Current Events > Vegan parents abuse baby with vegan diet, baby dies :(

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Some babies are even fed vegan breastmilk, its disgusting

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Why do TC's posts come off as irrational? Underaged, or unhinged?

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ThyCorndog posted...

Why do TC's posts come off as irrational? Underaged, or unhinged?

Its ROD. Dudes had like 20 alts that have all gotten banned over the past half-decade that he insists arent him despite everyone knowing otherwise. So probably both

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ASithLord7 posted...

Its ROD. Dudes had like 20 alts that have all gotten banned over the past half-decade that he insists arent him despite everyone knowing otherwise. So probably both

second time you call me ROD in 2 days, @ASithLord7 , and you know this is not true.

What's your beef with me? Why won't you leave me alone?

You must have a more productive use of your gamefaqs time than looking for posts where people refer to me to go like "HE IS ROOOODDDDD!!! TEH ROOOODDDDDD!!!! ROOOOOODDDDD!"

I am beyond weirded out. Is it because I refuse to survive on veggies and fruits?

ASithLord7 posted...

Some babies are even fed vegan breastmilk, its disgusting

lmao. They should only be fed liquified broccoli huh?

Coastal_elite posted...

lmao. They should only be fed liquified broccoli huh?

I think you missed the joke ROD

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More proof vegan diets don't work.

ThyCorndog posted...

A 5 month old baby was supposed to be fed meat? I thought babies needed milk

milk is meat. Meat being loosely defined as an animal product. Babies are as such natural born carnivores.

wittymillennial posted...

More proof vegan diets don't work.

milk is meat. Meat being loosely defined as an animal product. Babies are as such natural born carnivores.

Lmao what the actual fuck am I reading

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ASithLord7 posted...

I think you missed the joke ROD

3rd time in 2 days you call me ROD, lol.

I know you're just waiting for me to retaliate so you can go marky-marky as usual *yawns*

don't hate me for being able to enjoy a nice, juicy cheeseburger.

"I want my baby/pets to only eat a raw, healthy, vegan diet! It's what mother nature intended! The real abuse is forcing meat and dairy onto these innocent beings, and as a vegan I refuse to buy into the cruelty economy!"

*Surprised Pikachu face when their baby/pet starves to death*

That's a scenario I've seen a couple of times now. For some reason, neglecting something until it dies of malnutrition is justified by a vegan lifestyle. Better it die ethically pure than live life as a puppet of the meat industry.

The worst part is that this baby could have been fed from the mother's own body. Fuck, could they have outsourced a wet nurse if push came to shove? Fed her all the vegan stuff they wanted to pass on to the kid, and paid her for it? It could have been another vegan mother, even - have her feed two of them like a communal thing. Anything that would have prevented this child's death from neglect.

They could have eaten that food, popped a boob out and fed the baby that way. Was it a personal boundaries issue where the mother felt like breastfeeding was encroaching on her bodily autonomy? Does the issue lie in the dairy part of the equation? Like... what the fuck, you know? How do you fuck up feeding a baby that badly?

The big discourse 2-3 years ago was vegans feeding their cars and dogs vegan diets and those animals slowly starving to death because they weren't getting the essential nutrients they needed. Cats and dogs are omnivores - they can eat both, but both animals rely on enzymes and stuff from meat to properly digest food. But vegans kept championing these diets and maintaining that 12 years for a cat was a long, healthy life. Now I hear about it happening to their fucking children? Jesus fucking Christ.

Maybe instead of refusing to feed your offspring a diet they can physically digest, or refusing to provide a necessary nutrient for a pet's continued wellbeing, you could get a fucking rabbit or some shit that can actually survive on a vegan diet.

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ROD has been remaking and bumping this topic for like 6 months.

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Cats are obligate carnivores. Anyone feeding them a vegan diet is in denial of abusing their cat.

Ugh... this is getting way too out of hand. Shame folks are suffering.

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MrMallard posted...

"I want my baby/pets to only eat a raw, healthy, vegan diet! It's what mother nature intended! The real abuse is forcing meat and dairy onto these innocent beings, and as a vegan I refuse to buy into the cruelty economy!"

