Current Events > Why does the ******* Electoral College still exist?

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I cannot take a candidate seriously until they address this bull **** upfront srs

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Because America hates democracy

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Because without it most states don't even matter in the elections

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It helps Republicans win.
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Irony posted...

Because without it most states don't even matter in the elections

Because people believe this bullshit.

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Because states with less people should matter more than the states where mostly everybody lives.

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Irony posted...

Because without it most states don't even matter in the elections

I'm sure those conservatives in California and liberals in Texas are really happy their vote doesn't matter so a handful of small states can be the only ones that matter every election.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'm sure those conservatives in California and liberals in Texas are really happy their vote doesn't matter so a handful of small states can be the only ones that matter every election.

They aren't

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Bananana posted...

Because people believe this bullshit.

Tell me what reason a presidential candidate would have to visit a small state like Maine if the Electoral College didn't exit.

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Because it's in the Constitution and smaller states/swing states are never going to get rid of it
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This kid in my Masters program (I'm working on my Masters in Political Science) is CONSTANTLY defending it and literally straight up doesn't understand why I am against it. I literally hate him.

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Irony posted...

They aren't

You're right. All these solid blue and red states might turn purple once or twice a century.

At least every American doesn't have a vote that counts equal to everyone else's. It would be bad for the Midwest hivemind if the California and New York hiveminds voted.

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The questions is why people are dumb enough to think their vote matters. It doesn't matter who is President, they're all horrible people

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Bad_Mojo posted...

The questions is why people are dumb enough to think their vote matters. It doesn't matter who is President, they're all horrible people

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If you read Federalist 10, it's literally because they didn't want a "tyranny of the majority" over our rich capitalist overlords. Not a joke, look it up.

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The founding fathers had very long thought processes and philosophies about tyranny of the majority and tyranny of the minority. They came up with the electorial college as a safety feature. It's not a perfect system, but it's help have a 'more perfect union'

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

The founding fathers had very long thought processes and philosophies about tyranny of the majority and tyranny of the minority. They came up with the electorial college as a safety feature. It's not a perfect system, but it's help have a 'more perfect union'

Doesn't change the fact that they're all scumbags that will not do a single thing to help you out. They will only help the people that got them the win, the other 1% and war lobbyists, even more horrible people

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Its not about fairness. Its about catering to the rural hicks.


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Bad_Mojo posted...

Doesn't change the fact that they're all scumbags that will not do a single thing to help you out. They will only help the people that got them the win, the other 1% and war lobbyists, even more horrible people

Okie dokie

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

The founding fathers had very long thought processes and philosophies about tyranny of the majority and tyranny of the minority. They came up with the electorial college as a safety feature. It's not a perfect system, but it's help have a 'more perfect union'

Perfection doesn't exist, so who gives a fuck? If the majority votes in a failure, so be it. It's not like every other elected position would magically disappear if we voted on the President with democracy. There'd be plenty of other positions you could elect people to between Presidential terms. Besides, there are systems like ranked-choice voting that could make the eventual winner a bit more palatable to the masses

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hockeybub89 posted...

Perfection doesn't exist, so who gives a fuck? If the majority votes in a failure, so be it. It's not like every other elected position would magically disappear if we voted on the President with democracy. There'd be plenty of other positions you could elect people to between Presidential terms. Besides, there are systems like ranked-choice voting that could make the eventual winner a bit more palatable to the masses

Because getting to as close to perfection is best... They use the language very intentionally and is why they don't flat out say 'perfect'.

I do like the rank based voting stuff. Seems smart

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Phantom_Nook posted...

It helps Republicans win.

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

The founding fathers had very long thought processes and philosophies about tyranny of the majority and tyranny of the minority. They came up with the electorial college as a safety feature. It's not a perfect system, but it's help have a 'more perfect union'

It's definitely a much better idea than the popular vote. If the popular vote was the system than only coastal states would even matter in a presidential election. You can not like it all you want but, it's not going to change TC.
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We are called the United States of America. The answer to TC's question is in our country's name. Each state has their own interests and responsibilities for choosing who they see fit to run the country.

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crazyman32 posted...

