Current Events > The 2nd time a Tesla under 'AutoPilot' goes underneath a Semi and Sheers off the

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This is the 2nd time a Tesla under "AutoPilot" goes underneath a Semi-Truck and Sheers off the top half of the driver killing them instantaneously.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/i-was-just-shaking-new-documents-reveal-details-of-fatal-tesla-crash/

Foolish human to trust their auto pilot systems.

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I don't think people understand just how far away we still are from true car auto pilot.

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Weird I thought AI expert and real life Tony Stark knew what he was talking about

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-vehicles-able-to-drive-themselves-by-end-of-2019-2019-1

Swing and a wide miss on predictions that this would happen by 2017 and 2019, but I see he has one for 2020 so let's see how that plays out!


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s0nicfan posted...

I don't think people understand just how far away we still are from true car auto pilot.

Yet people are constantly misled by Tesla marketing into thinking "AutoPilot" is basically having a chaufeer in the car.

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This is how Skynet starts.

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s0nicfan posted...

I don't think people understand just how far away we still are from true car auto pilot.

Yeah it was crazy to think that a lot of the technology was (is still?) based on those primitive cameras meant to determine whether or not the car's in the lane or not >_>.

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DirkDiggles posted...

This is how Skynet starts.

No, that's you being too influenced by Hollywood.

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Im guessing the guy driving the Tesla wasnt paying attention either just like the dude in 2016.


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Do you think anyone responsible for making the vehicles feels any kind of responsibility or regret?

I would wager no, similar to the boeing execs who are responsible for hundreds of peoples deaths


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Auto pilot is probably gonna continue to run into issues like this until nearly every car on the road is outfitted with some way to communicate with each other
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solosnake posted...

Do you think anyone responsible for making the vehicles feels any kind of responsibility or regret?

I would wager no, similar to the boeing execs who are responsible for hundreds of peoples deaths

I could see why they would feel bad, but on the flip side the driver still has a legal obligation to maintain hand contact with the steering wheel (it sounds like this driver did not) and is still responsible ultimately for operating the vehicle manually even if it does have an "auto pilot" feature.

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When is Tesla going to have to change their name from Autopilot?

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solosnake posted...

Do you think anyone responsible for making the vehicles feels any kind of responsibility or regret?

Why should they? It sucks but that's like saying modern automakers should feel responsibility when people die in car crashes.

Self-driving cars will never just happen. Trial and error is required. We are in the early stages of autopilot driving but you have to treat it as more of an assistant than a true self-driving mode (because it's not that). The only way to make it better is by testing it in real-life situations.
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Arent the drivers supposed to basically hover over the break and steering wheel while doing the auto pilot stuff?

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Cars have had recalls for less than this.

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so is everybody ignoring the fact that the truck clearly made an unsafe left turn?
in every other similar case, the person making the left turn across the highway is at fault.

"It was dark and the cars looked like they was back further than what they was," Wood said.

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However many deaths caused by human error: I sleep

Two deaths partially caused by AI error: Real shit


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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Yet people are constantly misled by Tesla marketing into thinking "AutoPilot" is basically having a chaufeer in the car.

Tesla's marketing doesn't say that at all. They always say you need to be aware and alert and able to take over at any time.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Why should they? It sucks but that's like saying modern automakers should feel responsibility when people die in car crashes.

Self-driving cars will never just happen. Trial and error is required. We are in the early stages of autopilot driving but you have to treat it as more of an assistant than a true self-driving mode (because it's not that). The only way to make it better is by testing it in real-life situations.

The problem with that is they labeled it "auto-pilot" , which is clearly not the case. Not everyone has the intelligence level of Elon Musk

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CableZL posted...

Tesla's marketing doesn't say that at all. They always say you need to be aware and alert and able to take over at any time.

How often does their warnings stick in the customers ears?

1st Driver who had their Tesla sheered off by a Semi-Truck was napping while watching Harry Potter Movies on a portable DVD Player when the car had it's incident with a Semi-Truck.

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their stock did well this week though

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

How often does their warnings stick in the customers ears?

1st Driver who had their Tesla sheered off by a Semi-Truck was napping while watching Harry Potter Movies on a portable DVD Player when the car had it's incident with a Semi-Truck.