*Surprised Pikachu face when their baby/pet starves to death*

That's a scenario I've seen a couple of times now. For some reason, neglecting something until it dies of malnutrition is justified by a vegan lifestyle. Better it die ethically pure than live life as a puppet of the meat industry.

The worst part is that this baby could have been fed from the mother's own body. Fuck, could they have outsourced a wet nurse if push came to shove? Fed her all the vegan stuff they wanted to pass on to the kid, and paid her for it? It could have been another vegan mother, even - have her feed two of them like a communal thing. Anything that would have prevented this child's death from neglect.

They could have eaten that food, popped a boob out and fed the baby that way. Was it a personal boundaries issue where the mother felt like breastfeeding was encroaching on her bodily autonomy? Does the issue lie in the dairy part of the equation? Like... what the fuck, you know? How do you fuck up feeding a baby that badly?

The big discourse 2-3 years ago was vegans feeding their cars and dogs vegan diets and those animals slowly starving to death because they weren't getting the essential nutrients they needed. Cats and dogs are omnivores - they can eat both, but both animals rely on enzymes and stuff from meat to properly digest food. But vegans kept championing these diets and maintaining that 12 years for a cat was a long, healthy life. Now I hear about it happening to their fucking children? Jesus fucking Christ.

Maybe instead of refusing to feed your offspring a diet they can physically digest, or refusing to provide a necessary nutrient for a pet's continued wellbeing, you could get a fucking rabbit or some shit that can actually survive on a vegan diet.

*slow clap*

beautiful

I hate how egotistical people are. "We are x, and therefore, will only deal with x." You absolute dullards. Feeding your pet an all vegan diet is bad. Feeding your infant an all vegan diet is bad. You are bad.

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InTheEyesOfFire posted...

Cats are obligate carnivores. Anyone feeding them a vegan diet is in denial of abusing their cat.

Ugh... this is getting way too out of hand. Shame folks are suffering.

I mean they are already making their dogs vegan :(

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/made-dog-go-vegan-think-should/

Alucard188 posted...

I hate how egotistical people are. "We are x, and therefore, will only deal with x." You absolute dullards. Feeding your pet an all vegan diet is bad. Feeding your infant an all vegan diet is bad. You are bad.

agreed

Coastal_elite posted...

it depends. Vampire babies would need blood. werewolf babies milk. Pikachu babies apples and berries.

You should open a daycare.

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wittymillennial posted...

More proof vegan diets don't work.

milk is meat. Meat being loosely defined as an animal product. Babies are as such natural born carnivores.

All mammals drink milk as babies, even the herbivores. Literally no sane vegan thinks babies shouldn't drink milk. Human breast milk is considered vegan. It's when you take milk from other species that it's no longer vegan. Rabbits drink milk as babies as well. I guess rabbits are natural born carnivores now

Of course I'm probably responding to a troll account like the dumbass I am

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KINDERFELD posted...

You should open a daycare.

I dig this :D

ThyCorndog posted...

All mammals drink milk as babies, even the herbivores. Literally no sane vegan thinks babies shouldn't drink milk. Human breast milk is considered vegan. It's when you take milk from other species that it's no longer vegan. Rabbits drink milk as babies as well. I guess rabbits are natural born carnivores now

Of course I'm probably responding to a troll account like the dumbass I am

I feel vegans are changing the definition.

It was about what you're eating.

Vegan meant not eating anything of animal origin. And it was because of ethic and health (supposed) benefits.

Now it's supposed to be about whether an animal was disturbed while obtaining the food and it's only because of ethics.

Coastal_elite posted...

I feel vegans are changing the definition.

It was about what you're eating.

Vegan meant not eating anything of animal origin. And it was because of ethic and health (supposed) benefits.

Now it's supposed to be about whether an animal was disturbed while obtaining the food and it's only because of ethics.

And how does that change whether human breast milk is vegan or not, when it's being consensually given by the mother?

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ThyCorndog posted...

And how does that change whether human breast milk is vegan or not, when it's being consensually given by the mother?

eeerrr humans are animals?