It's definitely a much better idea than the popular vote. If the popular vote was the system than only coastal states would even matter in a presidential election. You can not like it all you want but, it's not going to change TC.

Meanwhile, the smaller, redder states have a disproportionately larger amount of the voting power.

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no one gives a shit about flyover states

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Delirious_Beard posted...

no one gives a shit about flyover states

This is obviously false.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Meanwhile, the smaller, redder states have a disproportionately larger amount of the voting power.

Presidential candidates wouldn't visit them at all if we got rid of it though.

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Irony posted...

Because without it most states don't even matter in the elections

You need to explain how 'one person one vote' isn't a fairer means of deciding who runs your country.

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Why the fuck would you want to live in California? The wealth gap alone. Millionaire's vs people literally shitting on the street.

The homeless crisis on the west coast should answer it all. And guess which party runs it.

muchdran posted...

The homeless crisis on the west coast should answer it all. And guess which party runs it.

It is terrible what is happening over there. The middle class are the ones getting screwed big time. Regulations, permits, etc. aren't enforced for illegals/homeless selling food or flowers and one street over the cops are writing tickets to soccer moms driving 8 miles over the speed limit. The laws only apply to people who have a check book and can pay up for "fines". The rest is ignored. And of course if you're super rich it doesn't matter if you get a small fine or violation.

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to keep it fair

Kaiganeer posted...

to keep it fair

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Irony posted...

Because without it most states don't even matter in the elections

Land isn't people.

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They already addressed this in middle school. Open a civics book sometime, it's only a fundamental mechanism of our representative republic.

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Becuase it works, and one measly election you didnt agree with doeasnt that.

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Governments subside on deception and false promise. You have the power! (unless we section off areas that give us greater power...chump).

Kolibri X posted...

They already addressed this in middle school. Open a civics book sometime, it's only a fundamental mechanism of our representative republic.

How does this help the conversation in any way? You sound like you not only have nothing to add, but don't even understand what's being discussed. Not saying that's true, just what I gather from your statement.

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008Zulu posted...

You need to explain how 'one person one vote' isn't a fairer means of deciding who runs your country.

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It exists because the people in a position to change it say it should. That's the reason, no more no less.

You can be on one side or the other, but the people that control things only care about staying there. They want their power.

Until that changes, they have no incentive to help

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muchdran posted...

The homeless crisis on the west coast should answer it all. And guess which party runs it.

Explain the low education and poverty rates of the southern states (such as Alabama and Mississippi), then.

The-Apostle posted...

Presidential candidates wouldn't visit them at all if we got rid of it though.

So it's fine to have those states have more of a say?

Prismsblade posted...

Becuase it works, and one measly election you didnt agree with doeasnt that.

Note that before he won, Trump was completely in favor of removing the Electoral College. Turns out, the EC is the only reason he won.


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The-Apostle posted...

Presidential candidates wouldn't visit them at all if we got rid of it though.

they already dont anyway

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Kolibri X posted...

They already addressed this in middle school. Open a civics book sometime, it's only a fundamental mechanism of our representative republic.

read the title topic

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All of the people bitching about it wouldn't be if Hillary didn't lose. This is hilarious

I love how CE is full of people who scream all the time about democracy, being for the little people and antifacism while constantly saying that the south and midwest shouldn't have a say, sometimes shouldn't even be allowed to vote, mostly because they're uneducated and beneath them.

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VilliscaMurders posted...

All of the people bitching about it wouldn't be if Hillary didn't lose. This is hilarious

This

KillerSlaw posted...

I love how CE is full of people who scream all the time about democracy, being for the little people and antifacism while constantly saying that the south and midwest shouldn't have a say, sometimes shouldn't even be allowed to vote, mostly because they're uneducated and beneath them.

Also this.

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Because politicians want you to believe that your in a democracy.

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VilliscaMurders posted...

All of the people bitching about it wouldn't be if Hillary didn't lose. This is hilarious

Solar_Crimson posted...

Note that before he won, Trump was completely in favor of removing the Electoral College.

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Wouldn't some smaller states lose power in votes if we didn't have the electoral college?

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