It's sad, but people being dumb isn't (aren't?) Tesla's responsibility. The car warns you in increasing severity levels, even coming to a full stop, if you have your hands off of the wheel for too long.

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I heard it annoyingly beeps at you when your hands aren't on the wheel and article said it was the trucks fault and likely was unavoidable by the car. If the truck had a robot driver it wouldn't have happened.

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solosnake posted...

The problem with that is they labeled it "auto-pilot" , which is clearly not the case. Not everyone has the intelligence level of Elon Musk

I'm pretty sure people did the same thing when "cruise control" came out.

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foreverzero212 posted...

If the truck had a robot driver it wouldn't have happened.

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yea. I do have hopes for auto driving cars. but it won't truly work until all cars are auto. I don't know why they keep putting these self driving cars out on the road with normal traffic. what I envision is a world where all traffic is auto. and every single vehicle on the road is constantly communicating with everyone else on a computer network built into the roads

One thing driver-assistance systems can do is to force drivers to keep their eyes on the road. Cadillac's Super Cruise technology does just that, using a driver-facing camera to observe where a driver is looking. If Banner's Model 3 had had this feature, he might have noticed the truck crossing in front of his path and stopped in time to save his life.

Even if it saves a life, the last thing I want is a camera designed by a corporation looking at me everytime I'm behind the wheel.

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k debonair posted...

"It was dark and the cars looked like they was back further than what they was," Wood said.

Crossing the line of traffic usually puts the onus on the vehicle to make sure that the way is clear to proceed. Likewise, if an oncoming vehicle has the time to avoid an accident, they must do so. It's quite likely that they will blame the technology and the unawareness of the Tesla driver for the accident, not the transport driver.

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That was in March of 2019

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How many are currently on the road? It's probably still statistically way safer than normal driving, yet one death gets the world up in arms about the safety of it.

So now its two deaths vs the millions of regular drivers?

Sounds good to me

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Zikten posted...

yea. I do have hopes for auto driving cars. but it won't truly work until all cars are auto. I don't know why they keep putting these self driving cars out on the road with normal traffic. what I envision is a world where all traffic is auto. and every single vehicle on the road is constantly communicating with everyone else on a computer network built into the roads

Lol how the hell do you think that will happen. One day they give everyone in the country a brand new car to use?

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Lol how the hell do you think that will happen. One day they give everyone in the country a brand new car to use?

It'll happen the way EZ pass happened: one lane at a time. First they'll dedicate one lane for autonomous cars only, then increase over time as a higher percentage of traffic is autonomous.

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k debonair posted...

so is everybody ignoring the fact that the truck clearly made an unsafe left turn?
in every other similar case, the person making the left turn across the highway is at fault.

"It was dark and the cars looked like they was back further than what they was," Wood said.

That's not really the point, drivers make wonky unpredictable turns like this all the time. But a normal human paying attention behind the wheel could easily have handled this situation.

Trucks even in the dead of night arent difficult to spot.

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Prismsblade posted...

That's not really the point, drivers make wonky unpredictable turns like this all the time. But a normal human paying attention behind the wheel could easily have handled this situation.

Trucks even in the dead of night arent difficult to spot.

Also, it's beyond me how anyone is comfortable at all with driving into an intersection while not paying attention. EVEN IF you technically have the right of way, there's always that chance of someone running a red light.

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Bananana posted...

So now its two deaths vs the millions of regular drivers?

Sounds good to me

There's also millions of regular drivers driving all the time vs how many "auto-pilot" cars on the road driving for what distance/how long? Of course the statistics are going to be skewed towards more deaths for regular drivers, there's a drastically higher amount of them, and it's not a good look when the few self-driving cars being tested can't account for variables and are already causing fatalities.

Even if in the next 20 years it's nothing but automated vehicles on the road, how do they account for different variables, such as: jaywalkers, children/pets bolting into streets, detrimental weather like flooding and ice skidding cars around the streets, debris in the road, etc. I feel like full automation only works if we pretend everything runs perfect and smoothly at all times.