Coastal_elite posted...

eeerrr humans are animals?

Humans can consent. Other animals can't. That's why humans can have sex with each other, but doing so with other animals is unethical. How old are you?

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ThyCorndog posted...

Humans can consent. Other animals can't. That's why humans can have sex with each other, but doing so with other animals is unethical. How old are you?

He's ROD years old.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

He's ROD years old.

I don't see you as block-worthy yet. Stop that shit or I won't have any option but to block you

ThyCorndog posted...

Humans can consent. Other animals can't. That's why humans can have sex with each other, but doing so with other animals is unethical. How old are you?

What does consent have to do with whether a specific thing is from animal origin or not?

Coastal_elite posted...

What does consent have to do with whether a specific thing is from animal origin or not?

Veganism is a set of ethical principles. It's not just a diet. A vegan diet can just be called plant-based. Without the ethics, there is no veganism. The consent is a big part of it. You should probably do the smart thing and only engage in topics you have more than a vague surface familiarity with. I know this is CE and everything, so that's a tough ask

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ThyCorndog posted...

Veganism is a set of ethical principles. It's not just a diet. A vegan diet can just be called plant-based. Without the ethics, there is no veganism. The consent is a big part of it. You should probably do the smart thing and only engage in topics you have more than a vague surface familiarity with. I know this is CE and everything, so that's a tough ask

We're going in circles, this goes back to my point: They changed the meaning of the word.

It was a diet. It was about (supposed) health benefits and whatnot. Now they changed the meaning to add some almost metaphysical dimension to it... now it's about consent and disturbance. I'm not saying it's wrong, I am saying they changed the definition.

On that line, if I decided to eat animals who just died, from old age or other natural causes (e.g. a cow accidentally falls of a cliff and dies, or a boulder falls on it after an earthquake, looney tunes cartoon style) then I could be a vegan too? What if I am discover that if I yawn next to a specific pond a bunch of flies will fly into my mouth, and feed from them is that vegan?

Coastal_elite posted...

I dig this :D

I'd have kids solely so they could attend your daycare.



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Sounds like the problem was not that the baby had a vegan based diet and more that the parents did not cater to its basic nutritional requirements among other things

But won't stop CE from getting in a good old fashioned vegan circlejerk I guess!

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MrMallard posted...

For some reason, neglecting something until it dies of malnutrition is justified by a vegan lifestyle.

It's not though. Veganism is refraining from all animal exploitation, in all aspects of life instead of just diet, as far as is possible and practicable.

There are caveats, gray zones, and compromises, and the point of veganism is to minimize the frequency and severity of them, striving to do progressively better and enable others to do the same, but never to outright ignore them to the point of a child dying. This idea that it's total purity and abstinence from all animal products in all situations all the time is not what veganism is about and anyone who thinks so has a fundamental misunderstanding of it.

The fact is, these people were not fit to be parents - period - and that resulted in the implementation of some twisted version of a "technically vegan" diet. And that's usually how these stories go. They're some spacey types who don't breastfeed their child (which is fine, it's not always possible/feasible to breastfeed) but then they put the baby on some needlessly restrictive diet lacking in both energy and nutrients, inevitably hit health problems, and ultimately reject medical advice until the baby dies.

Veganism isn't the problem here because there are lots of lifelong vegans and people currently raising healthy, thriving vegan children from birth. Major health organizations approve of proper vegan diets for all stages of life, including pregnancy and infancy. That doesn't get attention though, for whatever reason.


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pinky0926 posted...

Sounds like the problem was not that the baby had a vegan based diet and more that the parents did not cater to its basic nutritional requirements among other things

But won't stop CE from getting in a good old fashioned vegan circlejerk I guess!

Don't get me wrong, I think full grown adults can live a healthy (but terribly boring) existence if they're super careful and diligent with their vegan diets (although some say it may make some people cranky, but it's not been studied enough).

But I do think that babies and growing kids and pets (dogs/cats) need a complete nutrition, which does include certain amounts of meat from time to time.

Pseudomenon posted...

