had their impact?
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Antifar posted...

Why haven't any of them already had their impact?

Because none of Bernie's primary competitors in this election or last used any of them in campaign ads, either because they were already winning by a lot or because they didn't want to go that negative in a primary.

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s0nicfan posted...

There's a video of him drunken and shirtless celebrating his honeymoon in Soviet Russia. There's video of him immediately following that honeymoon openly praising Soviet Russia. There's video of him openly praising Fidel Castro. There's that video of him saying that people lining up for food is a good thing.

Trump doesn't need some sort of dirt or scandal on Bernie. He just has to play any of the videos above.

On YouTube?
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I thought his worst take was saying that the American dream was more likely to be realized in Venezuela than America. Not long after Venezuela turned to shit and you had prostitutes functioning as banks and people having to smuggle food from across the border to survive.

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Webmaster4531 posted...

On YouTube?

Benie shirtless russian honeymoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfnBiSOgxW4
Bernie praising the soviet union after his honeymoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ivT6pLcLbQ
Bernie praising Castro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp2sCcOO9J0
Bernie praising bread lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiM-yNEQ93I

NOTE: I'm sure some of those youtube channels have an agenda, but they're the raw video so I picked these links to get right to the point.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Nope.

Sanders actually has something to offer the public.

His platform isn't: "Trump is bad. Republicans are bad. I am not Trump, I am not a Republican"

His platform is: "Ideologies aside, I want to give America good healthcare, good wages, take it back from the rich!" Etc

And unlike the rest of the candidates, Bernie is clean.

Trump's hardest hitting critiques is calling his opponents corrupt. What happens in the case of these guys is they then call Trump corrupt. But that doesn't work because we see Bloomberg buying the nomination, we see Buttgieg scandal with the app and all that. These are freebies for Trump. We saw how it played out in 2016 with Hillary and her e-mails and reputation. This type of candidate is who Trump beats.
Sanders on the other hand has no dirt. If Trump calls him corrupt it will fail.

Actually part of his platform is that Trump is bad. That's like a third of his posts on Twitter

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A recurring theme in Trump's rhetoric is that Democrats don't actually care about his bad behavior, the sexism, the racism, his border policies, etc. He often suggests that they are hypocrites who wouldn't have a problem him if he wasn't a Republican, and that many of them didn't have an issue with him until he ran. Nominating Michael Bloomberg would prove him correct.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

He dodged a question on Univision about the failed socialist policies of Venezuela tanking the country, you know, the very same policies he used to use as one of his shining examples of REAL Socialism. He offered some bullshit along the lines of he is very interested in that, but right now he is running for President and would prefer to focus on that.

Bernie Sanders advocated the nationalization of oil? We're not as oil dependant as Venezuela.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

And unlike the rest of the candidates, Bernie is clean.

He's pushing socialism. That's pretty far from "clean" in America.

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Antifar posted...

A recurring theme in Trump's rhetoric is that Democrats don't actually care about his bad behavior, the sexism, the racism, his border policies, etc. He often suggests that they are hypocrites who wouldn't have a problem him if he wasn't a Republican, and that many of them didn't have an issue with him until he ran. Nominating Michael Bloomberg would prove him correct.

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shockthemonkey posted...

I like how the dirt on Bernie is hes wrong about policy and took his shirt off.

COMMUNISM!

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s0nicfan posted...

There's a video of him drunken and shirtless celebrating his honeymoon in Soviet Russia. There's video of him immediately following that honeymoon openly praising Soviet Russia. There's video of him openly praising Fidel Castro. There's that video of him saying that people lining up for food is a good thing.

that sort of stuff would only work on people like you though

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I have a sneaking suspicion that RoadsterUFO isn't arguing in good faith

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Dante121487 posted...

Right's base will be fired up

Can we stop saying this idiotic drivel, please?

The chuds are ALWAYS fired up. Literally always. It doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is. You aren't shaving off these supporters and you aren't dissuading them.

Right's base was fired up in 2018 too

and if that's what them fired up looks like then lol

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Doom_Art posted...

that sort of stuff would only work on people like you though

Keep telling yourself that.

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s0nicfan posted...

Keep telling yourself that.

This whole "if Republicans call Bernie a socialist and air these attacks it will make him less popular" thing screams "wishful thinking" on your part tbh

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Bloomberg is trump but with more money and actual political savvy

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https://twitter.com/joftius/status/1223266458903502848?s=19
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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/joftius/status/1223266458903502848?s=19

I feel like the GOP might have a "boy who cried socialism" problem if Bernie is the dem nominee. Some of their fearmongering was acting like Obama was practicing blood magic to resurrect Stalin

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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/joftius/status/1223266458903502848?s=19

A poll hosted by Data for Progress, a far left Think Tank, posted on Lucid, a targeted marketing platform where you select the demographics you want to interact with, is as meaningful to me as Fox News polling churchgoers in Alabama and then claiming it's representative of the general populace.

But either way I'm sure we'll find out what the rest of the country thinks in a few months if he can make it through the primary.

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Antifar posted...

A recurring theme in Trump's rhetoric is that Democrats don't actually care about his bad behavior, the sexism, the racism, his border policies, etc. He often suggests that they are hypocrites who wouldn't have a problem him if he wasn't a Republican, and that many of them didn't have an issue with him until he ran. Nominating Michael Bloomberg would prove him correct.

Indeed. But they will do it anyways.

s0nicfan, I know you're good at convincing yourself of stuff, but please stop lol

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It'd be nice if UFO could stick to one account so I only have to block one of them

It boggles the mind how one person can go on so many times about how uneducated everyone else is without a hint of irony
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Doom_Art posted...

This whole "if Republicans call Bernie a socialist and air these attacks it will make him less popular" thing screams "wishful thinking" on your part tbh

it is advice from the 'other side' after all

if the idea is "these attacks, which we both agree are soooo dumb, would hurt him so much!" you have to ask "if you can see why these attacks are stupid, why do you think people who have the exact same views as you wouldn't also?"

the best thing democrats can do is listen to what republican pundits and those repeating the talking points of republican pundits are saying, and then do the opposite

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RoadsterUFO posted...

The man went out of his way to highlight how Venezuela is an example of how Socialism is working. Oh, what, it failed?

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/08/final-episode-juan-guaido-surreal-regime-change-reality-show/

"Guaidos scandals erupt as Venezuela slowly recovers

Despite the pain caused by the US policy of hybrid war, Venezuela has, against all odds, started to recover economically.

Oil production is up; oil income is up; a tariff on goods from the United States was lifted (flooding the country with products like Nutella that used to be rare treasures just six months ago); and Venezuelas digital currency, the Petro, was successfully introduced to the public.

Whats more, the social safety net has been strengthened through the governments CLAP food distribution program, which now reaches 7 million families every month.

The Great Housing Mission is another success story, as it marked the construction of the 3 millionth home for poor and working-class Venezuelans. Using an estimate of four people per household, which is low for many Venezuelans, that means that at least 12 million people out of a population of 30 million live in quality, low-to-no-cost housing.

Simple math shows that nearly twice as many Venezuelans live in government-built homes than those who vote for Chavismo. This is a huge sector of the population that has benefited from government programs, that doesnt exclusively blame President Maduro for its difficulties, and that is turned off by extremist positions."
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That source sure is an objective source of information and in no way propaganda.

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ssjevot posted...

That source sure is an objective source of information and in no way propaganda.

Your hypocrisy is palpable.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/peterjgowan/status/1228687505165373442

Another liberal public figure with zero integrity... Color me surprised.

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