Zikten posted...

yea. I do have hopes for auto driving cars. but it won't truly work until all cars are auto. I don't know why they keep putting these self driving cars out on the road with normal traffic. what I envision is a world where all traffic is auto. and every single vehicle on the road is constantly communicating with everyone else on a computer network built into the roads

This. All of my thoughts, in this post

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Zikten posted...

yea. I do have hopes for auto driving cars. but it won't truly work until all cars are auto. I don't know why they keep putting these self driving cars out on the road with normal traffic. what I envision is a world where all traffic is auto. and every single vehicle on the road is constantly communicating with everyone else on a computer network built into the roads

The moment you open up cars to wireless networking, they're going to get hacked so badly, it's going to be a HUGE safety issue.

The only way to make autonomous cars safe IMO is for each system to be truly isolated from the Internet / Wireless LAN and have them work independently with multiple redundant computers like aircraft and every form of automotive sensor for detecting objects in every situation in every weather climate at all temperatures.

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CableZL posted...

Also, it's beyond me how anyone is comfortable at all with driving into an intersection while not paying attention. EVEN IF you technically have the right of way, there's always that chance of someone running a red light.

Yup, I always double check, even if I have the right of way.

There have been too many times some jack ass ran the Red Light and nearly hit me despite me having the clear right of way.

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Bananana posted...

So now its two deaths vs the millions of regular drivers?

Sounds good to me

Unless I get to write my own autonomous Vehicle software or see their open source code and validate that they're using it, I will never trust the machine.

I trust in my own skills over some bloody machine written by the cheapest paid low skilled programmer who couldn't be arsed to test his own code.

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Bananana posted...

So now its two deaths vs the millions of regular drivers?

Sounds good to me

Sure. Though, that's also against the many years without autopilot. And the amount that are on the road. And the fact that they are still new...I mean, after a few more years, and after the road is littered with them, and after they start failing more, it may catch up to the amount...
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Turtlemayor333 posted...

However many deaths caused by human error: I sleep

Two deaths partially caused by AI error: Real shit

You're comparing an enormous number of human drivers to a handful of autopilots. If you switched the numbers you'd probably have hundreds of thousands of autopilot deaths

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Irony posted...

You're comparing an enormous number of human drivers to a handful of autopilots. If you switched the numbers you'd probably have hundreds of thousands of autopilot deaths

Human error is the root of all of it, really. The driver wasn't paying attention as the car went into an intersection.

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I've seen a guy fuck two Latinas in a Tesla on autopilot.

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I haven't been through the whole topic, but I remember reading something somewhere that talked about how the new features in cars aren't meant to replace human, but assist them. So, I think that's what people should be doing in self-driving cars. Just let the self-driving assist your driving, but still be focused to take control. Which no one wants to do. My mom saw a girl sleeping in her Tesla once, apparently...

Personally, I'm never getting in one. I don't trust them. I'll drive myself around, or have a human driver. But that's more of a personal things. I also don't like automaton or things that are replacing humans in the work force. Again, that's more of a personal thing. I don't even use self-checkout lanes. A cashier once asked if I was ready. When I said yes, she grabbed some stuff to help me. And took me to a self-checkout lanes. I grabbed my stuff and went to a cashier after that...
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While this is definitely 99% the driver's fault I still think it was a bad idea to name the feature auto pilot. No matter how much the maker and the marketing drills it into people's heads that that doesn't mean you can just let the car do all the driving for you people are going to think that way. That's just the perception that jumps into people's heads when they hear the words "auto pilot."

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Zikten posted...

yea. I do have hopes for auto driving cars. but it won't truly work until all cars are auto. I don't know why they keep putting these self driving cars out on the road with normal traffic. what I envision is a world where all traffic is auto. and every single vehicle on the road is constantly communicating with everyone else on a computer network built into the roads

And accidents will still happen.

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Zikten posted...

yea. I do have hopes for auto driving cars. but it won't truly work until all cars are auto. I don't know why they keep putting these self driving cars out on the road with normal traffic. what I envision is a world where all traffic is auto. and every single vehicle on the road is constantly communicating with everyone else on a computer network built into the roads

I've said something similar on other boards. They accidents won't lower much until all cars on the road are auto. Which probably won't happen for a while. And people will still hack the auto ones to do whatever they want. Not to mention, accidents will still happen. And pretty consistently. I do think it would be cool to see cars not stopping ever on road where traffic lights aren't needed. But that's it, really. If the world didn't make cars auto-drive, I'd still be fine... My life wouldn't really change or anything...
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Worth it tbh

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