Major health organizations approve of proper vegan diets for all stages of life, including pregnancy and infancy.

citation needed

Coastal_elite posted...

We're going in circles, this goes back to my point: They changed the meaning of the word.

It was a diet. It was about (supposed) health benefits and whatnot. Now they changed the meaning to add some almost metaphysical dimension to it... now it's about consent and disturbance. I'm not saying it's wrong, I am saying they changed the definition.

On that line, if I decided to eat animals who just died, from old age or other natural causes (e.g. a cow accidentally falls of a cliff and dies, or a boulder falls on it after an earthquake, looney tunes cartoon style) then I could be a vegan too? What if I am discover that if I yawn next to a specific pond a bunch of flies will fly into my mouth, and feed from them is that vegan?

Abstinence from eating animals and their secretions has existed for thousands of years in some form or another, be it for ethical, spiritual, environmental, or health reasons, but the Vegan Society and the term vegan were only created about 80 years ago and the definition has changed some in that time.

The earliest definitions included the broad terms of "animal exploitation" as well as specific abuses that extended beyond diet. It was inherently an animal rights movement, not just diet. Following a plant-based diet can be a part of veganism but it is not in and of itself veganism. Health and environment are just other aspects that dovetail with it (quite spectacularly) but they are not the primary goal of veganism.

As for roadkill and other naturally deceased animals, that's a line that someone would have to draw for themselves. I personally wouldn't consider one vegan for unnecessarily eating any animal for any reason but it's not like I would wag my finger at them and chastise them.

As for the flies by a pond, that's actually kinda funny because I go running by a creek that is stagnant at times and absolutely swarmed by little flying bugs, so I started taking the flimsy little ventilator mask I wear for painting because they were getting in my nose. Aside from having a gross swarm of bugs in my nose, it did seem kind of fucked up to me because I have a bit of a complex about the Fermi paradox.


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ITT I learned that plants can consent but animals cannot and Veganism is about what you could consensually have sex with.

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Did the baby consent to being forcefed a vegan diet? Parents shouldnt be allowed to make these types of decisions that negatively affect the health of their children.

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Coastal_elite posted...

citation needed

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

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Corrik7 posted...

ITT I learned that plants can consent but animals cannot and Veganism is about what you could consensually have sex with.

sounds like you can't read or really think for that matter. might be missing some key nutrients from vegetables

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Other animals can try obtaining sentience if they don't want to be used by humans. Bootstraps

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ThyCorndog posted...

sounds like you can't read or really think for that matter. might be missing some key nutrients from vegetables

I had to refrain from vegetables. They didn't consent.

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ThyCorndog posted...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

for babies, though?

ThyCorndog posted...

sounds like you can't read or really think for that matter. might be missing some key nutrients from vegetables

IMO a purely carnivore diet for humans is even more stupid than a vegan diet.

We're omnivores.

Coastal_elite posted...

for babies, though?

I've already explained a baby diet is naturally vegan.

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Coastal_elite posted...

They are the latest Florida vegan couple to starve or nearly-starve their child.

Absolutely disgusting

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I've already explained a baby diet is naturally vegan.

You don't go from breast feeding baby to grown man, you can still be a baby and NOT of breast feeding age.

You can also be a toddler, who is NOT an adult, I am dead serious :O

Maybe you should eat some meat..

Coastal_elite posted...

You don't go from breast feeding baby to grown man, you can still be a baby and NOT of breast feeding age.

You can also be a toddler, who is NOT an adult, I am dead serious :O

Maybe you should eat some meat..

At some point you can start eating meat. The first few months are basically all just breast milk and mashed up vegetables / fruits. Nothing says you have to start eating meat ASAP.

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Corrik7 posted...

ITT I learned that plants can consent but animals cannot and Veganism is about what you could consensually have sex with.

lol

Tyranthraxus posted...

At some point you can start eating meat. The first few months are basically all just breast milk and mashed up vegetables / fruits. Nothing says you have to start eating meat ASAP.

.. ok? Who is disagreeing with that?

You said a baby's diet is naturally vegan. If it has meat it is not vegan